Bike Lobby and Dishonesty

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Huh? If there's a bike lane on a block a bicyclist is on then why don't they have to use it?

They might need to turn in a way the bike lane isn't condusive to. They might be in a mood. Their might be a car parked in the bike lane, blocking it.

Then why are we spending money to build them if the very people that demand them don't use them because they might be "in a mood"?

The entire bike lane project is a boondoggle. The city has spend BILLIONS on bike infrastructure -- infrastructure that's maybe used by a 1,000 people. The cost per user is astronomical and indefensible. It would be cheaper to pay every biker in D.C. $100,000 to just take the bus.

D.C. has one of the highest childhood poverty rates in the country, and yet we have billions in public money to subsidize the hobby of white guys from Ward 3.

Oh, yes, definitely every single person who's ever ridden a bike in D.C. is a white guy from Ward 3.

The white guys from Ward 3 load their bikes up onto their fancy cars and drive out to Maryland to ride, they don't use the bike lanes in D.C.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:RIP to the two cyclists who died recently. The state department woman was a great person. What a loss. I live in Shaw near whether the other cyclist died. As a mom and a driver, I just hope that parents who think it’s safe and cool to ride with their kids in trailers and baby seats on their bike will think twice. I rode bikes downtown with my kids during the pandemic when the streets were mostly empty, but it’s not safe most of the time, especially at rush hour. One mistake by a car and the unthinkable will happen again. Ok if adults take risks, but please don’t put your kids on the line. Also, I hope all the scooter people will take note. So many near accidents every day.

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You have to be insane to allow a child on a bike in Washington D.C. It is really, really dangerous.

Yes, and the whole goal of the nefarious bike lobby is to... make it safer! Those evil bastards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Huh? If there's a bike lane on a block a bicyclist is on then why don't they have to use it?

They might need to turn in a way the bike lane isn't condusive to. They might be in a mood. Their might be a car parked in the bike lane, blocking it.

Then why are we spending money to build them if the very people that demand them don't use them because they might be "in a mood"?

Because good urban design accounts for human imperfections.

But if nobody uses them then it's by definition bad urban design because it's an inefficient use of space and has not aeethetic value

This "nobody uses them" line is just invented out of nowhere. I'm never the only person on a bike in a given block of protected bike lane, nor usually on any given block of street without a bike lane. And when I'm driving, I constantly see people on bikes, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:RIP to the two cyclists who died recently. The state department woman was a great person. What a loss. I live in Shaw near whether the other cyclist died. As a mom and a driver, I just hope that parents who think it’s safe and cool to ride with their kids in trailers and baby seats on their bike will think twice. I rode bikes downtown with my kids during the pandemic when the streets were mostly empty, but it’s not safe most of the time, especially at rush hour. One mistake by a car and the unthinkable will happen again. Ok if adults take risks, but please don’t put your kids on the line. Also, I hope all the scooter people will take note. So many near accidents every day.

+1

You have to be insane to allow a child on a bike in Washington D.C. It is really, really dangerous.

Yes, and the whole goal of the nefarious bike lobby is to... make it safer! Those evil bastards.

Good luck with that. Maybe when you're done, you can also figure out a way to make boxing safe, to make football safe and to make assault rifles safe too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thread man. Some of you have weird angst against bikers and I get it, some are loud and aggressive but guess what: they’re behavior won’t kill you. Some of the people are taking victory laps in the form of concern trolling for Ms. o’donnells death and it’s absolutely gross. Look at how the OP framed this thread. It’s honestly disgusting.

Nothing to say about the people trying to intentionally spread misinformation about this poor woman’s death in order to promote a political agenda? I think that’s pretty disgusting too and it’s in keeping with the nature of this thread for someone to come in with a shame on all of you except me post.

Have you read the title of this thread? Some of you are so triggered by bikers that OP felt the need to write a preemptive strike about the evil bike lobby. As a human, I don’t think that’s appropriate in any way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Huh? If there's a bike lane on a block a bicyclist is on then why don't they have to use it?

They might need to turn in a way the bike lane isn't condusive to. They might be in a mood. Their might be a car parked in the bike lane, blocking it.

Then why are we spending money to build them if the very people that demand them don't use them because they might be "in a mood"?

Because good urban design accounts for human imperfections.

