Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Jeez. I had read about the fact that we had more informants than usual being compromised. Do you really think it’s connected to Trump? If so, no wonder even the cautious Garland had to act.

What are republican (members of congress) saying now? I know they were all “FBI overreach” at the beginning but haven’t heard anything recently.

Here is the NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

I realize this is the new fun parlor game right not, but I find the total speculation clickbait irritating. It would be incredibly helpful if someone that had worked extensively in the IC and in or with the White House would come out and talk about the types of information that would routinely be provided to the President, because a list of CIA assets ain't it.

That doesn't mean the President COULDN'T obtain that information, but a request like that would be highly scrutinized and even pushed back on. There's this perception that because the President has classification authority and is cleared to see pretty much all intelligence based on the office that he or she can go fire up a computer and spit out every sensitive piece of information the IC has. That's just not true.

You are way behind on the news if you are asking these questions. the Times article is from October 2021. The names of the people compromised are known to our Intel community. It won't take long to match them up with the files from Mar-A-Lago.

The implication is that Trump had these names, passed them to foreign government(s) and that's how these assets were lost, and then CIA sent a worldwide message to its workforce but didn't know Trump burned the assets. That doesn't make any sense.

That is not the implication.

What we do know: there has been an uptick in the number of intel assets identified in the last few years. There were documents that Trump illegally kept that were marked as HCS - which indicates that the document was classified to protect sources.

What we don’t know: were any of Trump’s documents related to any spies who have been compromised? were any of those documents sold/given to a foreign power? Were any of these documents stolen by foreign govts because of Trump’s carelessness?

So we do not know that there is any connection between Trump and the uptick in damage to our spy network. But given what we do know, it is not an unreasonable question to ask.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when he had that private meeting with Putin, when they both walked into the press conference, Putlin looking calm amd confident, Trump looking downcast and defeated? I wonder if Putin told him to give up names of informants during that meeting, and Trump reluctantly agreed to.

That’s the Occam’s razor for me.

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie is claiming he declassified everything he took (which I don't believe, but anyway...).

Can he even do that for some of the stuff he is alleged to have? Could he just declassify the names of CIA informants or of people under FISA wire tap, take the materials with him when he left off, and then hand it over to, say, the Saudis or Russians?

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Jeez. I had read about the fact that we had more informants than usual being compromised. Do you really think it’s connected to Trump? If so, no wonder even the cautious Garland had to act.

What are republican (members of congress) saying now? I know they were all “FBI overreach” at the beginning but haven’t heard anything recently.

Here is the NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

I realize this is the new fun parlor game right not, but I find the total speculation clickbait irritating. It would be incredibly helpful if someone that had worked extensively in the IC and in or with the White House would come out and talk about the types of information that would routinely be provided to the President, because a list of CIA assets ain't it.

That doesn't mean the President COULDN'T obtain that information, but a request like that would be highly scrutinized and even pushed back on. There's this perception that because the President has classification authority and is cleared to see pretty much all intelligence based on the office that he or she can go fire up a computer and spit out every sensitive piece of information the IC has. That's just not true.

You are way behind on the news if you are asking these questions. the Times article is from October 2021. The names of the people compromised are known to our Intel community. It won't take long to match them up with the files from Mar-A-Lago.

The implication is that Trump had these names, passed them to foreign government(s) and that's how these assets were lost, and then CIA sent a worldwide message to its workforce but didn't know Trump burned the assets. That doesn't make any sense.

That is not the implication.

What we do know: there has been an uptick in the number of intel assets identified in the last few years. There were documents that Trump illegally kept that were marked as HCS - which indicates that the document was classified to protect sources.

What we don’t know: were any of Trump’s documents related to any spies who have been compromised? were any of those documents sold/given to a foreign power? Were any of these documents stolen by foreign govts because of Trump’s carelessness?

So we do not know that there is any connection between Trump and the uptick in damage to our spy network. But given what we do know, it is not an unreasonable question to ask.

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The twitter link was incorrectly embedded. So here it is:

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I will offer a contrarian view. Trump suffers from a form of narcissistic personality disorder. He was the president and who was anyone else to tell him that he wasn’t allowed to keep “his documents” relating to something he may have considered to be a success of his presidency. So he started to hoard things — including classified materials — with the thought that successive administrations would not give him the credit he thought he deserved. Was it unlawful? Yes. Was it incredibly irresponsible? Yes. Did he put US secrets at risk? Almost certainly. Has he improperly shared classified information in the past? No doubt. But do I think he was selling national intelligence secrets? No.

