Is Cornell really still the "worst" ivy?

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Anonymous wrote:The constant comparing on DCUM makes me question why I keep coming back here. It's boorish. And tiresome.

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This place is full of people who have many opinions, most of which are wildly incorrect. It is inhabited by incredibly insecure people desperate for 'prestige' in the belief that without it a kid is doomed. They also fail to understand that the main driver for rejection to one of these prized piggies is scarcity not a lack of ability. It is like a slow motion trainwreck.

Yeah, I would like to meet some of these people in person because I can’t think of anyone I know that thinks or talks like the people here.

I do know a Cornell engineering mom that is exactly insecure like this. "CALS is a state school." "Cornell engineering is the best among ivies." All CALS moms stay away from her. Sad.

Huh? CALS *is* a state school and Cornell engineering *is* the best in the IL. How is stating those facts “insecure”? DP.

Troll.

As long as we are okay “stating the facts”, Cornell engineering is far below CMU and UIUC. Kids who don’t get in good engineering programs go to Cornell. Purdue level.

Truth hurts?

Engineers are trained, not educated. They should all go to state schools (except for MIT and Caltech kids maybe). Most engineers are basically the same as accountants only with slightly better math skills.

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Anonymous wrote:The constant comparing on DCUM makes me question why I keep coming back here. It's boorish. And tiresome.

100%

This place is full of people who have many opinions, most of which are wildly incorrect. It is inhabited by incredibly insecure people desperate for 'prestige' in the belief that without it a kid is doomed. They also fail to understand that the main driver for rejection to one of these prized piggies is scarcity not a lack of ability. It is like a slow motion trainwreck.

Yeah, I would like to meet some of these people in person because I can’t think of anyone I know that thinks or talks like the people here.

I do know a Cornell engineering mom that is exactly insecure like this. "CALS is a state school." "Cornell engineering is the best among ivies." All CALS moms stay away from her. Sad.

Huh? CALS *is* a state school and Cornell engineering *is* the best in the IL. How is stating those facts “insecure”? DP.

Troll.

As long as we are okay “stating the facts”, Cornell engineering is far below CMU and UIUC. Kids who don’t get in good engineering programs go to Cornell. Purdue level.

Truth hurts?

Purdue is a good engineering program. Your view of the truth is extremely warped.

It's not about disparaging Cornell engineering. It's just stating the facts. Purdue of course is a good program. Aerospace engineering there, for example, is top notch.

Which "state school" charges in-state resident 44K? Tell me. That's about what UC charges OOS!

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I think Cornell is the Ivy that is least differentiated from strong public universities.

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NP here. I didn’t read the whole thread, but was wondering if Cornell tends to attract kids who are academically talented, but also march to their own beat socially?

I know five people in different areas of my life who are Cornell grads and while they’re all very book smart and have good jobs, they seem to all be a bit socially awkward. I agree that it’s an excellent school in the academic realm, but definitely a small trend I’ve noticed.

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Anonymous wrote:The constant comparing on DCUM makes me question why I keep coming back here. It's boorish. And tiresome.

100%

This place is full of people who have many opinions, most of which are wildly incorrect. It is inhabited by incredibly insecure people desperate for 'prestige' in the belief that without it a kid is doomed. They also fail to understand that the main driver for rejection to one of these prized piggies is scarcity not a lack of ability. It is like a slow motion trainwreck.

Yeah, I would like to meet some of these people in person because I can’t think of anyone I know that thinks or talks like the people here.

I do know a Cornell engineering mom that is exactly insecure like this. "CALS is a state school." "Cornell engineering is the best among ivies." All CALS moms stay away from her. Sad.

Huh? CALS *is* a state school and Cornell engineering *is* the best in the IL. How is stating those facts “insecure”? DP.

Troll.

As long as we are okay “stating the facts”, Cornell engineering is far below CMU and UIUC. Kids who don’t get in good engineering programs go to Cornell. Purdue level.

Truth hurts?

Engineers are trained, not educated. They should all go to state schools (except for MIT and Caltech kids maybe). Most engineers are basically the same as accountants only with slightly better math skills.

