Do parents choose Latin/BASIS over Deal/J-R?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, but the fact remains that these aren't great options as compared to the best options in the near burbs, not even close.

Our family keeps in close touch with friends who moved from Cap Hill to MoCo, Arlington and Fairfax for schools. We also visit their kids' schools now and again for sporting events, competitions, high school musicals and the like.

It's clear to me that none of our public high school options in the District--BASIS, Latin, DCI, Walls, J-R--can touch these suburban programs on any level. Top suburban schools might as well be on a different planet. If you never tour suburban schools and aren't familiar with their offerings, this fact may be lost on you. I'm particularly jealous of honors middle school classes across the board in Arlington and Fairfax.

I've been shown printouts from suburban high schools listing more than 100 serious sounding electives any student can take. None of you ask yourselves how BASIS, Latin, DCI, J-R and Walls compare because....moving to the burbs for high school is a fate worse than death or what?

Whoever wrote this knows nothing about J-R.

I don’t doubt some suburban schools have more electives…but that’s a small consideration in selecting a high school.

For kids taking rigorous, 10+ AP schedules plus PE, art and music requirements…there aren’t many slots left for electives. There are really no slots if you are in a JR academy like engineering as you are essentially taking those classes as electives.

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Anonymous wrote:Latin kicks DCI’s ass.

Full stop.

Lol ok.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Latin posters can believe it or not.

But Latin is known in DCI circles as the weaker school with limited offerings.

Same with CH IB families looking at Basis and Latin. Latin for the weaker kids. Got a top performing star, it’s Basis. Got a middle of the road kid, it’s Latin.

I guess what I’m trying to say is… DCI isn’t know in Latin circles. It was never a consideration.

That makes total sense to me as a DCI parent. And it also makes sense to me that the kids who struggled with the challenge of languages do well in Latin where the foreign language program is very poor. And it also makes sense to me that the weakest kids at my kids’immersion elementary were super happy to leave to a school without a rigorous IB curriculum. And it’s also great that dci accommodates kids who are weaker at language/not strong academically and accommodates those children who are brilliant academically.

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Anonymous wrote:Latin posters can believe it or not.

But Latin is known in DCI circles as the weaker school with limited offerings.

Same with CH IB families looking at Basis and Latin. Latin for the weaker kids. Got a top performing star, it’s Basis. Got a middle of the road kid, it’s Latin.

This is such an odd and kind of sad post. At our feeder, almost everyone lotteried for Latin and very few had the opportunity to make the choice between the two. That doesn't mean DCI is better or worse. It's just the realism of lottery odds.

Everyone I know plays the lottery every year because it costs you nothing.

Why when you are happy where you are? Why waste the time and energy. Grass is not always greener on the other side.


There is a satisfaction and relief to not have to ever, ever deal with uncertainty or the lottery.

You sound complacent and a bit dim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, but the fact remains that these aren't great options as compared to the best options in the near burbs, not even close.

Our family keeps in close touch with friends who moved from Cap Hill to MoCo, Arlington and Fairfax for schools. We also visit their kids' schools now and again for sporting events, competitions, high school musicals and the like.

It's clear to me that none of our public high school options in the District--BASIS, Latin, DCI, Walls, J-R--can touch these suburban programs on any level. Top suburban schools might as well be on a different planet. If you never tour suburban schools and aren't familiar with their offerings, this fact may be lost on you. I'm particularly jealous of honors middle school classes across the board in Arlington and Fairfax.

I've been shown printouts from suburban high schools listing more than 100 serious sounding electives any student can take. None of you ask yourselves how BASIS, Latin, DCI, J-R and Walls compare because....moving to the burbs for high school is a fate worse than death or what?

You have been shown printouts? Seriously? They didn’t send you a fax or email to your AOL account?

You sound like you live in a bubble and have very limited information.

If the suburbs are so great, why do Basis and Walls do better than DMV suburban schools in per capita college admissions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latin posters can believe it or not.

But Latin is known in DCI circles as the weaker school with limited offerings.

Same with CH IB families looking at Basis and Latin. Latin for the weaker kids. Got a top performing star, it’s Basis. Got a middle of the road kid, it’s Latin.

This is such an odd and kind of sad post. At our feeder, almost everyone lotteried for Latin and very few had the opportunity to make the choice between the two. That doesn't mean DCI is better or worse. It's just the realism of lottery odds.

Everyone I know plays the lottery every year because it costs you nothing.

Why when you are happy where you are? Why waste the time and energy. Grass is not always greener on the other side.


There is a satisfaction and relief to not have to ever, ever deal with uncertainty or the lottery.

You sound complacent and a bit dim.

Not at all. You sound childish name calling and you obviously don’t have a secure 6-12 track.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latin posters can believe it or not.

But Latin is known in DCI circles as the weaker school with limited offerings.