Has this been the case, DOJ would not have handled the matter with the care and patience it did. It would come as no surprise to anyone that Trump did not turn over presidential records that became the property of NARA on 1/20/21. Something like the infamous Sharpie hurricane map. It was no secret he had aides remove boxes from the West Wing to the residence during the course of January. And senior staff attempted to discuss his legal obligations to surrender documents during that same period.

After repeated efforts to recover the documents, a grand jury was empaneled to subpoena the missing presidential records. Only then was there a recognition that Trump had taken voluminous classified material. And it would subsequently be discovered that his attorneys lied about the possession of such material all-the-while there was no meaningful effort to secure material tossed in boxes with raincoats and golf balls. But Trump was fully aware of the importance of some of the material. It’s the reason that boxes continued to be moved in and out of the storage area and some were found in the closet of his private office suite.

But we still have no indication that Trump was seeking to affirmatively misuse the material for personal or political gain. The time allowed to pass between May and August doesn’t seem to support this was the case. Nonetheless the counterintelligence professionals couldn’t have been happy about Orban visiting MAL earlier in the month and other foreign contacts that have not been made public. Let’s hope this was ultimately more a matter of securing positive control over the material and not something more sinister.

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Anonymous wrote:I will offer a contrarian view. Trump suffers from a form of narcissistic personality disorder. He was the president and who was anyone else to tell him that he wasn’t allowed to keep “his documents” relating to something he may have considered to be a success of his presidency. So he started to hoard things — including classified materials — with the thought that successive administrations would not give him the credit he thought he deserved. Was it unlawful? Yes. Was it incredibly irresponsible? Yes. Did he put US secrets at risk? Almost certainly. Has he improperly shared classified information in the past? No doubt. But do I think he was selling national intelligence secrets? No.

Has this been the case, DOJ would not have handled the matter with the care and patience it did. It would come as no surprise to anyone that Trump did not turn over presidential records that became the property of NARA on 1/20/21. Something like the infamous Sharpie hurricane map. It was no secret he had aides remove boxes from the West Wing to the residence during the course of January. And senior staff attempted to discuss his legal obligations to surrender documents during that same period.

After repeated efforts to recover the documents, a grand jury was empaneled to subpoena the missing presidential records. Only then was there a recognition that Trump had taken voluminous classified material. And it would subsequently be discovered that his attorneys lied about the possession of such material all-the-while there was no meaningful effort to secure material tossed in boxes with raincoats and golf balls. But Trump was fully aware of the importance of some of the material. It’s the reason that boxes continued to be moved in and out of the storage area and some were found in the closet of his private office suite.

But we still have no indication that Trump was seeking to affirmatively misuse the material for personal or political gain. The time allowed to pass between May and August doesn’t seem to support this was the case. Nonetheless the counterintelligence professionals couldn’t have been happy about Orban visiting MAL earlier in the month and other foreign contacts that have not been made public. Let’s hope this was ultimately more a matter of securing positive control over the material and not something more sinister.

I don’t even know what to say to this.

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Contrarian: When has Trump ever missed a chance for personal gain? Of course he sold the intel.

Putin/Trump summit commenter. I cannot conceive of Trump being downcast at having been persuaded to give Putin the identities of informants. No way. I think Putin OWNED Trump in that private meeting and Trump completely left with his nuts squoze.

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Trump appointed judge issued order confirming her intention to appoint a Special Master even before DOJ had the opportunity to respond to the “motion” with regard to the supplemental brief filed yesterday. The putative lawsuit hasn’t even been served in accordance with Rule 4.

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Federalist Society and Leonard Leo getting their money’s worth yet again.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump appointed judge issued order confirming her intention to appoint a Special Master even before DOJ had the opportunity to respond to the “motion” with regard to the supplemental brief filed yesterday. The putative lawsuit hasn’t even been served in accordance with Rule 4.

You write so many words
Yet I understand so few of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump appointed judge issued order confirming her intention to appoint a Special Master even before DOJ had the opportunity to respond to the “motion” with regard to the supplemental brief filed yesterday. The putative lawsuit hasn’t even been served in accordance with Rule 4.

You write so many words
Yet I understand so few of them.

Not that PP and IANAL but I thought the Federalist/RWNJ Trump appointee judge is giving Trump access to stuff for his defense that shouldn’t be granted.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump appointed judge issued order confirming her intention to appoint a Special Master even before DOJ had the opportunity to respond to the “motion” with regard to the supplemental brief filed yesterday. The putative lawsuit hasn’t even been served in accordance with Rule 4.

