My wife *wants* me to coerce her. She calls it "wooing." She thinks the man should be the initiator 100% of the time, because she wants to attention. Although I'd rather the intiatng be more equitable, if I don't do it, I wont be getting any. We're not young people. |
That's between you and your freaky wife. It sounds like she's communicating what she wants. You are also allowed to communicate what you want. I was referring to people literally forcing themselves to get down. That doesn't occur in healthy relationships and healthy people don't coerce themselves. |
OP seems like a thoughtful person who will take the advice that is helpful for her situation.
Rare things do happen. |
Not saying this is by any means common (and I surely hope not) but at my former federal agency’s on-site gym, there was a woman who’d sit down on the bare bench in the locker room totally naked. And it wasn’t a quick perch- she was doing full ministrations that took a while.
So… |
Jeff summarized this very thread. Many users of DCUMAD do not even look at Jeff’s summaries on the front page. Jeff has access to posts that the rest of us do not. He does not think OP is a troll. |
Thanks for the reminder. Jeff gave a nice summary, which I think he wrote last week. I wonder what he would say about op now? Last week it was all about divorce and now it's back to having sex with trichy dick. |
Can you link to Jeff's summaries? I can't find this. |
I'm the OP and Im surprised I sound like a troll. In my original post, I said we don't have a great marriage but I know I can't be celibate. I wish I was a troll about the trich thing. It's so G-D crazy. |
I can't link, but you can access them on the home page. The summaries are thoughtful, well written and witty. |
I agree. Jeff writes thoughtful summaries. |
Hugs, OP. ❤️ |
You are operating from a place of tremendous privilege to be able to say, "if I don't want it I won't do it." No one enjoys having sex under duress, and yes, it does feel rape-y, but many women aren't in a position to refuse and have their marriage upended in an instant. My husband cheated on me when I was six months pregnant with my second child and in my second to last semester of grad school. I had no job. I was within reach of a valuable degree. The best thing for me and my children was to keep the situation stable and graduate, take my licensing exam and find a job and then kick him out. And if that meant sleeping with him at some minimum level then so be it. Because I was pregnant, it was easy to buy some time not sleeping with him and avoid most but not all of his demands. But, you know what wouldn't have been easy? Couch surfing at relatives with an infant and a pre-Ker. Or going into more debt on top of what I'd already paid for grad school. Or finishing school as a single mom with two kids going thru the trauma of divorce themselves. It wasn't that I didn't value myself - it was that society didn't value me enough to create the structures to support women - no maternity leave, no access to affordable quality daycare, outrageous tuition rates, low rates of child support that are often unenforceable or delayed, and just in general, displacement of all the work of parenting onto the mom. And it was that I valued my kids above myself. I wasn't going to put them in an unstable living situation or through the trauma of multiple moves, leaving their neighborhood and school unexpectedly, etc. And I say all that as a raging feminist who never imagined I would be in the situation I was or stay in it for more than a hot second. (Mostly because in my wildest dreams I couldn't imagine any person could behave as badly as my ex did.) So, F you and your high and mighty "I would never do that" and "you people have to respect yourselves more". People like you are the exact reason women don't speak about their abusive situation. Shame on you for shaming OP. You have no idea why she feels the need to keep the peace for now. |
Just a fun fact-I got trich when I was a 16 year old virgin.
I kept telling my doctor there is no way when she kept explaining that it’s an std. I had no reason to lie to her. I hadn’t had sexual relations other than kissing at that point in my life. So yeah…just something to think about. |
Having been raped before, I'd rather couch surf, be divorced or even die before I am raped again. Not high and mighty, just a person who will not add trauma on top of trauma. Risking it all, being down and out is better for me than submitting myself for rape. Better for my kids, too, because I don't want them in rapey relationships. |
What are full ministrations? |