But if nobody uses them then it's by definition bad urban design because it's an inefficient use of space and has not aeethetic value

This "nobody uses them" line is just invented out of nowhere. I'm never the only person on a bike in a given block of protected bike lane, nor usually on any given block of street without a bike lane. And when I'm driving, I constantly see people on bikes, too.

There are bike lanes that I've *never* seen anyone use. The number of cyclists in this city is hilariously small.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:RIP to the two cyclists who died recently. The state department woman was a great person. What a loss. I live in Shaw near whether the other cyclist died. As a mom and a driver, I just hope that parents who think it’s safe and cool to ride with their kids in trailers and baby seats on their bike will think twice. I rode bikes downtown with my kids during the pandemic when the streets were mostly empty, but it’s not safe most of the time, especially at rush hour. One mistake by a car and the unthinkable will happen again. Ok if adults take risks, but please don’t put your kids on the line. Also, I hope all the scooter people will take note. So many near accidents every day.

+1

You have to be insane to allow a child on a bike in Washington D.C. It is really, really dangerous.

Yes, and the whole goal of the nefarious bike lobby is to... make it safer! Those evil bastards.

Good luck with that. Maybe when you're done, you can also figure out a way to make boxing safe, to make football safe and to make assault rifles safe too.

DP but whatever, bike lanes are going to continue to be built and expanded because their positives far outweigh their negatives. Your false equivalences comparing a method of commuting to recreation activities and deadly weapons (a car is much more analogous to an assault rifle in the damage it can do) aren’t winning arguments. You’ve already lost and I’ll keep biking my way to work as more and more lanes get put in for my safe travel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Huh? If there's a bike lane on a block a bicyclist is on then why don't they have to use it?

They might need to turn in a way the bike lane isn't condusive to. They might be in a mood. Their might be a car parked in the bike lane, blocking it.

Then why are we spending money to build them if the very people that demand them don't use them because they might be "in a mood"?

Because good urban design accounts for human imperfections.

But if nobody uses them then it's by definition bad urban design because it's an inefficient use of space and has not aeethetic value

This "nobody uses them" line is just invented out of nowhere. I'm never the only person on a bike in a given block of protected bike lane, nor usually on any given block of street without a bike lane. And when I'm driving, I constantly see people on bikes, too.

There are bike lanes that I've *never* seen anyone use. The number of cyclists in this city is hilariously small.

How humiliating for you that this hilariously small number keeps pwning you on policy decisions then. Hilariously dominating you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:RIP to the two cyclists who died recently. The state department woman was a great person. What a loss. I live in Shaw near whether the other cyclist died. As a mom and a driver, I just hope that parents who think it’s safe and cool to ride with their kids in trailers and baby seats on their bike will think twice. I rode bikes downtown with my kids during the pandemic when the streets were mostly empty, but it’s not safe most of the time, especially at rush hour. One mistake by a car and the unthinkable will happen again. Ok if adults take risks, but please don’t put your kids on the line. Also, I hope all the scooter people will take note. So many near accidents every day.

+1

You have to be insane to allow a child on a bike in Washington D.C. It is really, really dangerous.

Yes, and the whole goal of the nefarious bike lobby is to... make it safer! Those evil bastards.

Good luck with that. Maybe when you're done, you can also figure out a way to make boxing safe, to make football safe and to make assault rifles safe too.

DP but whatever, bike lanes are going to continue to be built and expanded because their positives far outweigh their negatives. Your false equivalences comparing a method of commuting to recreation activities and deadly weapons (a car is much more analogous to an assault rifle in the damage it can do) aren’t winning arguments. You’ve already lost and I’ll keep biking my way to work as more and more lanes get put in for my safe travel

Some things are just inherently really dangerous -- guns, boxing, riding a bike in a major city -- and there's nothing anyone can do about this. Common sense will tell you this. It would be better if cyclists weren't such incredible crybabies and just took responsibility for the risks they choose to run. It's not the government's job to protect you from hurting yourself while doing something stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RIP to the two cyclists who died recently. The state department woman was a great person. What a loss. I live in Shaw near whether the other cyclist died. As a mom and a driver, I just hope that parents who think it’s safe and cool to ride with their kids in trailers and baby seats on their bike will think twice. I rode bikes downtown with my kids during the pandemic when the streets were mostly empty, but it’s not safe most of the time, especially at rush hour. One mistake by a car and the unthinkable will happen again. Ok if adults take risks, but please don’t put your kids on the line. Also, I hope all the scooter people will take note. So many near accidents every day.