You do not understand the broad field that engineering is, and clearly never took undergraduate courses in stem.
Physics, Chem, Calc are an education. They are the same classes premeds take, but engineers have to add the higher level sciences in physics and chem(thermo, quantum chemistry, fluid mechanics). I suppose Doctors are not educated either? Engineering is not ITT TECH community college type tinkering with wires and learning google-sheets classes.
It is basically taking most classes needed for a physics major PLUS half the classes needed for chem and math majors, throw in some BIO for the BMEs and add extra programming for the CompEngineers. Do you consider physics and chem majors to be "trained" not educated? Do you think all science majors should "just go to a state school"?
The reason many choose stanford or ivies or hopkins for engineering is they want to go to the highest level E-jobs: the head of labs, research & development industry jobs, and some academic research. You need a phD for these. 30% of ivy/stanford Engineering cohorts go on to PhD. That is not the same goals as the average engineer and a regional state school who just wants to work a mid-level engineering job. Just like ivy grads rarely go into accounting or basic banking desk jobs. Econ majors from top schools go into much higher level jobs than the average accountants from state schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The constant comparing on DCUM makes me question why I keep coming back here. It's boorish. And tiresome.

100%

This place is full of people who have many opinions, most of which are wildly incorrect. It is inhabited by incredibly insecure people desperate for 'prestige' in the belief that without it a kid is doomed. They also fail to understand that the main driver for rejection to one of these prized piggies is scarcity not a lack of ability. It is like a slow motion trainwreck.

Yeah, I would like to meet some of these people in person because I can’t think of anyone I know that thinks or talks like the people here.

I do know a Cornell engineering mom that is exactly insecure like this. "CALS is a state school." "Cornell engineering is the best among ivies." All CALS moms stay away from her. Sad.

Huh? CALS *is* a state school and Cornell engineering *is* the best in the IL. How is stating those facts “insecure”? DP.

Troll.

As long as we are okay “stating the facts”, Cornell engineering is far below CMU and UIUC. Kids who don’t get in good engineering programs go to Cornell. Purdue level.

Truth hurts?

Engineers are trained, not educated. They should all go to state schools (except for MIT and Caltech kids maybe). Most engineers are basically the same as accountants only with slightly better math skills.

You do not understand the broad field that engineering is, and clearly never took undergraduate courses in stem.
Physics, Chem, Calc are an education. They are the same classes premeds take, but engineers have to add the higher level sciences in physics and chem(thermo, quantum chemistry, fluid mechanics). I suppose Doctors are not educated either? Engineering is not ITT TECH community college type tinkering with wires and learning google-sheets classes.
It is basically taking most classes needed for a physics major PLUS half the classes needed for chem and math majors, throw in some BIO for the BMEs and add extra programming for the CompEngineers. Do you consider physics and chem majors to be "trained" not educated? Do you think all science majors should "just go to a state school"?
The reason many choose stanford or ivies or hopkins for engineering is they want to go to the highest level E-jobs: the head of labs, research & development industry jobs, and some academic research. You need a phD for these. 30% of ivy/stanford Engineering cohorts go on to PhD. That is not the same goals as the average engineer and a regional state school who just wants to work a mid-level engineering job. Just like ivy grads rarely go into accounting or basic banking desk jobs. Econ majors from top schools go into much higher level jobs than the average accountants from state schools.

I was with you until you said that engineering is mostly a physics major. It absolutely is not! You don’t take any upper div physics, which is the beginning of the actual intensive physics work. Taking intro stat mech/Quantum (do engineers even take quantum?), intro E&M/Mech is the intro sequence to physics.

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Anonymous wrote:The constant comparing on DCUM makes me question why I keep coming back here. It's boorish. And tiresome.

100%

This place is full of people who have many opinions, most of which are wildly incorrect. It is inhabited by incredibly insecure people desperate for 'prestige' in the belief that without it a kid is doomed. They also fail to understand that the main driver for rejection to one of these prized piggies is scarcity not a lack of ability. It is like a slow motion trainwreck.

Yeah, I would like to meet some of these people in person because I can’t think of anyone I know that thinks or talks like the people here.

