Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

The delivery scene was NOT scripted the way it was filmed. That's the entire point. If Baldoni wanted to film a hyperrealistic birth scene with nudity below the waist, that was his prerogative as a director. But he needed to script it that way and follow protocol for filming an intimate scene with nudity. Which means an IC on set, choreographing the scene ahead of time, and taking extra care to ensure the actors are comfortable with what they are being asked to do.

That's the difference between your birth experience and Lively's experience as an actor on a set simulating birth. You consented to everything that happened to you in the delivery room. Lively did not consent to everything that happened on the set that day. She felt coerced into simulating partial nudity even though it wasn't in the script (and felt they'd tried to coerce her into simulating full nudity and had to fight even for it to just be partial). She repeatedly asked for a cover for between takes and was ignored. She felt uncomfortable with having a close friend of Baldoni's cast in a role that put him literally inches away from her genitals while her feet were up in stirrups (even if they were covered, that is still an extremely intimate position for anyone to be in, even for an actor). She didn't have an IC on set advocating for her comfort or ensuring consent. Or at least this is what she alleges. Yet you think none of this should matter. Whatever, she's an actress, get over it.

I think you are lacking in empathy if you truly believe it is no big deal if what Lively alleges here happened. I struggle to understand how a woman would not understand why another woman want more control over a situation like that. Even if she is an actress.

Imagine a scene where an actor portrays a man getting a prostate exam. Imagine that even though the script does not specify that the actor will be naked from the waist down in the scene, and that usually when characters are shown getting prostate exams, they are filmed from the waist up with no nudity, he shows up and the director tells him he won't be wearing anything below the waist and he has to argue with the director even to get some kind of modesty sock. Then imagine the director introduced the actor who will playing the doctor giving the exam, and says, "this is my best girlfriend from college!" and then this person he's just met whose main qualification for the role was apparently being friends with the director, spends the entire film sitting inches from his junk covered only by a thin piece of material. Now imagine during the shoot, he asks several times for something to cover himself with between takes because he feels exposed or is maybe cold, and it takes multiple requests before anyone bothers.

Is that fine? If an actor in that situation told that story, would your response be "whatever, you're an actor, dudes get prostate exams all the time, who cares?" Or would you perhaps be able to see why an actor in that situation would feel uncomfortable and disrespected?

DP but I agreed with this comment 💯. Folks here hate Lively a lot and they’re inclined not to believe her, but if what’s alleged here happened to one of their friends — being coerced into more nudity in a scene than they had expected, not being allowed to cover themselves between takes despite asking, having the “best friend” (who shared the same possibly cultish religion) of the director you were having problems with being chosen as the guy who would have his face and hands within a few feet of their underwear — I think people would be sympathetic. But it’s Lively so they prefer to kill it with fire.

Agree with everything PP wrote above.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

DP but asking an actor to do nudity that is not in the script without an IC present on the day the scene is filmed could be considered harassment, even if the actor manages to convince the director that they should be able to wear more than what has been asked. It's coercive. If the actor refuses, the scene could be postponed and the actor will be blamed for costing the production money.

That's why nudity is always supposed to be in the script and flagged ahead of time, no surprises. Because otherwise there's a ton of pressure on actors to just do what is being asked of them so they can get the shot and keep to schedule. It is a very unprofessional for a director to spring nudity on an actor right before a scene.

Unprofessional is not sexual harassment.

Trying to coerce an actor into doing nudity they didn't sign on for is kind of textbook harassment on a film set though, isn't it? Even if the actor fights back and winds up wearing more clothes. The whole reason they started using ICs and requiring nudity riders was because directors and producers used to abuse their positions to get actresses to do things they weren't comfortable with.

It's a major red flag to me that they suggested the nudity all of a sudden not the day they filmed the scene, and that they didn't involve the IC. They had an IC on the movie, why wouldn't they flag this scene and involve her? The fact that they didn't is a sign that either (1) they are stupid or (2) they were trying to get away with something.

What it isn’t is sexual harassment.

You keep saying this like it's a fact but unless you can provide some textbook definition that will make that clear, people will continue to argue with you.

