Woodward Auditorium Construction Advocacy Ahead of Monday County Council Meeting

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see the problem here. So what if they delay an auditorium for a couple of years?

Are they delaying the courses that require an auditorium? No. They are trying to pretend like every school will play nice and share what limited space they have available. It’s such as a shame how little MCPS values or understands the performing arts. Have you not paid attention to decades of brain research?

They'd just practice and hold concerts and plays at another location.

That magical land of endless auditoriums that children can teleport to and be back for their next class! Tell the Council the problem is solved!

Indeed. MCPS certainly can tell Strathmore to move out for several years so they can use the facility...

There are days available. Or, other places in Rockville, like the Fitzgerald theater. They can use other schools too.

You have no idea how HS performing arts programs work, do you?

PS -- Strathmore is losing its Pike & Rose location and having to utilize the main center more. Even if that remark about MCPS using it weren't tongue-in-cheek, those "days available" aren't vwry likely to be there.

Of course I do as I have a high level musician. Mcps is a joke and fun class. A lot of our kids preform outside mcps. Or, they just share another school auditorium.

The pike and rose Strathmore is not something that would work. You clearly don’t have a child performing outside mcps.

As stated, the Pike & Rose closure will have some of those perfomances taking up space at the main hall -- which was put out there in the first place as a hyperbolic example of something MCPS could commandeer at their whim in lieu of an on-campus facility, but then suggested by another as being available some days (as though it was a real option). Pike & Rose wasn't suggested as the place to use, itself.

You don't seem to have a grasp of HS performing arts programs -- the logistics required to make productions happen that underline the need for proximate space, the real limitations for many, many students/families without the resources for private programs (Why on earth are we talking about that as a substitute for MCPS programming?!?), the existing demand for space at other schools, etc., etc.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And, the private groups have scholarships. So, clearly you aren’t involve them.

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Anonymous wrote:The auditorium has not been cancelled. It is in phase III and they need to figure out the funding.

so would be more accurate to say it was postponed slightly

And yet more accurate to say that it has been postponed such that the Northwood Academy of Music, Theater & Dance, along with the rest of the Northwood community, will not have reasonable access to supporting facilities, which not only creates an inequity, but were promised to the community when the Woodward-as-a-holding-school arrangement was sold.

Yeah, it sucks. But that was pre-pandemic, and now everything costs more and takes longer.

No, mcps wastes tons of money and refuses to get the spending under control.

Both increased costs (look at regional inflation in the sub-categories related to construction and education wages) and waste can be true at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:The auditorium has not been cancelled. It is in phase III and they need to figure out the funding.

so would be more accurate to say it was postponed slightly

And yet more accurate to say that it has been postponed such that the Northwood Academy of Music, Theater & Dance, along with the rest of the Northwood community, will not have reasonable access to supporting facilities, which not only creates an inequity, but were promised to the community when the Woodward-as-a-holding-school arrangement was sold.

Yeah, it sucks. But that was pre-pandemic, and now everything costs more and takes longer.

No, mcps wastes tons of money and refuses to get the spending under control.

Both increased costs (look at regional inflation in the sub-categories related to construction and education wages) and waste can be true at the same time.

Could be but definitely adding 30% more jobs at the Central Office under McKnight didn't help.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see the problem here. So what if they delay an auditorium for a couple of years?

Are they delaying the courses that require an auditorium? No. They are trying to pretend like every school will play nice and share what limited space they have available. It’s such as a shame how little MCPS values or understands the performing arts. Have you not paid attention to decades of brain research?

They'd just practice and hold concerts and plays at another location.

That magical land of endless auditoriums that children can teleport to and be back for their next class! Tell the Council the problem is solved!

Indeed. MCPS certainly can tell Strathmore to move out for several years so they can use the facility...

There are days available. Or, other places in Rockville, like the Fitzgerald theater. They can use other schools too.

You have no idea how HS performing arts programs work, do you?

PS -- Strathmore is losing its Pike & Rose location and having to utilize the main center more. Even if that remark about MCPS using it weren't tongue-in-cheek, those "days available" aren't vwry likely to be there.

