Heated Rivalry (Crave/HBO-Max)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes everyone is obsessed with them. Even the Olympics. They’ll be torch bearers.

The Olympics are ancient Greeks’ idea, so it is fitting to have two Greek gods carrying the torch! 🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Author: "It's hockey smut"
Director: "its sexy, horny, fun"
Lead actors get matching tattoos: "Sex sells"

DCUM: "This is a very deep, nuanced literary work of art that requires a contextual text analysis to breakdown the layers and is beyond the understanding of the casual viewer"[/quote

DP but I think the point is it is hockey smut but it’s not just hockey smut. Rachel Reid has said she doesn’t mind people saying it’s smut as long as you’re aren’t being reductive and dismissive when you say that.

It can be sexy, horny fun and also have real emotions. That’s what people like about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Author: "It's hockey smut"
Director: "its sexy, horny, fun"
Lead actors get matching tattoos: "Sex sells"

DCUM: "This is a very deep, nuanced literary work of art that requires a contextual text analysis to breakdown the layers and is beyond the understanding of the casual viewer"[/quote

DP but I think the point is it is hockey smut but it’s not just hockey smut. Rachel Reid has said she doesn’t mind people saying it’s smut as long as you’re aren’t being reductive and dismissive when you say that.

It can be sexy, horny fun and also have real emotions. That’s what people like about it.

Everything written for women, from romcoms to porn has that. They know that women viewers want long periods of eye contact, eyes tearing up, toes touching, I love yous, feeling wanted, physical affection and cuddling, a sob story, overcoming because you are so special, etc. This formula has been used a million times in film and TV.

It was well worth a watch - it had good direction and acting and great bodies and a currently hot storyline (gay love and manly sport) that held attention - but is it some deep literary and cinematic classic that transcends all - no.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one would accept this show if it was hetero.

They would feel the woman was being used and abused by the Ilya character. He just wants her for sex when they are in town - and sleeps with lots of other women as well. Ghosts her by text then expects her to just be there and go down on him at his beck and call. And this goes on for years? He would he an absolutely hated character if Shane's character was a woman.

Not really. You missed the plot entirely. It is subtle and well acted. They are both in love but also so scared that they love each other. Everything they do is consensual, and Ilya seeks consent and reassures Shane often, which I found very attractive. Shane initiates hookups too, so their situationship is not driven by one party. E.g., “Feel like getting murdered in a dark alley in Mtrl in 2 weeks?”, the couch scene etc. Ilya had a whole day of domestic bliss planned for him at his Boston apt but then Shane freaked out when he called him by his first name after sex and then Ilya is practically begging him to stay. This scene showed that Ilya was down bad and ready to move the relationship to the next level, but it’s Shane who is pulling back. One is on the spectrum and the other carries a lot of baggage and trauma, so they are not great communicators, but they are definitely not using and abusing each other as you wrote. Neither had any interest in going public because of the stigma for gay players in the NHL and because Ilya’s family and country would disown him. Also, they were teenagers when they fell for each other and needed to grow up, mature but also solidify their name in hockey before they could move to the next level.

Their yearning, egos, lack of good communication - very reminiscent of Pride & Prejudice. The young secret lovers from rival teams who fear the repercussions remind me of Romeo & Juliet. It’s a great love story.

Thanks for your chat GPT summary but I didn't miss the plot. I am saying that if you substituted a woman into the plot in place of Shane, Ilya would be perceived very differently. No, people don't see two men as using and abusing each other but if you had the same plot and scenes with a woman, they would. And the Shane character isn't on the spectrum, the author has confirmed that! That was made up by people online but really just shows that most don't understand what autism is. Being a bit socially awkward isn't autism.

You're both missing the point. You can't just "swap the story to hetero" because the entire crux of the plot is the societal and internal homophobia they are trying to navigate, which does not exist for hetero couples. To a large extent, the "abuses" they inflict on each other are a product of a homophobic society so treating each other the way they'd like too is off the table, leaving only the furtive options you see in the show.

[Anonymous]

the long distance phone call in episode 5. wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one would accept this show if it was hetero.

They would feel the woman was being used and abused by the Ilya character. He just wants her for sex when they are in town - and sleeps with lots of other women as well. Ghosts her by text then expects her to just be there and go down on him at his beck and call. And this goes on for years? He would he an absolutely hated character if Shane's character was a woman.