Lively's SH claim is that Baldoni and Heath created a hostile or abusvie work environment by misconduct that is "severe and pervasive." Her claims of misconduct will thus not be considered individually but cumulatively. So you can't say that as a discrete act, pressuring Lively to do the birth scene nude is not SH. It is supposed to be considered as part of a pattern of behavior, most of which we don't have enough evidence on either way at this point.

So the truth is, you don't know if it was SH or not. It certainly could be.

You’re back again, and you are reaching. But for her feeling discomfort in filming this scene, just not seeing the SH. Again, didn’t she reject the IC that was offered?

Yes, I'm "back again" because like you, I am participating in the conversation in this thread. Where would I go? Why are you allowed to post multiple times but apparently if I do, it's wrong?

But anyway, no she did not "reject the IC that was offered." She declined to attend a pre-production meeting with the IC to discuss scripted intimate scenes, saying that she "felt comfortable." She didn't say "no no please fire the IC, I don't want one!" She just declined to go to one meeting with the IC prior to filming. I don't know why. Maybe on prior projects she's worked on, they've just gone through the choreography with the IC on the day of the scene and she didn't see the point in getting into those details so long before filming those scenes. Maybe she just at the time trusted Baldoni to handle it on his end. Maybe she was playing hardball with a contract provision at the time and was declining meetings as a negotiating tactic. No one knows! But there's no indication she rejected the IC altogether, only that she declined to attend one meeting with the IC.

Then you can’t make the argument that an IC was not present at the delivery scene to make her feel more comfortable or to provide guidance with the script when she did not feel comfortable with it. By declining the IC initially when offered, she made herself unavailable for that assistance. It was offered.

Don’t know about you but if I offer someone help and they turn it down, it’s likely that I’m not going to offer it again unless obligated. Was the producer obligated to keep asking her for IC assistance after she turned it down already? And is he legally bound to do so, under law?

She didn’t decline the IC. The IC is hired onto the project. She didn’t go to the first meeting. From her account, it sounds like she did work with the IC and even requested the IC be present for certain scenes. Declining a meeting during preproduction does not mean she turned down working with the IC.

He alleges that she wouldn’t work with the IC directly and he had to act as a go between.

They also mocked the use of an IC in their depiction of Baldoni in Nicepool, so it's a little hard to believe they both thought this was such a crucial part of filming a scene when they have Nicepool asking for an IC (a very Holywood term) and basically act like he's a little beyotch for wanting this level of coordination and protection.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

Yes, and not a single one of those is sexual haesssment. Further much of it didn’t actually happen in the way she claims, but even if it had, not sexual harassment.

The court will decide if the pattern of behavior was sexual harassment. Your personal view that none of it was isn’t all that relevant. The court will see all the evidence and hear the testimonies and make that decision.

I didn’t say it was my personal view, there is a whole bunch of case law that establishes what sexual harassment is and isn’t. Blake Lively was not sexually harassed.

DP but, lol, okay I guess, since you say so. I mean, a bunch of attorneys clearly disagree with you (not talking about this board specifically but at minimum the ones that agreed to represent Lively and write the complaint and sign their name to it before filing it with the court) — but hey, some anonymous lady on DCUM (and likely a bunch of other anonymous ladies here) have read parts of the filings and watched some Tik Toks and they have decreed “this is not sexual harassment” before any discovery or depositions even so I guess that’s that!

Like Justin Baldoni would say, that’s cute!

You truly do not understand the role of an attorney.

Dp, but agree. No understanding of how litigation works or what constitutes sexual harassment. But she’ll try to convince us she’s a lawyer.

This is pretty funny to me because I am the PP you are referring to and sadly, I am a lawyer. But you two should just keep mocking me and not doing any actual legal work in this thread like citing some of these cases you are so familiar with or doing a close analysis of any of the facts. Silly me, I thought that was a major reason why this thread was left open — because of all the fascinating legal discussion! But please continue to post your insults and one liners that are devoid of any convincing or even semi-persuasive substance. Just post denials! That’s a much better approach!

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

The delivery scene was NOT scripted the way it was filmed. That's the entire point. If Baldoni wanted to film a hyperrealistic birth scene with nudity below the waist, that was his prerogative as a director. But he needed to script it that way and follow protocol for filming an intimate scene with nudity. Which means an IC on set, choreographing the scene ahead of time, and taking extra care to ensure the actors are comfortable with what they are being asked to do.