Of course I do as I have a high level musician. Mcps is a joke and fun class. A lot of our kids preform outside mcps. Or, they just share another school auditorium.

The pike and rose Strathmore is not something that would work. You clearly don’t have a child performing outside mcps.

As stated, the Pike & Rose closure will have some of those perfomances taking up space at the main hall -- which was put out there in the first place as a hyperbolic example of something MCPS could commandeer at their whim in lieu of an on-campus facility, but then suggested by another as being available some days (as though it was a real option). Pike & Rose wasn't suggested as the place to use, itself.

You don't seem to have a grasp of HS performing arts programs -- the logistics required to make productions happen that underline the need for proximate space, the real limitations for many, many students/families without the resources for private programs (Why on earth are we talking about that as a substitute for MCPS programming?!?), the existing demand for space at other schools, etc., etc.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And, the private groups have scholarships. So, clearly you aren’t involve them.

Really?! You don't say!

Thanks for making it clear that area private groups are well enough funded to take on the role of addressing the arts education needs (including associated transportation) for the 20k+ MCPS high schoolers who demonstrate need. Where's the website for signups?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see the problem here. So what if they delay an auditorium for a couple of years?

Are they delaying the courses that require an auditorium? No. They are trying to pretend like every school will play nice and share what limited space they have available. It’s such as a shame how little MCPS values or understands the performing arts. Have you not paid attention to decades of brain research?

They'd just practice and hold concerts and plays at another location.

That magical land of endless auditoriums that children can teleport to and be back for their next class! Tell the Council the problem is solved!

Indeed. MCPS certainly can tell Strathmore to move out for several years so they can use the facility...

There are days available. Or, other places in Rockville, like the Fitzgerald theater. They can use other schools too.

You have no idea how HS performing arts programs work, do you?

PS -- Strathmore is losing its Pike & Rose location and having to utilize the main center more. Even if that remark about MCPS using it weren't tongue-in-cheek, those "days available" aren't vwry likely to be there.

Of course I do as I have a high level musician. Mcps is a joke and fun class. A lot of our kids preform outside mcps. Or, they just share another school auditorium.

The pike and rose Strathmore is not something that would work. You clearly don’t have a child performing outside mcps.

As stated, the Pike & Rose closure will have some of those perfomances taking up space at the main hall -- which was put out there in the first place as a hyperbolic example of something MCPS could commandeer at their whim in lieu of an on-campus facility, but then suggested by another as being available some days (as though it was a real option). Pike & Rose wasn't suggested as the place to use, itself.

You don't seem to have a grasp of HS performing arts programs -- the logistics required to make productions happen that underline the need for proximate space, the real limitations for many, many students/families without the resources for private programs (Why on earth are we talking about that as a substitute for MCPS programming?!?), the existing demand for space at other schools, etc., etc.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And, the private groups have scholarships. So, clearly you aren’t involve them.

Really?! You don't say!

Thanks for making it clear that area private groups are well enough funded to take on the role of addressing the arts education needs (including associated transportation) for the 20k+ MCPS high schoolers who demonstrate need. Where's the website for signups?

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The auditorium has not been cancelled. It is in phase III and they need to figure out the funding.

so would be more accurate to say it was postponed slightly

And yet more accurate to say that it has been postponed such that the Northwood Academy of Music, Theater & Dance, along with the rest of the Northwood community, will not have reasonable access to supporting facilities, which not only creates an inequity, but were promised to the community when the Woodward-as-a-holding-school arrangement was sold.

Yeah, it sucks. But that was pre-pandemic, and now everything costs more and takes longer.

No, mcps wastes tons of money and refuses to get the spending under control.

Both increased costs (look at regional inflation in the sub-categories related to construction and education wages) and waste can be true at the same time.

Could be but definitely adding 30% more jobs at the Central Office under McKnight didn't help.

Cutting central office, getting rid of grants to non-profits, look at every line item and see what can go.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see the problem here. So what if they delay an auditorium for a couple of years?