Same with CH IB families looking at Basis and Latin. Latin for the weaker kids. Got a top performing star, it’s Basis. Got a middle of the road kid, it’s Latin.

I guess what I’m trying to say is… DCI isn’t know in Latin circles. It was never a consideration.

That makes total sense to me as a DCI parent. And it also makes sense to me that the kids who struggled with the challenge of languages do well in Latin where the foreign language program is very poor. And it also makes sense to me that the weakest kids at my kids’immersion elementary were super happy to leave to a school without a rigorous IB curriculum. And it’s also great that dci accommodates kids who are weaker at language/not strong academically and accommodates those children who are brilliant academically.

Does it make sense that DCI parents and Latin parents have this need to raise their school up by putting others down? What does that do for you?

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can’t extrapolate the data above to say that the weaker kids from feeders are not going to Latin.

You actually need to know the kids and where they stand academically.

The data above skews majority non feeder, non immersion kids.

Latin also has significantly less at risk kids. Plus DCI offers more advance math tracks at middle school and I would want to know what percentage of kids of any are not even taking CAPE. Lastly IB math is different in that some of the topics are combined and not as delineated as traditional track

DCI is 19% at risk. Latin is 11%.

Both schools offer advanced math. As you can see from the MS scores above, Latin has a fair number of students taking both Algebra I and Geometry. In fact, from the CAPE testing it appears that more Latin students than DCI students are taking advanced math in middle school, even though DCI has nearly double the student population.

Almost all students are taking math CAPE at the middle school level. Latin MS had 393 enrolled, of which 391 took CAPE. DCI MS had 777 enrolled, of which 754 took CAPE.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Latin has one advanced math track, dci has several. You cannot compare the math offered at Deal and DCI to Latin. Latin has other positives, relax.

And yet, it is objectively the case that Latin’s MS kids do *much* better in Geometry than DCI’s. Their non-at risk kids do better too.

I’m not dumping on DCI. It’s a good school that’s a natural destination of immersion families. But most Capitol Hill kids don’t go to immersion schools because their neighborhood ESes are good and the immersion schools are far away. The calculation in, e.g., Brentwood is far different. But in Brent or Maury or LT’s IB, it’s not like the kids who attend the IB are the weak ones academically; in general, they’re outperforming immersion schools overall and controlling for demographics. Those kids don’t then choose between DCI and Latin; 95% of them never even consider DCI. Not because they’re dumb or can’t hack immersion, but because they’ve never done immersion and are looking to guarantee an MS in 5th grade. It may be that the kids who leave YY are the least good at languages — I would totally believe that — but that’s not the average profile of a Latin student and certainly not of the kids coming from the Hill.

Some people choose immersion because of their heritsge, since we aren’t all white.

Also please cite your source re Latin kids doing better in geometry. Every Latin parent I know is grateful for the weak math curriculum. I honestly don’t care enough to waste time looking things up but those scores look rough last time I checked.

The stats are literally in this thread. Go back a couple of pages.

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can’t extrapolate the data above to say that the weaker kids from feeders are not going to Latin.

You actually need to know the kids and where they stand academically.

The data above skews majority non feeder, non immersion kids.

Latin also has significantly less at risk kids. Plus DCI offers more advance math tracks at middle school and I would want to know what percentage of kids of any are not even taking CAPE. Lastly IB math is different in that some of the topics are combined and not as delineated as traditional track

DCI is 19% at risk. Latin is 11%.

Both schools offer advanced math. As you can see from the MS scores above, Latin has a fair number of students taking both Algebra I and Geometry. In fact, from the CAPE testing it appears that more Latin students than DCI students are taking advanced math in middle school, even though DCI has nearly double the student population.

Almost all students are taking math CAPE at the middle school level. Latin MS had 393 enrolled, of which 391 took CAPE. DCI MS had 777 enrolled, of which 754 took CAPE.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Latin has one advanced math track, dci has several. You cannot compare the math offered at Deal and DCI to Latin. Latin has other positives, relax.

And yet, it is objectively the case that Latin’s MS kids do *much* better in Geometry than DCI’s. Their non-at risk kids do better too.

I’m not dumping on DCI. It’s a good school that’s a natural destination of immersion families. But most Capitol Hill kids don’t go to immersion schools because their neighborhood ESes are good and the immersion schools are far away. The calculation in, e.g., Brentwood is far different. But in Brent or Maury or LT’s IB, it’s not like the kids who attend the IB are the weak ones academically; in general, they’re outperforming immersion schools overall and controlling for demographics. Those kids don’t then choose between DCI and Latin; 95% of them never even consider DCI. Not because they’re dumb or can’t hack immersion, but because they’ve never done immersion and are looking to guarantee an MS in 5th grade. It may be that the kids who leave YY are the least good at languages — I would totally believe that — but that’s not the average profile of a Latin student and certainly not of the kids coming from the Hill.