That's the difference between your birth experience and Lively's experience as an actor on a set simulating birth. You consented to everything that happened to you in the delivery room. Lively did not consent to everything that happened on the set that day. She felt coerced into simulating partial nudity even though it wasn't in the script (and felt they'd tried to coerce her into simulating full nudity and had to fight even for it to just be partial). She repeatedly asked for a cover for between takes and was ignored. She felt uncomfortable with having a close friend of Baldoni's cast in a role that put him literally inches away from her genitals while her feet were up in stirrups (even if they were covered, that is still an extremely intimate position for anyone to be in, even for an actor). She didn't have an IC on set advocating for her comfort or ensuring consent. Or at least this is what she alleges. Yet you think none of this should matter. Whatever, she's an actress, get over it.

I think you are lacking in empathy if you truly believe it is no big deal if what Lively alleges here happened. I struggle to understand how a woman would not understand why another woman want more control over a situation like that. Even if she is an actress.

Imagine a scene where an actor portrays a man getting a prostate exam. Imagine that even though the script does not specify that the actor will be naked from the waist down in the scene, and that usually when characters are shown getting prostate exams, they are filmed from the waist up with no nudity, he shows up and the director tells him he won't be wearing anything below the waist and he has to argue with the director even to get some kind of modesty sock. Then imagine the director introduced the actor who will playing the doctor giving the exam, and says, "this is my best girlfriend from college!" and then this person he's just met whose main qualification for the role was apparently being friends with the director, spends the entire film sitting inches from his junk covered only by a thin piece of material. Now imagine during the shoot, he asks several times for something to cover himself with between takes because he feels exposed or is maybe cold, and it takes multiple requests before anyone bothers.

Is that fine? If an actor in that situation told that story, would your response be "whatever, you're an actor, dudes get prostate exams all the time, who cares?" Or would you perhaps be able to see why an actor in that situation would feel uncomfortable and disrespected?

DP but I agreed with this comment 💯. Folks here hate Lively a lot and they’re inclined not to believe her, but if what’s alleged here happened to one of their friends — being coerced into more nudity in a scene than they had expected, not being allowed to cover themselves between takes despite asking, having the “best friend” (who shared the same possibly cultish religion) of the director you were having problems with being chosen as the guy who would have his face and hands within a few feet of their underwear — I think people would be sympathetic. But it’s Lively so they prefer to kill it with fire.

Agree with everything PP wrote above.

I just love how posters like to pretend that Baldoni doesn’t have videoand other receipts that shred Blake’s credibility. Some of us have seen the video, and read the texts and timeline. You can keep reading her complaint in isolation but the rest of us have looked at all the info released, and determined her claims are fabricated. It’s not anti-women or anti- Blake, it’s pro-evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

Yes, and not a single one of those is sexual haesssment. Further much of it didn’t actually happen in the way she claims, but even if it had, not sexual harassment.

The court will decide if the pattern of behavior was sexual harassment. Your personal view that none of it was isn’t all that relevant. The court will see all the evidence and hear the testimonies and make that decision.

I didn’t say it was my personal view, there is a whole bunch of case law that establishes what sexual harassment is and isn’t. Blake Lively was not sexually harassed.

DP but, lol, okay I guess, since you say so. I mean, a bunch of attorneys clearly disagree with you (not talking about this board specifically but at minimum the ones that agreed to represent Lively and write the complaint and sign their name to it before filing it with the court) — but hey, some anonymous lady on DCUM (and likely a bunch of other anonymous ladies here) have read parts of the filings and watched some Tik Toks and they have decreed “this is not sexual harassment” before any discovery or depositions even so I guess that’s that!

Like Justin Baldoni would say, that’s cute!

You truly do not understand the role of an attorney.

Dp, but agree. No understanding of how litigation works or what constitutes sexual harassment. But she’ll try to convince us she’s a lawyer.

