Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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Anonymous wrote:How are Metro buses and other public transportation on Connecticut and Wisconsin being improved in the midst of all this? Doesn’t public transit need more focus and safety improvement? It’s used by a much larger segment of the population and a less affluent, more diverse cross section of people in this city. How are buses not going to come to a grinding halt along with cars in Connecticut and Wisconsin?

That's part of the plan. Remember "induced demand"? The plan is to make traffic and congestion so unbearable that people are forced to use bikes.

Thats....not what "induced demand" is.

Define the word "induced"

In transportation, induced demand usually refers to what happens when you add more car lanes: you get even more traffic than you had before, because people think the new lanes will make it easier to drive there, and they all start using that road. I don't think I've ever heard the concept applied to bike lanes.

True. But no one is proposing the WIDEN Connecticut Avenue for vehicles. Instead, the plan is to CUT rush hour carrying capacity by 50 percent. Induced demand isn’t the issue, but rather gridlock and the diversion of significant thru traffic to streets that weren’t designed to handle such traffic. It’s like squeezing a balloon.

There is already gridlock. It can't get more girdlocked.
There is already diversion on to side streets.

The solution is to provide alternatives to cars. That is what mass transit and bikes, scooters etc are for. We have to provide capacity for the alternatives because we already have the conditions you are complaining about.

Yes it can
The current diversion onto side streets is minimal. It will be exponentially worse.

Mass transit (buses) is being reduced. Increasing bike capacity does not require decreasing traffic capacity. Renovating the existing Beach Drive bike path would do that without harming anything else. But you demand Connecticut because it's about prestige not policy.

If the sole purpose was getting downtown, then perhaps expanding the Beach Drive infrastructure would be helpful. But this is as much about getting from one neighborhood to another, from one commerce center to another ON CONNECTICUT AVENUE. No one is going to ride a bike from Cleveland Park to Forest Hills via Beach Drive.

We all already do that by WALKING.

That is fine. Some people prefer to do it in 10 minutes instead of a half hour.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

When Metro increases frequency of service and starts arresting those who jump turnstiles and trash the trains with impunity, then I’ll return to the Metro. I have no desire to see lawbreakers serve jail time but dressing them in pink coveralls and having them spend a week or two scrubbing Metro stations would be an appropriate penalty and a deterrent to others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

No. DC must understand that its economic well being is based on the professional service businesses that operate downtown. Like NYC, DC needs its business community. Conn Ave has been a commuter road since the early to mid 1900s. If you live near Conn Ave, you know that, and have no reason to complain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

When Metro increases frequency of service and starts arresting those who jump turnstiles and trash the trains with impunity, then I’ll return to the Metro. I have no desire to see lawbreakers serve jail time but dressing them in pink coveralls and having them spend a week or two scrubbing Metro stations would be an appropriate penalty and a deterrent to others.

If only you had county and state offiicials to appeal to for this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

No. DC must understand that its economic well being is based on the professional service businesses that operate downtown. Like NYC, DC needs its business community. Conn Ave has been a commuter road since the early to mid 1900s. If you live near Conn Ave, you know that, and have no reason to complain.

So you support restoring the original configuration of Conn Ave including the 1900 streetcar? Me too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

No. DC must understand that its economic well being is based on the professional service businesses that operate downtown. Like NYC, DC needs its business community. Conn Ave has been a commuter road since the early to mid 1900s. If you live near Conn Ave, you know that, and have no reason to complain.

So you support restoring the original configuration of Conn Ave including the 1900 streetcar? Me too!

The argument that DC needs commuter pseudo-highways like Conn Ave in its current state to remain economically viable are a sick joke given what automobile-driven suburbanization actually did to the central core of DC and almost ever other major city in the US. The idea that measures to improve the quality of life for residents of the inner core and surrounding neighborhoods will adversely affect those areas is incredibly peculiar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

No. DC must understand that its economic well being is based on the professional service businesses that operate downtown. Like NYC, DC needs its business community. Conn Ave has been a commuter road since the early to mid 1900s. If you live near Conn Ave, you know that, and have no reason to complain.

So you support restoring the original configuration of Conn Ave including the 1900 streetcar? Me too!

