ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

You don't understand risk vs reward

With BY there is no risk in maintaining status quo since it's whats currently being used.

Switching to SY is a huge risk. I have no idea how the club will look after implementing the change.

What's the reward? Does changing from BY to SY translate to more paying players? No it does not. I just get the headache of angry parents and the hassle of shuffling teams around.

Also it's very likely that there would be less players after changing from BY to SY. So basically all kinds of work to implement something that might mean less paying customers.

First, I’m not arguing there isn’t a significant unknown facing everyone involved when the new teams roll out. But if every club is facing the exact same circumstances, then the ‘risk’ is negated if your focus was on player development and not win at all costs.

Completely disagree with your statement that the change will cause less kids to play. I’m a parent of a 2010 trapped player whose team is doing nothing but voluntarily practices and scrimmages against younger teams. She loved the girls on her team, but didn’t want to wait until spring to play. So she tried out for club volleyball, which goes through the spring so she’s dropping soccer. Yes, I’m one person, but other duel sports trapped kids also dropped from the team. If she wasn’t facing months without soccer, she likely would’ve stayed. Not to play in college, but simply because she liked the game enough and loved her team. So my $$$ is now going to volleyball.

What are to talking about when saying if everyone implements SY the risk is negated?

How is every club losing 10+ players somehow better than no clubs losing no players?

All for a change to "help" trapped players who can already play on a team? It doesn't make sense.

Let's see...

Better off from changing ty SY
- Trapped players
- ECNL

Worse off from changing to SY
- Potentially current players and parents
- Coaches (dealing with parents)
- Docs (dealing with parents)
- Club Owners (fewer players)

See how changing from BY to SY doesn't make sense?

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Not what i said. Every year as kids get older some quit. This won't cause more to quit might just change who does. At the younger ages you could get more to play.

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Maybe this was explained before and I couldn't find it in the past 177 pages. The proposed change will be making the current system of pooling ages by Jan 1 - Dec 31 and shifting it to Aug 1 - July 31? Or is there something else they're planning by verifying your graduating year to find where you should be placed?

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Please re-read the thread and focus on impact of playing with your grade in younger years. I’m not re-explaining what’s already been said. Also listen to the podcast bc they explain the reasons for the change.

I'm seeing parents of trapped players argument about why BY to SY works for them.

I'm seeing ECNLs argument about why BY to SY works for them.

I'm not seeing anyone explain how changing from BY to SY works for club owners.

Club owners get screwed in all this. They end up the bad guys with pissed off parents, all kinds of work to implement the change, and less paying customers after all the effort.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Please re-read the thread and focus on impact of playing with your grade in younger years. I’m not re-explaining what’s already been said. Also listen to the podcast bc they explain the reasons for the change.

I'm seeing parents of trapped players argument about why BY to SY works for them.

I'm seeing ECNLs argument about why BY to SY works for them.

I'm not seeing anyone explain how changing from BY to SY works for club owners.

Club owners get screwed in all this. They end up the bad guys with pissed off parents, all kinds of work to implement the change, and less paying customers after all the effort.

Honestly club owners are not the customers here so they don’t really get a vote. Maybe there is some impact during the transition (change is always difficult), but once we get past the transition, why would less kids play soccer if the grouping window moves by a few months? You do realize the current BY system only has been around a short time and there once was a transition from SY and clubs came out fine.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Not what i said. Every year as kids get older some quit. This won't cause more to quit might just change who does. At the younger ages you could get more to play.

But you don't know this it's just what you think will happen.

By staying with BY nothing changes for club owners.

By changing from BY to SY club owners WILL have less players.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Please re-read the thread and focus on impact of playing with your grade in younger years. I’m not re-explaining what’s already been said. Also listen to the podcast bc they explain the reasons for the change.

I'm seeing parents of trapped players argument about why BY to SY works for them.

I'm seeing ECNLs argument about why BY to SY works for them.

I'm not seeing anyone explain how changing from BY to SY works for club owners.

Club owners get screwed in all this. They end up the bad guys with pissed off parents, all kinds of work to implement the change, and less paying customers after all the effort.

Honestly club owners are not the customers here so they don’t really get a vote. Maybe there is some impact during the transition (change is always difficult), but once we get past the transition, why would less kids play soccer if the grouping window moves by a few months? You do realize the current BY system only has been around a short time and there once was a transition from SY and clubs came out fine.

What are you talking about?

Somehow you think club owners don't have a vote in switching from BY to SY.

Such arrogance.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Not what i said. Every year as kids get older some quit. This won't cause more to quit might just change who does. At the younger ages you could get more to play.

But you don't know this it's just what you think will happen.

By staying with BY nothing changes for club owners.

By changing from BY to SY club owners WILL have less players.

Who are the club owners?

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Please re-read the thread and focus on impact of playing with your grade in younger years. I’m not re-explaining what’s already been said. Also listen to the podcast bc they explain the reasons for the change.

I'm seeing parents of trapped players argument about why BY to SY works for them.

I'm seeing ECNLs argument about why BY to SY works for them.

I'm not seeing anyone explain how changing from BY to SY works for club owners.

Club owners get screwed in all this. They end up the bad guys with pissed off parents, all kinds of work to implement the change, and less paying customers after all the effort.