I do know a Cornell engineering mom that is exactly insecure like this. "CALS is a state school." "Cornell engineering is the best among ivies." All CALS moms stay away from her. Sad.

Huh? CALS *is* a state school and Cornell engineering *is* the best in the IL. How is stating those facts “insecure”? DP.

Troll.

As long as we are okay “stating the facts”, Cornell engineering is far below CMU and UIUC. Kids who don’t get in good engineering programs go to Cornell. Purdue level.

Truth hurts?

Purdue is a good engineering program. Your view of the truth is extremely warped.

It's not about disparaging Cornell engineering. It's just stating the facts. Purdue of course is a good program. Aerospace engineering there, for example, is top notch.

Which "state school" charges in-state resident 44K? Tell me. That's about what UC charges OOS!

UVA charges IN-state residents 51k for undergrad engineering, tuition/room/board/fees.

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Anonymous wrote:The constant comparing on DCUM makes me question why I keep coming back here. It's boorish. And tiresome.

100%

This place is full of people who have many opinions, most of which are wildly incorrect. It is inhabited by incredibly insecure people desperate for 'prestige' in the belief that without it a kid is doomed. They also fail to understand that the main driver for rejection to one of these prized piggies is scarcity not a lack of ability. It is like a slow motion trainwreck.

Yeah, I would like to meet some of these people in person because I can’t think of anyone I know that thinks or talks like the people here.

I do know a Cornell engineering mom that is exactly insecure like this. "CALS is a state school." "Cornell engineering is the best among ivies." All CALS moms stay away from her. Sad.

Huh? CALS *is* a state school and Cornell engineering *is* the best in the IL. How is stating those facts “insecure”? DP.

Troll.

As long as we are okay “stating the facts”, Cornell engineering is far below CMU and UIUC. Kids who don’t get in good engineering programs go to Cornell. Purdue level.

Truth hurts?

Engineers are trained, not educated. They should all go to state schools (except for MIT and Caltech kids maybe). Most engineers are basically the same as accountants only with slightly better math skills.

You do not understand the broad field that engineering is, and clearly never took undergraduate courses in stem.
Physics, Chem, Calc are an education. They are the same classes premeds take, but engineers have to add the higher level sciences in physics and chem(thermo, quantum chemistry, fluid mechanics). I suppose Doctors are not educated either? Engineering is not ITT TECH community college type tinkering with wires and learning google-sheets classes.
It is basically taking most classes needed for a physics major PLUS half the classes needed for chem and math majors, throw in some BIO for the BMEs and add extra programming for the CompEngineers. Do you consider physics and chem majors to be "trained" not educated? Do you think all science majors should "just go to a state school"?
The reason many choose stanford or ivies or hopkins for engineering is they want to go to the highest level E-jobs: the head of labs, research & development industry jobs, and some academic research. You need a phD for these. 30% of ivy/stanford Engineering cohorts go on to PhD. That is not the same goals as the average engineer and a regional state school who just wants to work a mid-level engineering job. Just like ivy grads rarely go into accounting or basic banking desk jobs. Econ majors from top schools go into much higher level jobs than the average accountants from state schools.

I was with you until you said that engineering is mostly a physics major. It absolutely is not! You don’t take any upper div physics, which is the beginning of the actual intensive physics work. Taking intro stat mech/Quantum (do engineers even take quantum?), intro E&M/Mech is the intro sequence to physics.

My engineer (mechE) takes all but two courses needed for the physics major. They are cross-listed under physics and Engineering. MaterialsE needs many of them too.

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Worst ivy is Penn. just pre professional kids. Just duds.

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^agree quantum is only the beginning, but yes most definitely required

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Anonymous wrote:Worst ivy is Penn. just pre professional kids. Just duds.

Where did you go to school? Clearly somewhere that didn't teach decency and class. I would like to know so as not to send my child there.

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Anonymous wrote:The constant comparing on DCUM makes me question why I keep coming back here. It's boorish. And tiresome.

