Peer Masking as a Reasonable Accommodation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You guys are more into arguing the age old game of simply masking or not. Something was said months ago and it came across as friendly and considerate for everyone. It's really not as big of a deal as you like to think it is.

Mask mandates during a general public health crisis - absolutely.
Mask mandates to accommodate one individual who has greater risks if contracting certain diseases - absolutely not.

Well you aren't hearing about schools or classes having to wear masks now are you?

We’re not in a public health crisis anymore. There's just a handful of people that forgot it is normal to get sick.

Is it normal for people to die in the numbers they are? Yes, its a public health crisis, especially with RSV right now.

RSV peaked a month ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You guys are more into arguing the age old game of simply masking or not. Something was said months ago and it came across as friendly and considerate for everyone. It's really not as big of a deal as you like to think it is.

Mask mandates during a general public health crisis - absolutely.
Mask mandates to accommodate one individual who has greater risks if contracting certain diseases - absolutely not.

Well you aren't hearing about schools or classes having to wear masks now are you?

We’re not in a public health crisis anymore. There's just a handful of people that forgot it is normal to get sick.

Is it normal for people to die in the numbers they are? Yes, its a public health crisis, especially with RSV right now.

The current numbers? Yes, this is normal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read all the comments, so maybe this has been discussed. I think it would be reasonable BUT it would open a whole can of worms for parents to ask for accommodations that require actions by other peers in school, which is something we just can’t do. School administrators are constantly having to deny reasonable requests by reasonable parents because they’d be opening themselves up to unreasonable requests from unreasonable parents. Over my years in special education I’ve had parents want accommodations requiring other students to sit with their children at lunch, to not sing Happy Birthday, to not speak a foreign language, to not bring foods the child is not allowed to school ( not allergy related), and so, so much more. And these are not parents you can explain things to. And this is not even mentioning the unreasonable parents who would be upset that their child had to mask.

Schools have to field requests for accommodations all the time, some are off the wall and some are very needed. There's a process for it. But you are legally wrong that schools can't require actions by other peers in school.

By your logic we should get rid of all disability laws cuz they open up a can of worms.

I can’t think of any other accomodation that requires every kid to wear something/do something.

Well it sounds like you are not a lawyer.

You can take a CLE

I am a lawyer and I am very interested to hear what accomodation requires other people to wear something they haven’t chosen on their bodies. Because if it can happen in schools it could happen in the workplace.

Are you a disability lawyer? If so, you should already know this.

Please enlighten me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are more into arguing the age old game of simply masking or not. Something was said months ago and it came across as friendly and considerate for everyone. It's really not as big of a deal as you like to think it is.

Mask mandates during a general public health crisis - absolutely.
Mask mandates to accommodate one individual who has greater risks if contracting certain diseases - absolutely not.

Well you aren't hearing about schools or classes having to wear masks now are you?

We’re not in a public health crisis anymore. There's just a handful of people that forgot it is normal to get sick.

It's normal for hospitals to be out of pediatric beds and for pediatricians to have no appointments? Your denialism is very strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read all the comments, so maybe this has been discussed. I think it would be reasonable BUT it would open a whole can of worms for parents to ask for accommodations that require actions by other peers in school, which is something we just can’t do. School administrators are constantly having to deny reasonable requests by reasonable parents because they’d be opening themselves up to unreasonable requests from unreasonable parents. Over my years in special education I’ve had parents want accommodations requiring other students to sit with their children at lunch, to not sing Happy Birthday, to not speak a foreign language, to not bring foods the child is not allowed to school ( not allergy related), and so, so much more. And these are not parents you can explain things to. And this is not even mentioning the unreasonable parents who would be upset that their child had to mask.

Schools have to field requests for accommodations all the time, some are off the wall and some are very needed. There's a process for it. But you are legally wrong that schools can't require actions by other peers in school.

By your logic we should get rid of all disability laws cuz they open up a can of worms.

I can’t think of any other accomodation that requires every kid to wear something/do something.

Well it sounds like you are not a lawyer.

I am a lawyer and I am very interested to hear what accomodation requires other people to wear something they haven’t chosen on their bodies. Because if it can happen in schools it could happen in the workplace.

Are you a disability lawyer? If so, you should already know this.

Please enlighten me.

You didn't answer my question but you can take a CLE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are more into arguing the age old game of simply masking or not. Something was said months ago and it came across as friendly and considerate for everyone. It's really not as big of a deal as you like to think it is.

Mask mandates during a general public health crisis - absolutely.
Mask mandates to accommodate one individual who has greater risks if contracting certain diseases - absolutely not.

Well you aren't hearing about schools or classes having to wear masks now are you?

We’re not in a public health crisis anymore. There's just a handful of people that forgot it is normal to get sick.

It's normal for hospitals to be out of pediatric beds and for pediatricians to have no appointments? Your denialism is very strong.

