It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do people think they should get in reparations? How "black" does one need to be to get reparations? If I have a great great grandparent that was black, does that mean I get reparations even if I have a Chinese grandparent and three seemingly white other grandparents? Are we going to genetically test people?

She addresses eligibility in her essay.

Perhaps you can share that information then because doing a find on “eligibility” turns up nothing. Again, how much MONEY do you want?

Perhaps you can read it.

It’s a freaking manifesto that’s way TLDR.

It’s filled with great points and data that everyone should read.

But I think that reparations paid to people who are not the ones who were injured is morally and ethically wrong. She doesn't convince me that it is the moral thing to do.

There are social and utilitarian reasons to help black Americans including by such efforts as affirmative action (which has varied over the decades) and preferential hiring as well as the programs for all Americans including public education, welfare, Medicaid and Medicare and Social Security, etc. But targeted reparations to people who were harmed by slavery/the failure of Reconstruction/Jim Crow/redlining/racial discrimination is a mushy concept that is problematic for many reasons, practical (which can be overcome) and ethical.

I disagree with her premise.

Black people in the US today ARE harmed all of the various forms of white supremacy over the past 400 years - from slavery to Jim Crow to redlining to systemic racism.

Time to make amends.

You personally are not harmed by things that happened 400 years ago. Systemic racism TODAY does harm you. I think this is an important distinction that the premise of "reparations" obscures.

[Anonymous]

Bernie Sanders was all about the wealth gap. About welfare of the poor, about bringing some shred of decency to the U.S. wealth distribution. But, corrupt democrats kicked him out so that they can serve Bezos and his ilk. So, while I will vote for Biden, as a lesser evil, much lesser evil, I am not blind to the corruption among democrat politicians.

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie Sanders was all about the wealth gap. About welfare of the poor, about bringing some shred of decency to the U.S. wealth distribution. But, corrupt democrats kicked him out so that they can serve Bezos and his ilk. So, while I will vote for Biden, as a lesser evil, much lesser evil, I am not blind to the corruption among democrat politicians.

90% of Bernie's supporters are Russian. I'm not saying that you are Russian. I'm saying that you should be aware of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Health outcomes have declined for black people since the 1960s. There are theories why that is true today but no one is considering why health outcomes were better for black people in the 50s than today. This author is also not considering it.

Redlining made it more difficult to receive health care, find healthy food options, etc.

Additional current harm.

Incorrect. You need to read up on this.

Why do you think health outcomes declined? Please share your sources.

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie Sanders was all about the wealth gap. About welfare of the poor, about bringing some shred of decency to the U.S. wealth distribution. But, corrupt democrats kicked him out so that they can serve Bezos and his ilk. So, while I will vote for Biden, as a lesser evil, much lesser evil, I am not blind to the corruption among democrat politicians.

Agree. I think we ultimately need a Bernie. But Biden is still 1000000x better than Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie Sanders was all about the wealth gap. About welfare of the poor, about bringing some shred of decency to the U.S. wealth distribution. But, corrupt democrats kicked him out so that they can serve Bezos and his ilk. So, while I will vote for Biden, as a lesser evil, much lesser evil, I am not blind to the corruption among democrat politicians.

90% of Bernie's supporters are Russian. I'm not saying that you are Russian. I'm saying that you should be aware of this.

Where is the data for this? Is this yet another conspiracy theory? All I know is that Bernie was portrayed as some communist when he was truly about a shred of human decency.

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie Sanders was all about the wealth gap. About welfare of the poor, about bringing some shred of decency to the U.S. wealth distribution. But, corrupt democrats kicked him out so that they can serve Bezos and his ilk. So, while I will vote for Biden, as a lesser evil, much lesser evil, I am not blind to the corruption among democrat politicians.

Agree. I think we ultimately need a Bernie. But Biden is still 1000000x better than Trump.

Exactly. We tried, Bernie tried, but it is what it is. Biden was not my choice, but he is what we have.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do people think they should get in reparations? How "black" does one need to be to get reparations? If I have a great great grandparent that was black, does that mean I get reparations even if I have a Chinese grandparent and three seemingly white other grandparents? Are we going to genetically test people?

She addresses eligibility in her essay.

Perhaps you can share that information then because doing a find on “eligibility” turns up nothing. Again, how much MONEY do you want?

Perhaps you can read it.

It’s a freaking manifesto that’s way TLDR.

It’s filled with great points and data that everyone should read.

But I think that reparations paid to people who are not the ones who were injured is morally and ethically wrong. She doesn't convince me that it is the moral thing to do.

There are social and utilitarian reasons to help black Americans including by such efforts as affirmative action (which has varied over the decades) and preferential hiring as well as the programs for all Americans including public education, welfare, Medicaid and Medicare and Social Security, etc. But targeted reparations to people who were harmed by slavery/the failure of Reconstruction/Jim Crow/redlining/racial discrimination is a mushy concept that is problematic for many reasons, practical (which can be overcome) and ethical.

I disagree with her premise.

Black people in the US today ARE harmed all of the various forms of white supremacy over the past 400 years - from slavery to Jim Crow to redlining to systemic racism.

Time to make amends.