Not really. You missed the plot entirely. It is subtle and well acted. They are both in love but also so scared that they love each other. Everything they do is consensual, and Ilya seeks consent and reassures Shane often, which I found very attractive. Shane initiates hookups too, so their situationship is not driven by one party. E.g., “Feel like getting murdered in a dark alley in Mtrl in 2 weeks?”, the couch scene etc. Ilya had a whole day of domestic bliss planned for him at his Boston apt but then Shane freaked out when he called him by his first name after sex and then Ilya is practically begging him to stay. This scene showed that Ilya was down bad and ready to move the relationship to the next level, but it’s Shane who is pulling back. One is on the spectrum and the other carries a lot of baggage and trauma, so they are not great communicators, but they are definitely not using and abusing each other as you wrote. Neither had any interest in going public because of the stigma for gay players in the NHL and because Ilya’s family and country would disown him. Also, they were teenagers when they fell for each other and needed to grow up, mature but also solidify their name in hockey before they could move to the next level.

Their yearning, egos, lack of good communication - very reminiscent of Pride & Prejudice. The young secret lovers from rival teams who fear the repercussions remind me of Romeo & Juliet. It’s a great love story.

Thanks for your chat GPT summary but I didn't miss the plot. I am saying that if you substituted a woman into the plot in place of Shane, Ilya would be perceived very differently. No, people don't see two men as using and abusing each other but if you had the same plot and scenes with a woman, they would. And the Shane character isn't on the spectrum, the author has confirmed that! That was made up by people online but really just shows that most don't understand what autism is. Being a bit socially awkward isn't autism.

You're both missing the point. You can't just "swap the story to hetero" because the entire crux of the plot is the societal and internal homophobia they are trying to navigate, which does not exist for hetero couples. To a large extent, the "abuses" they inflict on each other are a product of a homophobic society so treating each other the way they'd like too is off the table, leaving only the furtive options you see in the show.

Agreed. The author had to create a 'scary' backdrop to get the sob story, victim effect that draws women in. If she had set it in a theatre camp, it wouldn't have had the same effect! It is why so many women watch soaps. They exaggerate the taboos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the long distance phone call in episode 5. wow.

He had to memorize 7 pages of script in Russian!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the long distance phone call in episode 5. wow.

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So impressive! I speak Russian fluently and didn't notice his slight accent; I was completely wrapped in his emotions. Powerful story telling, that whole episode. Possibly the best 50 minutes of TV I have seen in years.

[Anonymous]

I cried, laughed, and cried some more during this show. Ugh. Simply beautiful. The actors were natural and believable. The cutest couple with the hottest sex!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would watch but gay sex is cringe for me to watch. Is there a lot of it?

It’s pretty raunchy, lol. There are short clips circulating on Twitter.

You can be naughty, sultry, hot, sexy, tender with your lover and madly in love, all at the same time. In fact, it’s best if you are. I don’t understand why there are 18 pages of arguing whether the show is raunchy smut or a love story and an emotional tear jerker. It’s both, and I love that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would watch but gay sex is cringe for me to watch. Is there a lot of it?

It’s pretty raunchy, lol. There are short clips circulating on Twitter.

You can be naughty, sultry, hot, sexy, tender with your lover and madly in love, all at the same time. In fact, it’s best if you are. I don’t understand why there are 18 pages of arguing whether the show is raunchy smut or a love story and an emotional tear jerker. It’s both, and I love that.

Shhhhh, if the men find out we can shapeshift, they’re going to tell the Church!”

[Anonymous]

The unbelievable acting and chemistry makes this show/story/love so addictive. I am re-watching it as we speak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Author: "It's hockey smut"
Director: "its sexy, horny, fun"
Lead actors get matching tattoos: "Sex sells"

DCUM: "This is a very deep, nuanced literary work of art that requires a contextual text analysis to breakdown the layers and is beyond the understanding of the casual viewer"

Hudson Williams, the actor who plays Shane, said in a CNN interview recently that yah, the smut is what lures people to watch the show initially, but "I think they stay for the tender romance at the center. There is a lot of yearning, and these men are forced to communicate with each other, which is a little unheard of." I think it is spot on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3AyIbtLQ5o

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the long distance phone call in episode 5. wow.

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So impressive! I speak Russian fluently and didn't notice his slight accent; I was completely wrapped in his emotions. Powerful story telling, that whole episode. Possibly the best 50 minutes of TV I have seen in years.

The phone call was so well done top to bottom. No sex, no English spoken and so compelling. I just wish I'd noticed a tear in Shane's eye or a catch in his voice - because if I'm crying then he should be too.

[Anonymous]

"I'm coming to the cottage" 💀