Some people choose immersion because of their heritsge, since we aren’t all white.

Also please cite your source re Latin kids doing better in geometry. Every Latin parent I know is grateful for the weak math curriculum. I honestly don’t care enough to waste time looking things up but those scores look rough last time I checked.

The stats are literally in this thread. Go back a couple of pages.

You people are hopeless.

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can’t extrapolate the data above to say that the weaker kids from feeders are not going to Latin.

You actually need to know the kids and where they stand academically.

The data above skews majority non feeder, non immersion kids.

Latin also has significantly less at risk kids. Plus DCI offers more advance math tracks at middle school and I would want to know what percentage of kids of any are not even taking CAPE. Lastly IB math is different in that some of the topics are combined and not as delineated as traditional track

DCI is 19% at risk. Latin is 11%.

Both schools offer advanced math. As you can see from the MS scores above, Latin has a fair number of students taking both Algebra I and Geometry. In fact, from the CAPE testing it appears that more Latin students than DCI students are taking advanced math in middle school, even though DCI has nearly double the student population.

Almost all students are taking math CAPE at the middle school level. Latin MS had 393 enrolled, of which 391 took CAPE. DCI MS had 777 enrolled, of which 754 took CAPE.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Latin has one advanced math track, dci has several. You cannot compare the math offered at Deal and DCI to Latin. Latin has other positives, relax.

And yet, it is objectively the case that Latin’s MS kids do *much* better in Geometry than DCI’s. Their non-at risk kids do better too.

I’m not dumping on DCI. It’s a good school that’s a natural destination of immersion families. But most Capitol Hill kids don’t go to immersion schools because their neighborhood ESes are good and the immersion schools are far away. The calculation in, e.g., Brentwood is far different. But in Brent or Maury or LT’s IB, it’s not like the kids who attend the IB are the weak ones academically; in general, they’re outperforming immersion schools overall and controlling for demographics. Those kids don’t then choose between DCI and Latin; 95% of them never even consider DCI. Not because they’re dumb or can’t hack immersion, but because they’ve never done immersion and are looking to guarantee an MS in 5th grade. It may be that the kids who leave YY are the least good at languages — I would totally believe that — but that’s not the average profile of a Latin student and certainly not of the kids coming from the Hill.

Some people choose immersion because of their heritsge, since we aren’t all white.

Also please cite your source re Latin kids doing better in geometry. Every Latin parent I know is grateful for the weak math curriculum. I honestly don’t care enough to waste time looking things up but those scores look rough last time I checked.

The stats are literally in this thread. Go back a couple of pages.

You people are hopeless.

You are too lazy to scroll back a few pages but we are “hopeless”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latin posters can believe it or not.

But Latin is known in DCI circles as the weaker school with limited offerings.

Same with CH IB families looking at Basis and Latin. Latin for the weaker kids. Got a top performing star, it’s Basis. Got a middle of the road kid, it’s Latin.

I guess what I’m trying to say is… DCI isn’t know in Latin circles. It was never a consideration.

That makes total sense to me as a DCI parent. And it also makes sense to me that the kids who struggled with the challenge of languages do well in Latin where the foreign language program is very poor. And it also makes sense to me that the weakest kids at my kids’immersion elementary were super happy to leave to a school without a rigorous IB curriculum. And it’s also great that dci accommodates kids who are weaker at language/not strong academically and accommodates those children who are brilliant academically.

I wish DC were less accommodating academically. There’s no intrinsic value in getting dragged back to the pack by the dim and unmotivated.

[Anonymous]

The Latin vs. DCI debate is kind of silly. Latin (and BASIS) is mostly full of kids who went through DCPS elementary schools (happily) and chose not to lottery into the DCI feeders. I'm happy DCI is working out for those families, but the need to insult Latin makes no sense. Very few families are actively making that choice in 5th/6th grade -- it's done. The choice was made much, much earlier. They are choosing between Latin, BASIS, privates or moving to the Deal/Hardy zone.

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can’t extrapolate the data above to say that the weaker kids from feeders are not going to Latin.

You actually need to know the kids and where they stand academically.

The data above skews majority non feeder, non immersion kids.

Latin also has significantly less at risk kids. Plus DCI offers more advance math tracks at middle school and I would want to know what percentage of kids of any are not even taking CAPE. Lastly IB math is different in that some of the topics are combined and not as delineated as traditional track

DCI is 19% at risk. Latin is 11%.

Both schools offer advanced math. As you can see from the MS scores above, Latin has a fair number of students taking both Algebra I and Geometry. In fact, from the CAPE testing it appears that more Latin students than DCI students are taking advanced math in middle school, even though DCI has nearly double the student population.