You personally are not harmed by things that happened 400 years ago. Systemic racism TODAY does harm you. I think this is an important distinction that the premise of "reparations" obscures.

“Things” started 400 years ago and continue today. White supremacy has evolved over time but has always existed in various ways that harm black people. Even today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again guys, please realize the Blacks never asked for reparations. The American Government suggested this. Blacks are simply asking for what’s owed to them from government.

What if you were promised something that you never received. Wouldn’t you fight for it?

Your reasoning skills need some serious work.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do people think they should get in reparations? How "black" does one need to be to get reparations? If I have a great great grandparent that was black, does that mean I get reparations even if I have a Chinese grandparent and three seemingly white other grandparents? Are we going to genetically test people?

She addresses eligibility in her essay.

Not very well.

She’s pretty clear. Do you disagree with her on eligibility?

I don't think she's very clear. But since you thought she was clear, how would you answer PP's question: How much in reparations would a person with a great, great grandparent who was black, a Chinese grandparent, and three seemingly white other grandparents expect to receive?

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Anonymous wrote:Health outcomes have declined for black people since the 1960s. There are theories why that is true today but no one is considering why health outcomes were better for black people in the 50s than today. This author is also not considering it.

Redlining made it more difficult to receive health care, find healthy food options, etc.

Additional current harm.

Incorrect. You need to read up on this.

Why do you think health outcomes declined? Please share your sources.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/magazine/black-mothers-babies-death-maternal-mortality.html

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Anonymous wrote:How much do people think they should get in reparations? How "black" does one need to be to get reparations? If I have a great great grandparent that was black, does that mean I get reparations even if I have a Chinese grandparent and three seemingly white other grandparents? Are we going to genetically test people?

She addresses eligibility in her essay.

Perhaps you can share that information then because doing a find on “eligibility” turns up nothing. Again, how much MONEY do you want?

Perhaps you can read it.

It’s a freaking manifesto that’s way TLDR.

It’s filled with great points and data that everyone should read.

But I think that reparations paid to people who are not the ones who were injured is morally and ethically wrong. She doesn't convince me that it is the moral thing to do.

There are social and utilitarian reasons to help black Americans including by such efforts as affirmative action (which has varied over the decades) and preferential hiring as well as the programs for all Americans including public education, welfare, Medicaid and Medicare and Social Security, etc. But targeted reparations to people who were harmed by slavery/the failure of Reconstruction/Jim Crow/redlining/racial discrimination is a mushy concept that is problematic for many reasons, practical (which can be overcome) and ethical.

I disagree with her premise.

Black people in the US today ARE harmed all of the various forms of white supremacy over the past 400 years - from slavery to Jim Crow to redlining to systemic racism.

Time to make amends.

You personally are not harmed by things that happened 400 years ago. Systemic racism TODAY does harm you. I think this is an important distinction that the premise of "reparations" obscures.

“Things” started 400 years ago and continue today. White supremacy has evolved over time but has always existed in various ways that harm black people. Even today.

Lot's of "things" started 400 or more years ago and continue today. Four hundred years ago, my ancestors were living in ghettos and forbidden to own property. Where is my reparation? Also 400 years ago, West Africans sold their fellow West Africans into slavery. So do you now collect from West African nations? Or, since black lives here are generally better than there, do you pay them? The wealth of every American today derived from land origonally owned by Indians. After we pay blacks for slavery, do we all give our land back to the Indians?

I could go on and on. I know a lot about history. I love to study it. It's mostly a story of misery, conflict and cruel mistakes. You'd be surprised what sort of things still have an effect today. It's good to learn about these things. But we can't make up for one single second of past misery. We can only fix the present.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie Sanders was all about the wealth gap. About welfare of the poor, about bringing some shred of decency to the U.S. wealth distribution. But, corrupt democrats kicked him out so that they can serve Bezos and his ilk. So, while I will vote for Biden, as a lesser evil, much lesser evil, I am not blind to the corruption among democrat politicians.

Agree. I think we ultimately need a Bernie. But Biden is still 1000000x better than Trump.

+ 1 million Debbie Wasserman Schulz stacked the deck for Hillary and you can see what that's gotten us.

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Time to make amends.

You personally are not harmed by things that happened 400 years ago. Systemic racism TODAY does harm you. I think this is an important distinction that the premise of "reparations" obscures.

That's a good point. Are we trying to remedy current problems or are we trying to atone for past wrongdoing? I mean, you can say "both," but at some point the remedy for current problems might be at odds with atoning for past wrongdoing -- you'll have to know whether which priority to favor in that situation.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do people think they should get in reparations? How "black" does one need to be to get reparations? If I have a great great grandparent that was black, does that mean I get reparations even if I have a Chinese grandparent and three seemingly white other grandparents? Are we going to genetically test people?

She addresses eligibility in her essay.

Not very well.

She’s pretty clear. Do you disagree with her on eligibility?

I don't think she's very clear. But since you thought she was clear, how would you answer PP's question: How much in reparations would a person with a great, great grandparent who was black, a Chinese grandparent, and three seemingly white other grandparents expect to receive?

None. Such a person would identify as white and therefore be ineligible.