+1

You have to be insane to allow a child on a bike in Washington D.C. It is really, really dangerous.

Yes, and the whole goal of the nefarious bike lobby is to... make it safer! Those evil bastards.

Good luck with that. Maybe when you're done, you can also figure out a way to make boxing safe, to make football safe and to make assault rifles safe too.

DP but whatever, bike lanes are going to continue to be built and expanded because their positives far outweigh their negatives. Your false equivalences comparing a method of commuting to recreation activities and deadly weapons (a car is much more analogous to an assault rifle in the damage it can do) aren’t winning arguments. You’ve already lost and I’ll keep biking my way to work as more and more lanes get put in for my safe travel

Some things are just inherently really dangerous -- guns, boxing, riding a bike in a major city -- and there's nothing anyone can do about this. Common sense will tell you this. It would be better if cyclists weren't such incredible crybabies and just took responsibility for the risks they choose to run. It's not the government's job to protect you from hurting yourself while doing something stupid.

My dude or dudette. You just said assault rifles are the same as biking in a major city. I want whatever you put in your coffee this morning. I think I’m in love with you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Huh? If there's a bike lane on a block a bicyclist is on then why don't they have to use it?

They might need to turn in a way the bike lane isn't condusive to. They might be in a mood. Their might be a car parked in the bike lane, blocking it.

Then why are we spending money to build them if the very people that demand them don't use them because they might be "in a mood"?

Because good urban design accounts for human imperfections.

But if nobody uses them then it's by definition bad urban design because it's an inefficient use of space and has not aeethetic value

This "nobody uses them" line is just invented out of nowhere. I'm never the only person on a bike in a given block of protected bike lane, nor usually on any given block of street without a bike lane. And when I'm driving, I constantly see people on bikes, too.

There are bike lanes that I've *never* seen anyone use. The number of cyclists in this city is hilariously small.

How humiliating for you that this hilariously small number keeps pwning you on policy decisions then. Hilariously dominating you[/quote]

This is a very weird response. It's not exactly news that our government sometimes gets captured by stupid little special interest groups. Ever heard of the NRA? Most people, except for you I guess, don't consider that a good thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Huh? If there's a bike lane on a block a bicyclist is on then why don't they have to use it?

They might need to turn in a way the bike lane isn't condusive to. They might be in a mood. Their might be a car parked in the bike lane, blocking it.

Then why are we spending money to build them if the very people that demand them don't use them because they might be "in a mood"?

Because good urban design accounts for human imperfections.

But if nobody uses them then it's by definition bad urban design because it's an inefficient use of space and has not aeethetic value

This "nobody uses them" line is just invented out of nowhere. I'm never the only person on a bike in a given block of protected bike lane, nor usually on any given block of street without a bike lane. And when I'm driving, I constantly see people on bikes, too.

There are bike lanes that I've *never* seen anyone use. The number of cyclists in this city is hilariously small.

How humiliating for you that this hilariously small number keeps pwning you on policy decisions then. Hilariously dominating you[/quote]

This is a very weird response. It's not exactly news that our government sometimes gets captured by stupid little special interest groups. Ever heard of the NRA? Most people, except for you I guess, don't consider that a good thing.

Do something about it. I thought we were the ones who were supposed to be the crybabies but you’re out here sobbing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:RIP to the two cyclists who died recently. The state department woman was a great person. What a loss. I live in Shaw near whether the other cyclist died. As a mom and a driver, I just hope that parents who think it’s safe and cool to ride with their kids in trailers and baby seats on their bike will think twice. I rode bikes downtown with my kids during the pandemic when the streets were mostly empty, but it’s not safe most of the time, especially at rush hour. One mistake by a car and the unthinkable will happen again. Ok if adults take risks, but please don’t put your kids on the line. Also, I hope all the scooter people will take note. So many near accidents every day.

+1

You have to be insane to allow a child on a bike in Washington D.C. It is really, really dangerous.