This is pretty funny to me because I am the PP you are referring to and sadly, I am a lawyer. But you two should just keep mocking me and not doing any actual legal work in this thread like citing some of these cases you are so familiar with or doing a close analysis of any of the facts. Silly me, I thought that was a major reason why this thread was left open — because of all the fascinating legal discussion! But please continue to post your insults and one liners that are devoid of any convincing or even semi-persuasive substance. Just post denials! That’s a much better approach!

You’re a lawyer and you think the fact that lawyers took her case goes to its merits? Sure, lady.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

Yes, and not a single one of those is sexual haesssment. Further much of it didn’t actually happen in the way she claims, but even if it had, not sexual harassment.

The court will decide if the pattern of behavior was sexual harassment. Your personal view that none of it was isn’t all that relevant. The court will see all the evidence and hear the testimonies and make that decision.

I didn’t say it was my personal view, there is a whole bunch of case law that establishes what sexual harassment is and isn’t. Blake Lively was not sexually harassed.

DP but, lol, okay I guess, since you say so. I mean, a bunch of attorneys clearly disagree with you (not talking about this board specifically but at minimum the ones that agreed to represent Lively and write the complaint and sign their name to it before filing it with the court) — but hey, some anonymous lady on DCUM (and likely a bunch of other anonymous ladies here) have read parts of the filings and watched some Tik Toks and they have decreed “this is not sexual harassment” before any discovery or depositions even so I guess that’s that!

Like Justin Baldoni would say, that’s cute!

You truly do not understand the role of an attorney.

Dp, but agree. No understanding of how litigation works or what constitutes sexual harassment. But she’ll try to convince us she’s a lawyer.

This is pretty funny to me because I am the PP you are referring to and sadly, I am a lawyer. But you two should just keep mocking me and not doing any actual legal work in this thread like citing some of these cases you are so familiar with or doing a close analysis of any of the facts. Silly me, I thought that was a major reason why this thread was left open — because of all the fascinating legal discussion! But please continue to post your insults and one liners that are devoid of any convincing or even semi-persuasive substance. Just post denials! That’s a much better approach!

Feel free to go back and reread the responses to the other dozen times you wanted to examine these particular allegations. The rest of us have grown tired of the daily rehash.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

Yes, and not a single one of those is sexual haesssment. Further much of it didn’t actually happen in the way she claims, but even if it had, not sexual harassment.

The court will decide if the pattern of behavior was sexual harassment. Your personal view that none of it was isn’t all that relevant. The court will see all the evidence and hear the testimonies and make that decision.

I didn’t say it was my personal view, there is a whole bunch of case law that establishes what sexual harassment is and isn’t. Blake Lively was not sexually harassed.

DP but, lol, okay I guess, since you say so. I mean, a bunch of attorneys clearly disagree with you (not talking about this board specifically but at minimum the ones that agreed to represent Lively and write the complaint and sign their name to it before filing it with the court) — but hey, some anonymous lady on DCUM (and likely a bunch of other anonymous ladies here) have read parts of the filings and watched some Tik Toks and they have decreed “this is not sexual harassment” before any discovery or depositions even so I guess that’s that!

Like Justin Baldoni would say, that’s cute!

You truly do not understand the role of an attorney.

Dp, but agree. No understanding of how litigation works or what constitutes sexual harassment. But she’ll try to convince us she’s a lawyer.

This is pretty funny to me because I am the PP you are referring to and sadly, I am a lawyer. But you two should just keep mocking me and not doing any actual legal work in this thread like citing some of these cases you are so familiar with or doing a close analysis of any of the facts. Silly me, I thought that was a major reason why this thread was left open — because of all the fascinating legal discussion! But please continue to post your insults and one liners that are devoid of any convincing or even semi-persuasive substance. Just post denials! That’s a much better approach!

You’re a lawyer and you think the fact that lawyers took her case goes to its merits? Sure, lady.

Sorry, I don’t sign my name to sh!t that’s verifiably false and then file it with the court or otherwise file complaints that have no merit. Maybe you have a different experience.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

Yes, and not a single one of those is sexual haesssment. Further much of it didn’t actually happen in the way she claims, but even if it had, not sexual harassment.

The court will decide if the pattern of behavior was sexual harassment. Your personal view that none of it was isn’t all that relevant. The court will see all the evidence and hear the testimonies and make that decision.