Yes, of course, because it is a Republican judge. As we have seen repeatedly, Trump's appointees care only about advancing his own interest and that of the GOP.

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Couldn’t help but think of the clandestine spill when I saw that two state department employees have died in bike accidents this summer.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state-department-employee-fatally-struck-flatbed-truck-riding/story?id=88935019

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Anonymous wrote:I will offer a contrarian view. Trump suffers from a form of narcissistic personality disorder. He was the president and who was anyone else to tell him that he wasn’t allowed to keep “his documents” relating to something he may have considered to be a success of his presidency. So he started to hoard things — including classified materials — with the thought that successive administrations would not give him the credit he thought he deserved. Was it unlawful? Yes. Was it incredibly irresponsible? Yes. Did he put US secrets at risk? Almost certainly. Has he improperly shared classified information in the past? No doubt. But do I think he was selling national intelligence secrets? No.

Has this been the case, DOJ would not have handled the matter with the care and patience it did. It would come as no surprise to anyone that Trump did not turn over presidential records that became the property of NARA on 1/20/21. Something like the infamous Sharpie hurricane map. It was no secret he had aides remove boxes from the West Wing to the residence during the course of January. And senior staff attempted to discuss his legal obligations to surrender documents during that same period.

After repeated efforts to recover the documents, a grand jury was empaneled to subpoena the missing presidential records. Only then was there a recognition that Trump had taken voluminous classified material. And it would subsequently be discovered that his attorneys lied about the possession of such material all-the-while there was no meaningful effort to secure material tossed in boxes with raincoats and golf balls. But Trump was fully aware of the importance of some of the material. It’s the reason that boxes continued to be moved in and out of the storage area and some were found in the closet of his private office suite.

But we still have no indication that Trump was seeking to affirmatively misuse the material for personal or political gain. The time allowed to pass between May and August doesn’t seem to support this was the case. Nonetheless the counterintelligence professionals couldn’t have been happy about Orban visiting MAL earlier in the month and other foreign contacts that have not been made public. Let’s hope this was ultimately more a matter of securing positive control over the material and not something more sinister.

I don’t even know what to say to this.

Jesus H.

to the long winded PP above, please wake up. Kash Patel already said what they were going to do with the documents. They were going to release them. For political gain. That’s bad enough. It’s always worse than they actually say! Always.

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Anonymous wrote:I will offer a contrarian view. Trump suffers from a form of narcissistic personality disorder. He was the president and who was anyone else to tell him that he wasn’t allowed to keep “his documents” relating to something he may have considered to be a success of his presidency. So he started to hoard things — including classified materials — with the thought that successive administrations would not give him the credit he thought he deserved. Was it unlawful? Yes. Was it incredibly irresponsible? Yes. Did he put US secrets at risk? Almost certainly. Has he improperly shared classified information in the past? No doubt. But do I think he was selling national intelligence secrets? No.

Has this been the case, DOJ would not have handled the matter with the care and patience it did. It would come as no surprise to anyone that Trump did not turn over presidential records that became the property of NARA on 1/20/21. Something like the infamous Sharpie hurricane map. It was no secret he had aides remove boxes from the West Wing to the residence during the course of January. And senior staff attempted to discuss his legal obligations to surrender documents during that same period.

After repeated efforts to recover the documents, a grand jury was empaneled to subpoena the missing presidential records. Only then was there a recognition that Trump had taken voluminous classified material. And it would subsequently be discovered that his attorneys lied about the possession of such material all-the-while there was no meaningful effort to secure material tossed in boxes with raincoats and golf balls. But Trump was fully aware of the importance of some of the material. It’s the reason that boxes continued to be moved in and out of the storage area and some were found in the closet of his private office suite.

But we still have no indication that Trump was seeking to affirmatively misuse the material for personal or political gain. The time allowed to pass between May and August doesn’t seem to support this was the case. Nonetheless the counterintelligence professionals couldn’t have been happy about Orban visiting MAL earlier in the month and other foreign contacts that have not been made public. Let’s hope this was ultimately more a matter of securing positive control over the material and not something more sinister.

I don’t even know what to say to this.

Jesus H.

to the long winded PP above, please wake up. Kash Patel already said what they were going to do with the documents. They were going to release them. For political gain. That’s bad enough. It’s always worse than they actually say! Always.

Trump and his son in law have also remained extremely close to KSA and Israel since leaving off and both countries are very open about wanting to undercut Biden's presidency and see Trump return to office. I would not be surprised if Trump was willing to provide either country with whatever information they wanted to know.