Almost all students are taking math CAPE at the middle school level. Latin MS had 393 enrolled, of which 391 took CAPE. DCI MS had 777 enrolled, of which 754 took CAPE.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Latin has one advanced math track, dci has several. You cannot compare the math offered at Deal and DCI to Latin. Latin has other positives, relax.

And yet, it is objectively the case that Latin’s MS kids do *much* better in Geometry than DCI’s. Their non-at risk kids do better too.

I’m not dumping on DCI. It’s a good school that’s a natural destination of immersion families. But most Capitol Hill kids don’t go to immersion schools because their neighborhood ESes are good and the immersion schools are far away. The calculation in, e.g., Brentwood is far different. But in Brent or Maury or LT’s IB, it’s not like the kids who attend the IB are the weak ones academically; in general, they’re outperforming immersion schools overall and controlling for demographics. Those kids don’t then choose between DCI and Latin; 95% of them never even consider DCI. Not because they’re dumb or can’t hack immersion, but because they’ve never done immersion and are looking to guarantee an MS in 5th grade. It may be that the kids who leave YY are the least good at languages — I would totally believe that — but that’s not the average profile of a Latin student and certainly not of the kids coming from the Hill.

Some people choose immersion because of their heritsge, since we aren’t all white.

Also please cite your source re Latin kids doing better in geometry. Every Latin parent I know is grateful for the weak math curriculum. I honestly don’t care enough to waste time looking things up but those scores look rough last time I checked.

The stats are literally in this thread. Go back a couple of pages.

You people are hopeless.

You are too lazy to scroll back a few pages but we are “hopeless”?

Yes, you are hopelessly caught up in the need to deride others so you feel better. Hence calling me lazy. Feel better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Latin vs. DCI debate is kind of silly. Latin (and BASIS) is mostly full of kids who went through DCPS elementary schools (happily) and chose not to lottery into the DCI feeders. I'm happy DCI is working out for those families, but the need to insult Latin makes no sense. Very few families are actively making that choice in 5th/6th grade -- it's done. The choice was made much, much earlier. They are choosing between Latin, BASIS, privates or moving to the Deal/Hardy zone.

Agree. We unsuccessfully tried to lottery our kids into what are now called DCI feeders for years. But at some point, we stopped because a native English speaker joining an immersion program from a non-immersion program from about third grade on makes no sense. We never tried for DCI because we weren’t coming from immersion or a feeder. We did throw our hat in for Latin, BASIS because there was no language immersion hurdle.

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can’t extrapolate the data above to say that the weaker kids from feeders are not going to Latin.

You actually need to know the kids and where they stand academically.

The data above skews majority non feeder, non immersion kids.

Latin also has significantly less at risk kids. Plus DCI offers more advance math tracks at middle school and I would want to know what percentage of kids of any are not even taking CAPE. Lastly IB math is different in that some of the topics are combined and not as delineated as traditional track

DCI is 19% at risk. Latin is 11%.

Both schools offer advanced math. As you can see from the MS scores above, Latin has a fair number of students taking both Algebra I and Geometry. In fact, from the CAPE testing it appears that more Latin students than DCI students are taking advanced math in middle school, even though DCI has nearly double the student population.

Almost all students are taking math CAPE at the middle school level. Latin MS had 393 enrolled, of which 391 took CAPE. DCI MS had 777 enrolled, of which 754 took CAPE.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Latin has one advanced math track, dci has several. You cannot compare the math offered at Deal and DCI to Latin. Latin has other positives, relax.

And yet, it is objectively the case that Latin’s MS kids do *much* better in Geometry than DCI’s. Their non-at risk kids do better too.

I’m not dumping on DCI. It’s a good school that’s a natural destination of immersion families. But most Capitol Hill kids don’t go to immersion schools because their neighborhood ESes are good and the immersion schools are far away. The calculation in, e.g., Brentwood is far different. But in Brent or Maury or LT’s IB, it’s not like the kids who attend the IB are the weak ones academically; in general, they’re outperforming immersion schools overall and controlling for demographics. Those kids don’t then choose between DCI and Latin; 95% of them never even consider DCI. Not because they’re dumb or can’t hack immersion, but because they’ve never done immersion and are looking to guarantee an MS in 5th grade. It may be that the kids who leave YY are the least good at languages — I would totally believe that — but that’s not the average profile of a Latin student and certainly not of the kids coming from the Hill.

Some people choose immersion because of their heritsge, since we aren’t all white.

Also please cite your source re Latin kids doing better in geometry. Every Latin parent I know is grateful for the weak math curriculum. I honestly don’t care enough to waste time looking things up but those scores look rough last time I checked.

The stats are literally in this thread. Go back a couple of pages.

You people are hopeless.

You are too lazy to scroll back a few pages but we are “hopeless”?

Yes, you are hopelessly caught up in the need to deride others so you feel better. Hence calling me lazy. Feel better?

DP. You don’t know what hopeless means.