I didn’t say it was my personal view, there is a whole bunch of case law that establishes what sexual harassment is and isn’t. Blake Lively was not sexually harassed.

DP but, lol, okay I guess, since you say so. I mean, a bunch of attorneys clearly disagree with you (not talking about this board specifically but at minimum the ones that agreed to represent Lively and write the complaint and sign their name to it before filing it with the court) — but hey, some anonymous lady on DCUM (and likely a bunch of other anonymous ladies here) have read parts of the filings and watched some Tik Toks and they have decreed “this is not sexual harassment” before any discovery or depositions even so I guess that’s that!

Like Justin Baldoni would say, that’s cute!

You truly do not understand the role of an attorney.

Dp, but agree. No understanding of how litigation works or what constitutes sexual harassment. But she’ll try to convince us she’s a lawyer.

This is pretty funny to me because I am the PP you are referring to and sadly, I am a lawyer. But you two should just keep mocking me and not doing any actual legal work in this thread like citing some of these cases you are so familiar with or doing a close analysis of any of the facts. Silly me, I thought that was a major reason why this thread was left open — because of all the fascinating legal discussion! But please continue to post your insults and one liners that are devoid of any convincing or even semi-persuasive substance. Just post denials! That’s a much better approach!

You’re a lawyer and you think the fact that lawyers took her case goes to its merits? Sure, lady.

Sorry, I don’t sign my name to sh!t that’s verifiably false and then file it with the court or otherwise file complaints that have no merit. Maybe you have a different experience.

Well. I don’t put footnotes in my complaint to mislead the court as to what my client was wearing. The fact that a law firm took the case of a rich and famous women does not mean the lawyers working on the case believe her claims will prevail in court. And the footnote itself raises Rule 11 concerns to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

The delivery scene was NOT scripted the way it was filmed. That's the entire point. If Baldoni wanted to film a hyperrealistic birth scene with nudity below the waist, that was his prerogative as a director. But he needed to script it that way and follow protocol for filming an intimate scene with nudity. Which means an IC on set, choreographing the scene ahead of time, and taking extra care to ensure the actors are comfortable with what they are being asked to do.

That's the difference between your birth experience and Lively's experience as an actor on a set simulating birth. You consented to everything that happened to you in the delivery room. Lively did not consent to everything that happened on the set that day. She felt coerced into simulating partial nudity even though it wasn't in the script (and felt they'd tried to coerce her into simulating full nudity and had to fight even for it to just be partial). She repeatedly asked for a cover for between takes and was ignored. She felt uncomfortable with having a close friend of Baldoni's cast in a role that put him literally inches away from her genitals while her feet were up in stirrups (even if they were covered, that is still an extremely intimate position for anyone to be in, even for an actor). She didn't have an IC on set advocating for her comfort or ensuring consent. Or at least this is what she alleges. Yet you think none of this should matter. Whatever, she's an actress, get over it.

I think you are lacking in empathy if you truly believe it is no big deal if what Lively alleges here happened. I struggle to understand how a woman would not understand why another woman want more control over a situation like that. Even if she is an actress.

Imagine a scene where an actor portrays a man getting a prostate exam. Imagine that even though the script does not specify that the actor will be naked from the waist down in the scene, and that usually when characters are shown getting prostate exams, they are filmed from the waist up with no nudity, he shows up and the director tells him he won't be wearing anything below the waist and he has to argue with the director even to get some kind of modesty sock. Then imagine the director introduced the actor who will playing the doctor giving the exam, and says, "this is my best girlfriend from college!" and then this person he's just met whose main qualification for the role was apparently being friends with the director, spends the entire film sitting inches from his junk covered only by a thin piece of material. Now imagine during the shoot, he asks several times for something to cover himself with between takes because he feels exposed or is maybe cold, and it takes multiple requests before anyone bothers.

Is that fine? If an actor in that situation told that story, would your response be "whatever, you're an actor, dudes get prostate exams all the time, who cares?" Or would you perhaps be able to see why an actor in that situation would feel uncomfortable and disrespected?