100%

This place is full of people who have many opinions, most of which are wildly incorrect. It is inhabited by incredibly insecure people desperate for 'prestige' in the belief that without it a kid is doomed. They also fail to understand that the main driver for rejection to one of these prized piggies is scarcity not a lack of ability. It is like a slow motion trainwreck.

Yeah, I would like to meet some of these people in person because I can’t think of anyone I know that thinks or talks like the people here.

I do know a Cornell engineering mom that is exactly insecure like this. "CALS is a state school." "Cornell engineering is the best among ivies." All CALS moms stay away from her. Sad.

Huh? CALS *is* a state school and Cornell engineering *is* the best in the IL. How is stating those facts “insecure”? DP.

Troll.

As long as we are okay “stating the facts”, Cornell engineering is far below CMU and UIUC. Kids who don’t get in good engineering programs go to Cornell. Purdue level.

Truth hurts?

Purdue is a good engineering program. Your view of the truth is extremely warped.

It's not about disparaging Cornell engineering. It's just stating the facts. Purdue of course is a good program. Aerospace engineering there, for example, is top notch.

Which "state school" charges in-state resident 44K? Tell me. That's about what UC charges OOS!

Come again? UCLA charges $43K for in-state and $80K for OOS.
https://admission.ucla.edu/tuition-aid/tuition-fees

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Anonymous wrote:The constant comparing on DCUM makes me question why I keep coming back here. It's boorish. And tiresome.

100%

This place is full of people who have many opinions, most of which are wildly incorrect. It is inhabited by incredibly insecure people desperate for 'prestige' in the belief that without it a kid is doomed. They also fail to understand that the main driver for rejection to one of these prized piggies is scarcity not a lack of ability. It is like a slow motion trainwreck.

Yeah, I would like to meet some of these people in person because I can’t think of anyone I know that thinks or talks like the people here.

I do know a Cornell engineering mom that is exactly insecure like this. "CALS is a state school." "Cornell engineering is the best among ivies." All CALS moms stay away from her. Sad.

Huh? CALS *is* a state school and Cornell engineering *is* the best in the IL. How is stating those facts “insecure”? DP.

Troll.

As long as we are okay “stating the facts”, Cornell engineering is far below CMU and UIUC. Kids who don’t get in good engineering programs go to Cornell. Purdue level.

Truth hurts?

Engineers are trained, not educated. They should all go to state schools (except for MIT and Caltech kids maybe). Most engineers are basically the same as accountants only with slightly better math skills.

You do not understand the broad field that engineering is, and clearly never took undergraduate courses in stem.
Physics, Chem, Calc are an education. They are the same classes premeds take, but engineers have to add the higher level sciences in physics and chem(thermo, quantum chemistry, fluid mechanics). I suppose Doctors are not educated either? Engineering is not ITT TECH community college type tinkering with wires and learning google-sheets classes.
It is basically taking most classes needed for a physics major PLUS half the classes needed for chem and math majors, throw in some BIO for the BMEs and add extra programming for the CompEngineers. Do you consider physics and chem majors to be "trained" not educated? Do you think all science majors should "just go to a state school"?
The reason many choose stanford or ivies or hopkins for engineering is they want to go to the highest level E-jobs: the head of labs, research & development industry jobs, and some academic research. You need a phD for these. 30% of ivy/stanford Engineering cohorts go on to PhD. That is not the same goals as the average engineer and a regional state school who just wants to work a mid-level engineering job. Just like ivy grads rarely go into accounting or basic banking desk jobs. Econ majors from top schools go into much higher level jobs than the average accountants from state schools.

I was with you until you said that engineering is mostly a physics major. It absolutely is not! You don’t take any upper div physics, which is the beginning of the actual intensive physics work. Taking intro stat mech/Quantum (do engineers even take quantum?), intro E&M/Mech is the intro sequence to physics.

My engineer (mechE) takes all but two courses needed for the physics major. They are cross-listed under physics and Engineering. MaterialsE needs many of them too.

That must be a very poorly crafted physics major.

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Anonymous wrote:The constant comparing on DCUM makes me question why I keep coming back here. It's boorish. And tiresome.