Are they delaying the courses that require an auditorium? No. They are trying to pretend like every school will play nice and share what limited space they have available. It’s such as a shame how little MCPS values or understands the performing arts. Have you not paid attention to decades of brain research?

They'd just practice and hold concerts and plays at another location.

That magical land of endless auditoriums that children can teleport to and be back for their next class! Tell the Council the problem is solved!

Indeed. MCPS certainly can tell Strathmore to move out for several years so they can use the facility...

There are days available. Or, other places in Rockville, like the Fitzgerald theater. They can use other schools too.

You have no idea how HS performing arts programs work, do you?

PS -- Strathmore is losing its Pike & Rose location and having to utilize the main center more. Even if that remark about MCPS using it weren't tongue-in-cheek, those "days available" aren't vwry likely to be there.

Of course I do as I have a high level musician. Mcps is a joke and fun class. A lot of our kids preform outside mcps. Or, they just share another school auditorium.

The pike and rose Strathmore is not something that would work. You clearly don’t have a child performing outside mcps.

As stated, the Pike & Rose closure will have some of those perfomances taking up space at the main hall -- which was put out there in the first place as a hyperbolic example of something MCPS could commandeer at their whim in lieu of an on-campus facility, but then suggested by another as being available some days (as though it was a real option). Pike & Rose wasn't suggested as the place to use, itself.

You don't seem to have a grasp of HS performing arts programs -- the logistics required to make productions happen that underline the need for proximate space, the real limitations for many, many students/families without the resources for private programs (Why on earth are we talking about that as a substitute for MCPS programming?!?), the existing demand for space at other schools, etc., etc.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And, the private groups have scholarships. So, clearly you aren’t involve them.

Really?! You don't say!

Thanks for making it clear that area private groups are well enough funded to take on the role of addressing the arts education needs (including associated transportation) for the 20k+ MCPS high schoolers who demonstrate need. Where's the website for signups?

You can transport your own kids like the rest of us do... there are lots of private groups that offier financial aid. Somehow I doubt you need it but just too lazy to do extra things outside MCPS with your kids since it takes effort on your part.

Swim is not at the schools. And, yet it still seems to work and MCPS will not provide transportation. Why not advocate for a pool at ever school? The decent parents are driving your kids since you refuse to.

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This is about the capital budget, not the operating budget.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see the problem here. So what if they delay an auditorium for a couple of years?

Are they delaying the courses that require an auditorium? No. They are trying to pretend like every school will play nice and share what limited space they have available. It’s such as a shame how little MCPS values or understands the performing arts. Have you not paid attention to decades of brain research?

Most kids who are in the arts do it outside of mcps.

No no no no - arts and music in school is essential

They are good but most programs are ok at best and kids who are good are in private lessons and outside organizations too. Be real, you think the top playing musicians only do mcps. Nope.

Sorry MCPS kids, no arts or music in school for you, you might enjoy it, you might benefit from it, but if you're not the best, some random on DCUM thinks there's no point in it for you.

The schools can still have it without an auditorium. That is the point. Private orchestras and theater companies do it all the time. And mcps schools can share the auditorium. It’s easy to get from wj to Woodward, for example.

I believe area churches still let out their spaces for public school madrigal recitals, wind ensembles, etc. They used to 20 years ago. So that’s another decent option for certain productions.

Many U.S. public high schools and junior highs don’t have purpose built auditoria. Often outdoor amphitheaters and cafetoria suffice for cash strapped districts. We are very lucky in this area.

It’s not that we’re lucky. It’s that we pay a lot for the services we have so we have nice things and expect to continue to have nice things.

+1. How much do people in these "cash-strapped" districts pay in taxes? We have an enormous tax burden in this county. It is not too much to expect a school to be built with an auditorium.

MCPS apparently does think it is too much.

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If the voters approve a larger CIP then the high schools can have black box theaters, auditoria with fly loft

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systems, swimming pools, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see the problem here. So what if they delay an auditorium for a couple of years?