DP but I agreed with this comment 💯. Folks here hate Lively a lot and they’re inclined not to believe her, but if what’s alleged here happened to one of their friends — being coerced into more nudity in a scene than they had expected, not being allowed to cover themselves between takes despite asking, having the “best friend” (who shared the same possibly cultish religion) of the director you were having problems with being chosen as the guy who would have his face and hands within a few feet of their underwear — I think people would be sympathetic. But it’s Lively so they prefer to kill it with fire.

Agree with everything PP wrote above.

. Yeah, but how do you know if what BL is saying is really true? Hasn’t she stated things that many defended, only to find out the hard evidence that she made false or exaggerated claims? Not once, not twice, but several times and JB came with the text and video receipts that disapproved her allegations.

Hard to believe that she’s stating complete truth once again. It will be interesting to see if more receipts are produced at trial by JB.

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Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

Yes, and not a single one of those is sexual haesssment. Further much of it didn’t actually happen in the way she claims, but even if it had, not sexual harassment.

The court will decide if the pattern of behavior was sexual harassment. Your personal view that none of it was isn’t all that relevant. The court will see all the evidence and hear the testimonies and make that decision.

I didn’t say it was my personal view, there is a whole bunch of case law that establishes what sexual harassment is and isn’t. Blake Lively was not sexually harassed.

DP but, lol, okay I guess, since you say so. I mean, a bunch of attorneys clearly disagree with you (not talking about this board specifically but at minimum the ones that agreed to represent Lively and write the complaint and sign their name to it before filing it with the court) — but hey, some anonymous lady on DCUM (and likely a bunch of other anonymous ladies here) have read parts of the filings and watched some Tik Toks and they have decreed “this is not sexual harassment” before any discovery or depositions even so I guess that’s that!

Like Justin Baldoni would say, that’s cute!

You truly do not understand the role of an attorney.

Dp, but agree. No understanding of how litigation works or what constitutes sexual harassment. But she’ll try to convince us she’s a lawyer.

This is pretty funny to me because I am the PP you are referring to and sadly, I am a lawyer. But you two should just keep mocking me and not doing any actual legal work in this thread like citing some of these cases you are so familiar with or doing a close analysis of any of the facts. Silly me, I thought that was a major reason why this thread was left open — because of all the fascinating legal discussion! But please continue to post your insults and one liners that are devoid of any convincing or even semi-persuasive substance. Just post denials! That’s a much better approach!

You’re a lawyer and you think the fact that lawyers took her case goes to its merits? Sure, lady.

Sorry, I don’t sign my name to sh!t that’s verifiably false and then file it with the court or otherwise file complaints that have no merit. Maybe you have a different experience.

Well. I don’t put footnotes in my complaint to mislead the court as to what my client was wearing. The fact that a law firm took the case of a rich and famous women does not mean the lawyers working on the case believe her claims will prevail in court. And the footnote itself raises Rule 11 concerns to me.

Baldoni’s amended complaint includes misleading language that I’ve said above is arguably as bad or worse (I’m the one that wrote comments re his paragraphs 119 and 120), but it’s Baldoni so, forget it, Jake, it’s Chinatown.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

Yes, and not a single one of those is sexual haesssment. Further much of it didn’t actually happen in the way she claims, but even if it had, not sexual harassment.

The court will decide if the pattern of behavior was sexual harassment. Your personal view that none of it was isn’t all that relevant. The court will see all the evidence and hear the testimonies and make that decision.

I didn’t say it was my personal view, there is a whole bunch of case law that establishes what sexual harassment is and isn’t. Blake Lively was not sexually harassed.

DP but, lol, okay I guess, since you say so. I mean, a bunch of attorneys clearly disagree with you (not talking about this board specifically but at minimum the ones that agreed to represent Lively and write the complaint and sign their name to it before filing it with the court) — but hey, some anonymous lady on DCUM (and likely a bunch of other anonymous ladies here) have read parts of the filings and watched some Tik Toks and they have decreed “this is not sexual harassment” before any discovery or depositions even so I guess that’s that!

Like Justin Baldoni would say, that’s cute!

You truly do not understand the role of an attorney.

Dp, but agree. No understanding of how litigation works or what constitutes sexual harassment. But she’ll try to convince us she’s a lawyer.