The argument that DC needs commuter pseudo-highways like Conn Ave in its current state to remain economically viable are a sick joke given what automobile-driven suburbanization actually did to the central core of DC and almost ever other major city in the US. The idea that measures to improve the quality of life for residents of the inner core and surrounding neighborhoods will adversely affect those areas is incredibly peculiar.

Seriously. The PP's argument seems to be "I don't live in DC or pay taxes there and I choose to love further out because DC makes it easy for me to drive 30 MPH through residential neighborhoods. DC just doesn't UNDERSTAND that its economic well being depends on people like me and not on people who actually pay taxes and purchase things in the city and don't just drive through. I spend $15 a day on Sweetgreen and Starbucks, the tax dollars that DC gets from that is SO MUCH HIGHER than what they would get from me actually paying income taxes in DC and doing most of my grocery and restaurant spending in DC."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

A streetcar and a priority bus lane would be a lot more useful (and reduce personal vehicle traffic) compared to the proposed bike lanes, which will slow buses.

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

No. DC must understand that its economic well being is based on the professional service businesses that operate downtown. Like NYC, DC needs its business community. Conn Ave has been a commuter road since the early to mid 1900s. If you live near Conn Ave, you know that, and have no reason to complain.

So you support restoring the original configuration of Conn Ave including the 1900 streetcar? Me too!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

No. DC must understand that its economic well being is based on the professional service businesses that operate downtown. Like NYC, DC needs its business community. Conn Ave has been a commuter road since the early to mid 1900s. If you live near Conn Ave, you know that, and have no reason to complain.

So you support restoring the original configuration of Conn Ave including the 1900 streetcar? Me too!

The argument that DC needs commuter pseudo-highways like Conn Ave in its current state to remain economically viable are a sick joke given what automobile-driven suburbanization actually did to the central core of DC and almost ever other major city in the US. The idea that measures to improve the quality of life for residents of the inner core and surrounding neighborhoods will adversely affect those areas is incredibly peculiar.

"Auto driven suburbanization" didnt destroy the urban core, lol. The urban core was hollowed out by building Federal Triangle in the 50s, desegregation and racial problems in the 60s and 70s, and then Barry's office building obsession in the 80s. Urban development fads and people who claim to know better were the problem.

This proposal has nothing to do with the urban core. So that's irrelevant anyway. Upper NW was only developed in the first place because of the automobile shortening time, distance and topography barriers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

No. DC must understand that its economic well being is based on the professional service businesses that operate downtown. Like NYC, DC needs its business community. Conn Ave has been a commuter road since the early to mid 1900s. If you live near Conn Ave, you know that, and have no reason to complain.

So you support restoring the original configuration of Conn Ave including the 1900 streetcar? Me too!

The argument that DC needs commuter pseudo-highways like Conn Ave in its current state to remain economically viable are a sick joke given what automobile-driven suburbanization actually did to the central core of DC and almost ever other major city in the US. The idea that measures to improve the quality of life for residents of the inner core and surrounding neighborhoods will adversely affect those areas is incredibly peculiar.

Seriously. The PP's argument seems to be "I don't live in DC or pay taxes there and I choose to love further out because DC makes it easy for me to drive 30 MPH through residential neighborhoods. DC just doesn't UNDERSTAND that its economic well being depends on people like me and not on people who actually pay taxes and purchase things in the city and don't just drive through. I spend $15 a day on Sweetgreen and Starbucks, the tax dollars that DC gets from that is SO MUCH HIGHER than what they would get from me actually paying income taxes in DC and doing most of my grocery and restaurant spending in DC."

No, they didn't say any of that or even imply it. You are just trying to demonize them to distract from the reality that it is DC residents who are against this plan. What they did was give a first hand account of the commuters you claim will switch to biking. As the multitude of DC residents have said, people aren't biking 10, let alone 20, miles.

[Anonymous]

They should take the billions of dollars they spend on bike lanes that no one uses and plow that money into the subway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

No. DC must understand that its economic well being is based on the professional service businesses that operate downtown. Like NYC, DC needs its business community. Conn Ave has been a commuter road since the early to mid 1900s. If you live near Conn Ave, you know that, and have no reason to complain.

So you support restoring the original configuration of Conn Ave including the 1900 streetcar? Me too!