Are they delaying the courses that require an auditorium? No. They are trying to pretend like every school will play nice and share what limited space they have available. It’s such as a shame how little MCPS values or understands the performing arts. Have you not paid attention to decades of brain research?

They'd just practice and hold concerts and plays at another location.

That magical land of endless auditoriums that children can teleport to and be back for their next class! Tell the Council the problem is solved!

Indeed. MCPS certainly can tell Strathmore to move out for several years so they can use the facility...

There are days available. Or, other places in Rockville, like the Fitzgerald theater. They can use other schools too.

You have no idea how HS performing arts programs work, do you?

PS -- Strathmore is losing its Pike & Rose location and having to utilize the main center more. Even if that remark about MCPS using it weren't tongue-in-cheek, those "days available" aren't vwry likely to be there.

Of course I do as I have a high level musician. Mcps is a joke and fun class. A lot of our kids preform outside mcps. Or, they just share another school auditorium.

The pike and rose Strathmore is not something that would work. You clearly don’t have a child performing outside mcps.

As stated, the Pike & Rose closure will have some of those perfomances taking up space at the main hall -- which was put out there in the first place as a hyperbolic example of something MCPS could commandeer at their whim in lieu of an on-campus facility, but then suggested by another as being available some days (as though it was a real option). Pike & Rose wasn't suggested as the place to use, itself.

You don't seem to have a grasp of HS performing arts programs -- the logistics required to make productions happen that underline the need for proximate space, the real limitations for many, many students/families without the resources for private programs (Why on earth are we talking about that as a substitute for MCPS programming?!?), the existing demand for space at other schools, etc., etc.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And, the private groups have scholarships. So, clearly you aren’t involve them.

Really?! You don't say!

Thanks for making it clear that area private groups are well enough funded to take on the role of addressing the arts education needs (including associated transportation) for the 20k+ MCPS high schoolers who demonstrate need. Where's the website for signups?

You can transport your own kids like the rest of us do... there are lots of private groups that offier financial aid. Somehow I doubt you need it but just too lazy to do extra things outside MCPS with your kids since it takes effort on your part.

Swim is not at the schools. And, yet it still seems to work and MCPS will not provide transportation. Why not advocate for a pool at ever school? The decent parents are driving your kids since you refuse to.

Ah...ad hominem attack (and off the mark, to boot). How sweet! You really don't have anything substantive to say here.

Swim is an extracurricular (false equivalence, if not something of a red herring). At least from your statement, there, we can take it that it is provided for (or, in this case, not provided for) equitably -- everyone has to arrange for their own transport off-site.

We are talking, in this topic, about the needs of academic programs in the arts, and the failure of MCPS to provide those programs at this school the necessary/adequate facilities available elsewhere (which, in general, happen to be used by high schools for not-insignificant purposes, besides).

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see the problem here. So what if they delay an auditorium for a couple of years?

Are they delaying the courses that require an auditorium? No. They are trying to pretend like every school will play nice and share what limited space they have available. It’s such as a shame how little MCPS values or understands the performing arts. Have you not paid attention to decades of brain research?

They'd just practice and hold concerts and plays at another location.

That magical land of endless auditoriums that children can teleport to and be back for their next class! Tell the Council the problem is solved!

Indeed. MCPS certainly can tell Strathmore to move out for several years so they can use the facility...

There are days available. Or, other places in Rockville, like the Fitzgerald theater. They can use other schools too.

You have no idea how HS performing arts programs work, do you?

PS -- Strathmore is losing its Pike & Rose location and having to utilize the main center more. Even if that remark about MCPS using it weren't tongue-in-cheek, those "days available" aren't vwry likely to be there.

Of course I do as I have a high level musician. Mcps is a joke and fun class. A lot of our kids preform outside mcps. Or, they just share another school auditorium.

The pike and rose Strathmore is not something that would work. You clearly don’t have a child performing outside mcps.

As stated, the Pike & Rose closure will have some of those perfomances taking up space at the main hall -- which was put out there in the first place as a hyperbolic example of something MCPS could commandeer at their whim in lieu of an on-campus facility, but then suggested by another as being available some days (as though it was a real option). Pike & Rose wasn't suggested as the place to use, itself.