Honestly club owners are not the customers here so they don’t really get a vote. Maybe there is some impact during the transition (change is always difficult), but once we get past the transition, why would less kids play soccer if the grouping window moves by a few months? You do realize the current BY system only has been around a short time and there once was a transition from SY and clubs came out fine.

Switching from SY to BY was easy because the transition involved players playing up which everyone generally accepts.

Switching from BY to SY is much more difficult to do because it involves players playing down which unless it's your kid playing down most people don't like.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Not what i said. Every year as kids get older some quit. This won't cause more to quit might just change who does. At the younger ages you could get more to play.

But you don't know this it's just what you think will happen.

By staying with BY nothing changes for club owners.

By changing from BY to SY club owners WILL have less players.

Club owners profit over the long term if participation goes up, which is a selling point of SY whether some people believe it or not, as they'll eventually have more paying customers. They may have to weather a storm initially if this leads to a higher quitting rate in the first year. Club operators/coaches with no ownership interest are probably not fans. They will be on the front lines of the drama and won't participate in increased profits if that promise is delivered. In the long run for them though, there might be slightly less work if they don't have to worry about trapped player programming and chaos in teams junior and senior years.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Please re-read the thread and focus on impact of playing with your grade in younger years. I’m not re-explaining what’s already been said. Also listen to the podcast bc they explain the reasons for the change.

I'm seeing parents of trapped players argument about why BY to SY works for them.

I'm seeing ECNLs argument about why BY to SY works for them.

I'm not seeing anyone explain how changing from BY to SY works for club owners.

Club owners get screwed in all this. They end up the bad guys with pissed off parents, all kinds of work to implement the change, and less paying customers after all the effort.

Honestly club owners are not the customers here so they don’t really get a vote. Maybe there is some impact during the transition (change is always difficult), but once we get past the transition, why would less kids play soccer if the grouping window moves by a few months? You do realize the current BY system only has been around a short time and there once was a transition from SY and clubs came out fine.

Switching from SY to BY was easy because the transition involved players playing up which everyone generally accepts.

Switching from BY to SY is much more difficult to do because it involves players playing down which unless it's your kid playing down most people don't like.

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've read today. If playing up is generally accepted then teams won't change at all because guess what kids are allowed to play up.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Not what i said. Every year as kids get older some quit. This won't cause more to quit might just change who does. At the younger ages you could get more to play.

But you don't know this it's just what you think will happen.

By staying with BY nothing changes for club owners.

By changing from BY to SY club owners WILL have less players.

Who are the club owners?

The club owners are the ones that pay the admins, coaches, and docs salaries.

While it's nice to live in a world of good intentions. Someone has to stand up when a proposed change will affect the bottom line.

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As many people have already mentioned, discussions about this have clearly gone on for months already. From the infamous podcast transcript..."clubs and people putting together rosters" agree short term disruption is worth it for long term outcome...

Speaker 3: 4:47
That is not ideal. The overwhelming feedback we've had and I'm sure, doug, you can confirm this, but the overwhelming thought that we've had in discussions with clubs, with board members at various organizations, is that the transition will be messy as teams are destabilized and rosters are redone, but that the long-term positive of eliminating the trapped eighth grader, the 18-19 glut, roster glut and the induction issues of not playing with school year friends that the long term is worth the short-term instability. Obviously, people have varying levels of tolerance for change and I think there are some people that have expressed the desire not to have any sort of problems in the short-term and will just leave things as it is. But the majority of people seem to say when I say people, I'm talking about the operators, the club people that are actually in charge of putting together rosters are saying they would support doing this as a one-time challenge and disruption to get a better long-term outcome. Doug, are you hearing anything different?

Speaker 5: 5:54
Yeah, I mean I have not talked to anyone who has thought this was a bad idea to go back to school year. Obviously our interactions, christian, are with club operators, primarily the people on the ground, so I take that to mean that those folks would be definitely in favor of it, although to your point, it would be a messy kind of thing. I am hopeful that the decision is made in short order because I do think the rumors are causing some significant anxiety among players and families who don't know kind of what's going to happen, because there will be destabilization to point about on the team. So hopefully this time frame can happen because it does require some planning and communication on the club front to make this happen. But I agree, and I think the people that I talk to generally agree, that the long term is is worth, worth the short term yeah, I mean to put some specifics on it.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Not what i said. Every year as kids get older some quit. This won't cause more to quit might just change who does. At the younger ages you could get more to play.

But you don't know this it's just what you think will happen.

By staying with BY nothing changes for club owners.

By changing from BY to SY club owners WILL have less players.

Club owners profit over the long term if participation goes up, which is a selling point of SY whether some people believe it or not, as they'll eventually have more paying customers. They may have to weather a storm initially if this leads to a higher quitting rate in the first year. Club operators/coaches with no ownership interest are probably not fans. They will be on the front lines of the drama and won't participate in increased profits if that promise is delivered. In the long run for them though, there might be slightly less work if they don't have to worry about trapped player programming and chaos in teams junior and senior years.

Ok so you're saying trust me you're going to lose money for a couple of years up front. But after that happens you'll make more and be able to compensate for the initial loss.

And this will all occur because a small percent of players can play with kids in their grade at school.

I'd rather just hire another coach and bring on more teams. Then I make money now and in the future.