100%

This place is full of people who have many opinions, most of which are wildly incorrect. It is inhabited by incredibly insecure people desperate for 'prestige' in the belief that without it a kid is doomed. They also fail to understand that the main driver for rejection to one of these prized piggies is scarcity not a lack of ability. It is like a slow motion trainwreck.

Yeah, I would like to meet some of these people in person because I can’t think of anyone I know that thinks or talks like the people here.

I do know a Cornell engineering mom that is exactly insecure like this. "CALS is a state school." "Cornell engineering is the best among ivies." All CALS moms stay away from her. Sad.

Huh? CALS *is* a state school and Cornell engineering *is* the best in the IL. How is stating those facts “insecure”? DP.

Troll.

As long as we are okay “stating the facts”, Cornell engineering is far below CMU and UIUC. Kids who don’t get in good engineering programs go to Cornell. Purdue level.

Truth hurts?

Engineers are trained, not educated. They should all go to state schools (except for MIT and Caltech kids maybe). Most engineers are basically the same as accountants only with slightly better math skills.

You do not understand the broad field that engineering is, and clearly never took undergraduate courses in stem.
Physics, Chem, Calc are an education. They are the same classes premeds take, but engineers have to add the higher level sciences in physics and chem(thermo, quantum chemistry, fluid mechanics). I suppose Doctors are not educated either? Engineering is not ITT TECH community college type tinkering with wires and learning google-sheets classes.
It is basically taking most classes needed for a physics major PLUS half the classes needed for chem and math majors, throw in some BIO for the BMEs and add extra programming for the CompEngineers. Do you consider physics and chem majors to be "trained" not educated? Do you think all science majors should "just go to a state school"?
The reason many choose stanford or ivies or hopkins for engineering is they want to go to the highest level E-jobs: the head of labs, research & development industry jobs, and some academic research. You need a phD for these. 30% of ivy/stanford Engineering cohorts go on to PhD. That is not the same goals as the average engineer and a regional state school who just wants to work a mid-level engineering job. Just like ivy grads rarely go into accounting or basic banking desk jobs. Econ majors from top schools go into much higher level jobs than the average accountants from state schools.

I was with you until you said that engineering is mostly a physics major. It absolutely is not! You don’t take any upper div physics, which is the beginning of the actual intensive physics work. Taking intro stat mech/Quantum (do engineers even take quantum?), intro E&M/Mech is the intro sequence to physics.

My engineer (mechE) takes all but two courses needed for the physics major. They are cross-listed under physics and Engineering. MaterialsE needs many of them too.

That must be a very poorly crafted physics major.

+1, where is this? Most engineering majors are nowhere near a physics major.

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Anonymous wrote:The constant comparing on DCUM makes me question why I keep coming back here. It's boorish. And tiresome.

100%

This place is full of people who have many opinions, most of which are wildly incorrect. It is inhabited by incredibly insecure people desperate for 'prestige' in the belief that without it a kid is doomed. They also fail to understand that the main driver for rejection to one of these prized piggies is scarcity not a lack of ability. It is like a slow motion trainwreck.

Yeah, I would like to meet some of these people in person because I can’t think of anyone I know that thinks or talks like the people here.

I do know a Cornell engineering mom that is exactly insecure like this. "CALS is a state school." "Cornell engineering is the best among ivies." All CALS moms stay away from her. Sad.

Huh? CALS *is* a state school and Cornell engineering *is* the best in the IL. How is stating those facts “insecure”? DP.

Troll.

As long as we are okay “stating the facts”, Cornell engineering is far below CMU and UIUC. Kids who don’t get in good engineering programs go to Cornell. Purdue level.

Truth hurts?

Purdue is a good engineering program. Your view of the truth is extremely warped.

It's not about disparaging Cornell engineering. It's just stating the facts. Purdue of course is a good program. Aerospace engineering there, for example, is top notch.

Which "state school" charges in-state resident 44K? Tell me. That's about what UC charges OOS!

Come again? UCLA charges $43K for in-state and $80K for OOS.
https://admission.ucla.edu/tuition-aid/tuition-fees

In-state tuition is $15,700 for UCLA. PP is not being precise with language. $43k is total cost of attendance.