You don't seem to have a grasp of HS performing arts programs -- the logistics required to make productions happen that underline the need for proximate space, the real limitations for many, many students/families without the resources for private programs (Why on earth are we talking about that as a substitute for MCPS programming?!?), the existing demand for space at other schools, etc., etc.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And, the private groups have scholarships. So, clearly you aren’t involve them.

Really?! You don't say!

Thanks for making it clear that area private groups are well enough funded to take on the role of addressing the arts education needs (including associated transportation) for the 20k+ MCPS high schoolers who demonstrate need. Where's the website for signups?

You can transport your own kids like the rest of us do... there are lots of private groups that offier financial aid. Somehow I doubt you need it but just too lazy to do extra things outside MCPS with your kids since it takes effort on your part.

Swim is not at the schools. And, yet it still seems to work and MCPS will not provide transportation. Why not advocate for a pool at ever school? The decent parents are driving your kids since you refuse to.

Ah...ad hominem attack (and off the mark, to boot). How sweet! You really don't have anything substantive to say here.

Swim is an extracurricular (false equivalence, if not something of a red herring). At least from your statement, there, we can take it that it is provided for (or, in this case, not provided for) equitably -- everyone has to arrange for their own transport off-site.

We are talking, in this topic, about the needs of academic programs in the arts, and the failure of MCPS to provide those programs at this school the necessary/adequate facilities available elsewhere (which, in general, happen to be used by high schools for not-insignificant purposes, besides).

+10000

I was too tired last night…. From driving my kid everywhere… to respond sensibly to the “decent parent” and advocate for basic infrastructure that should be a no brainer at all schools. How are we even debating this???

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see the problem here. So what if they delay an auditorium for a couple of years?

Are they delaying the courses that require an auditorium? No. They are trying to pretend like every school will play nice and share what limited space they have available. It’s such as a shame how little MCPS values or understands the performing arts. Have you not paid attention to decades of brain research?

They'd just practice and hold concerts and plays at another location.

That magical land of endless auditoriums that children can teleport to and be back for their next class! Tell the Council the problem is solved!

Indeed. MCPS certainly can tell Strathmore to move out for several years so they can use the facility...

There are days available. Or, other places in Rockville, like the Fitzgerald theater. They can use other schools too.

You have no idea how HS performing arts programs work, do you?

PS -- Strathmore is losing its Pike & Rose location and having to utilize the main center more. Even if that remark about MCPS using it weren't tongue-in-cheek, those "days available" aren't vwry likely to be there.

Of course I do as I have a high level musician. Mcps is a joke and fun class. A lot of our kids preform outside mcps. Or, they just share another school auditorium.

The pike and rose Strathmore is not something that would work. You clearly don’t have a child performing outside mcps.

As stated, the Pike & Rose closure will have some of those perfomances taking up space at the main hall -- which was put out there in the first place as a hyperbolic example of something MCPS could commandeer at their whim in lieu of an on-campus facility, but then suggested by another as being available some days (as though it was a real option). Pike & Rose wasn't suggested as the place to use, itself.

You don't seem to have a grasp of HS performing arts programs -- the logistics required to make productions happen that underline the need for proximate space, the real limitations for many, many students/families without the resources for private programs (Why on earth are we talking about that as a substitute for MCPS programming?!?), the existing demand for space at other schools, etc., etc.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And, the private groups have scholarships. So, clearly you aren’t involve them.

NP here. I'm also a parent with a child who has participated in state and national level performing arts, but who also enjoys doing the spring musical with his friends for the sense of camaraderie.

This insistence that every element of fine and performing arts can be met outside of school is myopic, and makes me think you have a younger child. The value of school level orchestra or theater is not that it hones the craft of your child who has already hit their 10,000 hours of practice. It's that it provides kids with a peer group of like-minded young friends who can help make the high school experience more fun, and healthier.

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Isn’t there a “rainy day fund” that could be used to move up the theater in the timeline?