The argument that DC needs commuter pseudo-highways like Conn Ave in its current state to remain economically viable are a sick joke given what automobile-driven suburbanization actually did to the central core of DC and almost ever other major city in the US. The idea that measures to improve the quality of life for residents of the inner core and surrounding neighborhoods will adversely affect those areas is incredibly peculiar.

"Auto driven suburbanization" didnt destroy the urban core, lol. The urban core was hollowed out by building Federal Triangle in the 50s, desegregation and racial problems in the 60s and 70s, and then Barry's office building obsession in the 80s. Urban development fads and people who claim to know better were the problem.

This proposal has nothing to do with the urban core. So that's irrelevant anyway. Upper NW was only developed in the first place because of the automobile shortening time, distance and topography barriers.

Oh, that’s right, 295 / 395 / 695 were build on vacant land, weren’t they? And bifurcating neighborhoods with giant expressways does wonders for their vitality, am I right? Do you have any more falsehoods you’d like to peddle here today?

There are some valid concerns to be raised about the proposal - many of which can be addressed through simple tweaks - but the argument that the DC government should prioritize a convenient commute for those in rural MD who avoid the Metro as a political statement over the safety of those who pay for the roads and want to get around their city in a cheap and environmentally-friendly manner is not one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:They should take the billions of dollars they spend on bike lanes that no one uses and plow that money into the subway.

The billions that were never spent? The billions that you made up?

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Anonymous wrote:Traffic has picked up dramatically on CT Ave, NW in the last two weeks. More people are returning to work.

I don’t see how taking away lanes can possibly help.

You know the part of southbound CT across from Comet Ping Pong Pizza that still has cafe seating in the far lane? That creates a bottleneck every day.

Car traffic will never get better. the region grows, more people living in the 'burbs means more cars and more cars coming in to DC. We cannot build more lanes to handle those cars. We need to do something different, and thus are.

The 1950's transportation planning simply doesn't work. Europe and Asia have shown how to do it, so that is what we need to do.

But how does this improve the situation?

People aren’t going to magically hop on bikes. They just won’t. First of all, this isn’t a warm weather area. It snows. It rains.

People live too far from their offices. Bikes just aren’t practical. Neither are buses.

Aren’t practical for who? The *majority* of DC commuters do not drive, but either take transit or bike into the office.

I have live and worked in DC since the early 2000s. I have never once driven in the office.

You may be addicted to your vehicle. That is OK. It is an affliction that millions of people across the country struggle with. But you don’t need to project it on to everyone else.

Omg…

You live and work in DC.

^^^

I live in MoCo and have commuted to my job in DC for 20* years by car. I’m too far to bike and there’s no simple bus or metro option.

I literally recognize cars and drivers who have commuted the same route for years/decades at the same time.

I honestly am terrified by the obvious lack of awareness by those pushing for this.

You don’t live in DC or pay anything other than sales taxes in DC. But you think you can dictate to DC residents and taxpayers how to do what the roads they pay for. Got it.

I have revelation for you: park and ride. Check it out.

No. DC must understand that its economic well being is based on the professional service businesses that operate downtown. Like NYC, DC needs its business community. Conn Ave has been a commuter road since the early to mid 1900s. If you live near Conn Ave, you know that, and have no reason to complain.

So you support restoring the original configuration of Conn Ave including the 1900 streetcar? Me too!

The argument that DC needs commuter pseudo-highways like Conn Ave in its current state to remain economically viable are a sick joke given what automobile-driven suburbanization actually did to the central core of DC and almost ever other major city in the US. The idea that measures to improve the quality of life for residents of the inner core and surrounding neighborhoods will adversely affect those areas is incredibly peculiar.

"Auto driven suburbanization" didnt destroy the urban core, lol. The urban core was hollowed out by building Federal Triangle in the 50s, desegregation and racial problems in the 60s and 70s, and then Barry's office building obsession in the 80s. Urban development fads and people who claim to know better were the problem.

This proposal has nothing to do with the urban core. So that's irrelevant anyway. Upper NW was only developed in the first place because of the automobile shortening time, distance and topography barriers.

Connecticut Avenue, literally the stretch from Calvert to Western which is the subject of this thread, was built by the Chevy Chase Land Company which ran a streetcar line to the turnaround at the end of the Avenue. It was literally a streetcar, and not automobile, suburb of downtown DC.