Yes, and the whole goal of the nefarious bike lobby is to... make it safer! Those evil bastards.

Good luck with that. Maybe when you're done, you can also figure out a way to make boxing safe, to make football safe and to make assault rifles safe too.

DP but whatever, bike lanes are going to continue to be built and expanded because their positives far outweigh their negatives. Your false equivalences comparing a method of commuting to recreation activities and deadly weapons (a car is much more analogous to an assault rifle in the damage it can do) aren’t winning arguments. You’ve already lost and I’ll keep biking my way to work as more and more lanes get put in for my safe travel

Some things are just inherently really dangerous -- guns, boxing, riding a bike in a major city -- and there's nothing anyone can do about this. Common sense will tell you this. It would be better if cyclists weren't such incredible crybabies and just took responsibility for the risks they choose to run. It's not the government's job to protect you from hurting yourself while doing something stupid.

I dunno I moved here from Tokyo where it’s incredibly safe to bike. I defy you to say that’s not a major city. They don’t even have tons of protected bike lanes. They have smaller cars (and trucks) and smaller roads and drivers who are cognizant of and careful around cyclists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RIP to the two cyclists who died recently. The state department woman was a great person. What a loss. I live in Shaw near whether the other cyclist died. As a mom and a driver, I just hope that parents who think it’s safe and cool to ride with their kids in trailers and baby seats on their bike will think twice. I rode bikes downtown with my kids during the pandemic when the streets were mostly empty, but it’s not safe most of the time, especially at rush hour. One mistake by a car and the unthinkable will happen again. Ok if adults take risks, but please don’t put your kids on the line. Also, I hope all the scooter people will take note. So many near accidents every day.

+1

You have to be insane to allow a child on a bike in Washington D.C. It is really, really dangerous.

Yes, and the whole goal of the nefarious bike lobby is to... make it safer! Those evil bastards.

If they aren't used then they don't work.

We're not questioning your intentions. We're questioning your judgement and the use of finite public resources.

Bike lanes aren't for bike commuters. Those bicyclists don't like the inability to go fast and manouver. Meanwhile casual bikers prefer biking in areas with less traffic and occassional bikers prefer to walk. Bike lanes are designed for a segment of travel, medium distance, that is better served by metro. They are the betamax/DAT of transportation policy. People don't use them. And if people don't use them then it is a waste of money, resources and space that serves no benefit.

The bicycling enthusiast community would be better served by fixing and/or maintaining dedicated bike paths alongside GW and RC Parkway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:RIP to the two cyclists who died recently. The state department woman was a great person. What a loss. I live in Shaw near whether the other cyclist died. As a mom and a driver, I just hope that parents who think it’s safe and cool to ride with their kids in trailers and baby seats on their bike will think twice. I rode bikes downtown with my kids during the pandemic when the streets were mostly empty, but it’s not safe most of the time, especially at rush hour. One mistake by a car and the unthinkable will happen again. Ok if adults take risks, but please don’t put your kids on the line. Also, I hope all the scooter people will take note. So many near accidents every day.

+1

You have to be insane to allow a child on a bike in Washington D.C. It is really, really dangerous.

Yes, and the whole goal of the nefarious bike lobby is to... make it safer! Those evil bastards.

Good luck with that. Maybe when you're done, you can also figure out a way to make boxing safe, to make football safe and to make assault rifles safe too.

DP but whatever, bike lanes are going to continue to be built and expanded because their positives far outweigh their negatives. Your false equivalences comparing a method of commuting to recreation activities and deadly weapons (a car is much more analogous to an assault rifle in the damage it can do) aren’t winning arguments. You’ve already lost and I’ll keep biking my way to work as more and more lanes get put in for my safe travel

Some things are just inherently really dangerous -- guns, boxing, riding a bike in a major city -- and there's nothing anyone can do about this. Common sense will tell you this. It would be better if cyclists weren't such incredible crybabies and just took responsibility for the risks they choose to run. It's not the government's job to protect you from hurting yourself while doing something stupid.

My dude or dudette. You just said assault rifles are the same as biking in a major city. I want whatever you put in your coffee this morning. I think I’m in love with you

You're missing the point (again). All I'm saying is that some things are just really dangerous and it's a waste of time to pretend otherwise. Cyclists just seem delusional about the risks they run.