Welcome to cold/flu season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read all the comments, so maybe this has been discussed. I think it would be reasonable BUT it would open a whole can of worms for parents to ask for accommodations that require actions by other peers in school, which is something we just can’t do. School administrators are constantly having to deny reasonable requests by reasonable parents because they’d be opening themselves up to unreasonable requests from unreasonable parents. Over my years in special education I’ve had parents want accommodations requiring other students to sit with their children at lunch, to not sing Happy Birthday, to not speak a foreign language, to not bring foods the child is not allowed to school ( not allergy related), and so, so much more. And these are not parents you can explain things to. And this is not even mentioning the unreasonable parents who would be upset that their child had to mask.

Schools have to field requests for accommodations all the time, some are off the wall and some are very needed. There's a process for it. But you are legally wrong that schools can't require actions by other peers in school.

By your logic we should get rid of all disability laws cuz they open up a can of worms.

I can’t think of any other accomodation that requires every kid to wear something/do something.

Well it sounds like you are not a lawyer.

I am a lawyer and I am very interested to hear what accomodation requires other people to wear something they haven’t chosen on their bodies. Because if it can happen in schools it could happen in the workplace.

Are you a disability lawyer? If so, you should already know this.

DP. I’m not a disability lawyer, but I am a manager. I've never seen this, either, so I'm really curious to read an example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are more into arguing the age old game of simply masking or not. Something was said months ago and it came across as friendly and considerate for everyone. It's really not as big of a deal as you like to think it is.

Mask mandates during a general public health crisis - absolutely.
Mask mandates to accommodate one individual who has greater risks if contracting certain diseases - absolutely not.

Well you aren't hearing about schools or classes having to wear masks now are you?

We’re not in a public health crisis anymore. There's just a handful of people that forgot it is normal to get sick.

It's normal for hospitals to be out of pediatric beds and for pediatricians to have no appointments? Your denialism is very strong.

It is completely normal for hospitals to operate at or near capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are more into arguing the age old game of simply masking or not. Something was said months ago and it came across as friendly and considerate for everyone. It's really not as big of a deal as you like to think it is.

Mask mandates during a general public health crisis - absolutely.
Mask mandates to accommodate one individual who has greater risks if contracting certain diseases - absolutely not.

Well you aren't hearing about schools or classes having to wear masks now are you?

We’re not in a public health crisis anymore. There's just a handful of people that forgot it is normal to get sick.

It's normal for hospitals to be out of pediatric beds and for pediatricians to have no appointments? Your denialism is very strong.

It is completely normal for hospitals to operate at or near capacity.

Plus I thought the Daily did an episode on how hospitals moved away from Ped beds over Covid and so this is part of the issue now that things are closer to normal for kids again. More a function of the hospitals having altered their supply side vs the sick demand side being off the charts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys are more into arguing the age old game of simply masking or not. Something was said months ago and it came across as friendly and considerate for everyone. It's really not as big of a deal as you like to think it is.

Mask mandates during a general public health crisis - absolutely.
Mask mandates to accommodate one individual who has greater risks if contracting certain diseases - absolutely not.

Well you aren't hearing about schools or classes having to wear masks now are you?

We’re not in a public health crisis anymore. There's just a handful of people that forgot it is normal to get sick.

It's normal for hospitals to be out of pediatric beds and for pediatricians to have no appointments? Your denialism is very strong.

We switched each of our kids to a concierge doctor when they got to kindergarten because appointments were a pain. That’s always been normal in our experience. That was the earliest we could do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read all the comments, so maybe this has been discussed. I think it would be reasonable BUT it would open a whole can of worms for parents to ask for accommodations that require actions by other peers in school, which is something we just can’t do. School administrators are constantly having to deny reasonable requests by reasonable parents because they’d be opening themselves up to unreasonable requests from unreasonable parents. Over my years in special education I’ve had parents want accommodations requiring other students to sit with their children at lunch, to not sing Happy Birthday, to not speak a foreign language, to not bring foods the child is not allowed to school ( not allergy related), and so, so much more. And these are not parents you can explain things to. And this is not even mentioning the unreasonable parents who would be upset that their child had to mask.

Schools have to field requests for accommodations all the time, some are off the wall and some are very needed. There's a process for it. But you are legally wrong that schools can't require actions by other peers in school.

By your logic we should get rid of all disability laws cuz they open up a can of worms.

I can’t think of any other accomodation that requires every kid to wear something/do something.

Well it sounds like you are not a lawyer.

I am a lawyer and I am very interested to hear what accomodation requires other people to wear something they haven’t chosen on their bodies. Because if it can happen in schools it could happen in the workplace.

Are you a disability lawyer? If so, you should already know this.

DP. I’m not a disability lawyer, but I am a manager. I've never seen this, either, so I'm really curious to read an example.

NP and thoroughly confused by this thread. If an employer wants an employee to wear something, they can require that, absent some meaningful reason that can't be done. Employment at will. The accommodation side of it is beside the point and isn't the direct source of the obligation on the employee to wear something. It's the employer's call, even if that directive was prompted by the accommodation piece.