This is pretty funny to me because I am the PP you are referring to and sadly, I am a lawyer. But you two should just keep mocking me and not doing any actual legal work in this thread like citing some of these cases you are so familiar with or doing a close analysis of any of the facts. Silly me, I thought that was a major reason why this thread was left open — because of all the fascinating legal discussion! But please continue to post your insults and one liners that are devoid of any convincing or even semi-persuasive substance. Just post denials! That’s a much better approach!

You’re a lawyer and you think the fact that lawyers took her case goes to its merits? Sure, lady.

Sorry, I don’t sign my name to sh!t that’s verifiably false and then file it with the court or otherwise file complaints that have no merit. Maybe you have a different experience.

Well. I don’t put footnotes in my complaint to mislead the court as to what my client was wearing. The fact that a law firm took the case of a rich and famous women does not mean the lawyers working on the case believe her claims will prevail in court. And the footnote itself raises Rule 11 concerns to me.

Also, you seem to be just accepting that his allegation that Lively was wearing black briefs is true, even though you can’t see black briefs in the movie at all despite the fact that they’d be fully visible from the side shots of her naked leg. Maybe they CGI’d it out but I’m not sure they had the budget for that. Weird though how you’re just assuming Baldoni’s amended complaint is correct on the briefs before any discovery has happened and in contravention of what our own eyes can see in the film.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

Yes, and not a single one of those is sexual haesssment. Further much of it didn’t actually happen in the way she claims, but even if it had, not sexual harassment.

The court will decide if the pattern of behavior was sexual harassment. Your personal view that none of it was isn’t all that relevant. The court will see all the evidence and hear the testimonies and make that decision.

I didn’t say it was my personal view, there is a whole bunch of case law that establishes what sexual harassment is and isn’t. Blake Lively was not sexually harassed.

DP but, lol, okay I guess, since you say so. I mean, a bunch of attorneys clearly disagree with you (not talking about this board specifically but at minimum the ones that agreed to represent Lively and write the complaint and sign their name to it before filing it with the court) — but hey, some anonymous lady on DCUM (and likely a bunch of other anonymous ladies here) have read parts of the filings and watched some Tik Toks and they have decreed “this is not sexual harassment” before any discovery or depositions even so I guess that’s that!

Like Justin Baldoni would say, that’s cute!

You truly do not understand the role of an attorney.

Dp, but agree. No understanding of how litigation works or what constitutes sexual harassment. But she’ll try to convince us she’s a lawyer.

This is pretty funny to me because I am the PP you are referring to and sadly, I am a lawyer. But you two should just keep mocking me and not doing any actual legal work in this thread like citing some of these cases you are so familiar with or doing a close analysis of any of the facts. Silly me, I thought that was a major reason why this thread was left open — because of all the fascinating legal discussion! But please continue to post your insults and one liners that are devoid of any convincing or even semi-persuasive substance. Just post denials! That’s a much better approach!

You’re a lawyer and you think the fact that lawyers took her case goes to its merits? Sure, lady.

Sorry, I don’t sign my name to sh!t that’s verifiably false and then file it with the court or otherwise file complaints that have no merit. Maybe you have a different experience.

Well. I don’t put footnotes in my complaint to mislead the court as to what my client was wearing. The fact that a law firm took the case of a rich and famous women does not mean the lawyers working on the case believe her claims will prevail in court. And the footnote itself raises Rule 11 concerns to me.

Also, you seem to be just accepting that his allegation that Lively was wearing black briefs is true, even though you can’t see black briefs in the movie at all despite the fact that they’d be fully visible from the side shots of her naked leg. Maybe they CGI’d it out but I’m not sure they had the budget for that. Weird though how you’re just assuming Baldoni’s amended complaint is correct on the briefs before any discovery has happened and in contravention of what our own eyes can see in the film.

Go to sleep. Your bonus will come soon.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

Yes, and not a single one of those is sexual haesssment. Further much of it didn’t actually happen in the way she claims, but even if it had, not sexual harassment.

The court will decide if the pattern of behavior was sexual harassment. Your personal view that none of it was isn’t all that relevant. The court will see all the evidence and hear the testimonies and make that decision.

I didn’t say it was my personal view, there is a whole bunch of case law that establishes what sexual harassment is and isn’t. Blake Lively was not sexually harassed.

DP but, lol, okay I guess, since you say so. I mean, a bunch of attorneys clearly disagree with you (not talking about this board specifically but at minimum the ones that agreed to represent Lively and write the complaint and sign their name to it before filing it with the court) — but hey, some anonymous lady on DCUM (and likely a bunch of other anonymous ladies here) have read parts of the filings and watched some Tik Toks and they have decreed “this is not sexual harassment” before any discovery or depositions even so I guess that’s that!

Like Justin Baldoni would say, that’s cute!

You truly do not understand the role of an attorney.

Dp, but agree. No understanding of how litigation works or what constitutes sexual harassment. But she’ll try to convince us she’s a lawyer.

This is pretty funny to me because I am the PP you are referring to and sadly, I am a lawyer. But you two should just keep mocking me and not doing any actual legal work in this thread like citing some of these cases you are so familiar with or doing a close analysis of any of the facts. Silly me, I thought that was a major reason why this thread was left open — because of all the fascinating legal discussion! But please continue to post your insults and one liners that are devoid of any convincing or even semi-persuasive substance. Just post denials! That’s a much better approach!

If you are a lawyer how are you hitting your billable hour requirements with the amount of time you spend on this thread? You are here 24/7. Are you billing your clients to write posts defending BL and RR? Your posts are really long too. Have to at least be a .4-.5 spent on each BL & RR defense post, multiple times per day. There is no way you are hitting your billable hours if you are billing honestly.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

Yes, and not a single one of those is sexual haesssment. Further much of it didn’t actually happen in the way she claims, but even if it had, not sexual harassment.

The court will decide if the pattern of behavior was sexual harassment. Your personal view that none of it was isn’t all that relevant. The court will see all the evidence and hear the testimonies and make that decision.

I didn’t say it was my personal view, there is a whole bunch of case law that establishes what sexual harassment is and isn’t. Blake Lively was not sexually harassed.

DP but, lol, okay I guess, since you say so. I mean, a bunch of attorneys clearly disagree with you (not talking about this board specifically but at minimum the ones that agreed to represent Lively and write the complaint and sign their name to it before filing it with the court) — but hey, some anonymous lady on DCUM (and likely a bunch of other anonymous ladies here) have read parts of the filings and watched some Tik Toks and they have decreed “this is not sexual harassment” before any discovery or depositions even so I guess that’s that!

Like Justin Baldoni would say, that’s cute!

You truly do not understand the role of an attorney.

Dp, but agree. No understanding of how litigation works or what constitutes sexual harassment. But she’ll try to convince us she’s a lawyer.

This is pretty funny to me because I am the PP you are referring to and sadly, I am a lawyer. But you two should just keep mocking me and not doing any actual legal work in this thread like citing some of these cases you are so familiar with or doing a close analysis of any of the facts. Silly me, I thought that was a major reason why this thread was left open — because of all the fascinating legal discussion! But please continue to post your insults and one liners that are devoid of any convincing or even semi-persuasive substance. Just post denials! That’s a much better approach!

You’re a lawyer and you think the fact that lawyers took her case goes to its merits? Sure, lady.

Sorry, I don’t sign my name to sh!t that’s verifiably false and then file it with the court or otherwise file complaints that have no merit. Maybe you have a different experience.

Well. I don’t put footnotes in my complaint to mislead the court as to what my client was wearing. The fact that a law firm took the case of a rich and famous women does not mean the lawyers working on the case believe her claims will prevail in court. And the footnote itself raises Rule 11 concerns to me.

Also, you seem to be just accepting that his allegation that Lively was wearing black briefs is true, even though you can’t see black briefs in the movie at all despite the fact that they’d be fully visible from the side shots of her naked leg. Maybe they CGI’d it out but I’m not sure they had the budget for that. Weird though how you’re just assuming Baldoni’s amended complaint is correct on the briefs before any discovery has happened and in contravention of what our own eyes can see in the film.

Jumping in to say this is a good point. The lawsuit is still in the early stages. Justin has debunked a lot of her allegations but it doesn't mean he's 100% telling the truth.

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Again this is a complete joke in Hollywood. No one thinks BL was sexually harassed.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/justin-baldoni-vs-blake-lively-1236129790/