Satanic Temple to offer abortion services in New Mexico

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You would not know it from that apology, but here are some other things Greaves said publicly in the space of 24 hours when he was trying to be heard by as many people as possible promoting a book with that sort of stuff in it:

“In many cases, abortion should be mandatory.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.” [Original] [Mirror]
“You got n—-r sodomites on call.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I don’t wanna have a kid if it’s gonna be a r-t-rd or anything like that.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people.” [Original] [Mirror]
“Well, [Jews] are a distinct phenotype.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction.” [Original][Mirror]

So your stance would be that if a religious institution is harboring people with harmful beliefs or who do terrible things, we should reject that whole institution, then?

Just checking.

Not harboring. Founded and run by.

Can’t believe you’re defending this garbage group.

I'm not. I'm asking.

How do you feel about the Catholic church? Any consistency in your beliefs, or ...?

Still waiting on the answers to this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Satanic Temple, or TST, was founded in 2012 by “Malcolm Jarry” and “Lucien Greaves” (real name: Doug Mesner) as a “nontheistic religion” that would use satire and trolling to undermine what they saw as autocratic and hypocritical political structures.

In other words, they’re an atheistic organization, but conduct themselves as a religion.

TST doesn’t genuinely believe in Satan, but they get very real threats nonetheless, since the whole “Satan” thing upsets people a lot. Their Twitter lawsuit stems from an incident in January, in which a woman called for the group’s headquarters in Salem, Massachusetts, to be burned down, writing, “A church like this Should not exist! Burn it! Blame Hillary I don’t care! It’s gutta go.”

Greaves reported the post to Twitter and called on others to do the same. Twitter said the message did not violate their terms of use, and instead, Greaves’s account was permanently suspended for “abusive behavior.”

Twitter later restored Greaves’s account, but he threatened to sue them on the grounds of religious discrimination.

When TST filed the complaint against Twitter in May, the org was represented by First Amendment attorney Marc Randazza. Randazza has represented several far-right clients, including Andrew Anglin, the founder of the neo-Nazi, white supremacist website The Daily Stormer, and alt-right personality Mike Cernovich, whom he described to The Daily Beast as “an A-plus level friend, and the kind of rare soul now where you can really trust his word as his bond.”

The decision to enlist Randazza rubbed many TST members the wrong way. This weekend, the Los Angeles branch of TST announced it was withdrawing from the group, and renaming itself The Satanic Collective, in part because of Randazza’s involvement in the lawsuit.

“We view Marc Randazza as a Twitter troll and an agent of the alt-right,” they wrote in a statement on Instagram. “We believe in most of The Satanic Temple’s causes, its tenets, and its core mission, and we understand the value of the community The Satanic Temple provides […] but we cannot endorse it or be a part of it anymore. We cannot look past partnering with bigots and Nazi sympathizers and justifying that with inapposite and white supremacist appeals to free speech.”

It’s abundantly clear Lucien/Doug espouses white power and neo-Nazi thought. He hired an attorney who defended the Nazi website “The Daily Stormer.”

I think the people here defending him genuinely don’t care. It’s abhorrent. It’s beyond a joke!

No you are not understanding.

Republicans are the issue. They are coming for everything women have. The want women barefoot & pregnant. Women are already dying in red states. Spew all you want they are not the issue.

No you don’t understand. Also, your what-about-isms are irrelevant and OT, as what-about-isms are by definition.

Give money to this guy and you’re giving money to white nationalism. Encourage terrified teens to give money to the ST, and you’re encouraging terrified teens to give money to white nationalism. It’s completely irrelevant what anybody else is doing or not doing. He and his organization s@ck and don’t deserve anybody’s money.

- not an evangelical, not a Catholic, not Jewish, not an atheist

Nobody here is giving money or encouraging others to give money.

Guess you’ll need to work on a new strawman.

Stop lying. The first few pages of this thread are full of you guys saying you want to join or give money to them. And for the last 17 pages you’ve been writing “all hail ST” and so on.

You really are a lying, despicable racist, aren’t you, sweetie?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You would not know it from that apology, but here are some other things Greaves said publicly in the space of 24 hours when he was trying to be heard by as many people as possible promoting a book with that sort of stuff in it:

“In many cases, abortion should be mandatory.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.” [Original] [Mirror]
“You got n—-r sodomites on call.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I don’t wanna have a kid if it’s gonna be a r-t-rd or anything like that.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people.” [Original] [Mirror]
“Well, [Jews] are a distinct phenotype.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction.” [Original][Mirror]

So your stance would be that if a religious institution is harboring people with harmful beliefs or who do terrible things, we should reject that whole institution, then?

Just checking.

Not harboring. Founded and run by.

Can’t believe you’re defending this garbage group.

I'm not. I'm asking.

How do you feel about the Catholic church? Any consistency in your beliefs, or ...?

Still waiting on the answers to this.

Because you’re desperate to derail from the thread subject, which is the ST and white nationalism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lucien Greaves/ Doug Misicko/Doug Mesner admitted in court to taking money donated for “abortion rights” and using it for rent and personal expenses. He also admitted the the co-founder of The Satanic Temple, Malcolm Jarry, uses the donated money for personal expenses also. But nobody (not the Satanic Temple, not a bookeeper or accountant, keeps track of that money or it’s use.

Malcolm Jarry’s real name is Cevin Soling.

Lucien/Doug says he doesn’t keep track of the amount of funds donated for abortion advocacy he spends on himself, or the amounts Malcolm/ Cevin spends on himself.

Worth keeping in mind: if we were describing Christian televangelists or crisis pregnancy centers this way, these same people defending The Satanic Temple with “nothing to see here” would not be nearly so charitable waving off the red flags of a church-business-nonprofit.

+1. And the only defense of Greaves’/Misicko’s/Mesner’s racism, anti-Semitism, support for eugenics, and misappropriation of funds donated for abortion rights, is to repost that childish cartoon and claim forcing people to join an atheist group and perform its rituals is different, because, atheism.

The entire point is that religion has no place in medical care.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

He’s forcing them to give up ALL religion in their lives, not just medical care. Why is this so hard to understand?

So forcing your religious beliefs on others is bad?

Religion in medical care is bad?

Still waiting on an answer to this.

Still trying to support the ST’s white nationalism by derailing away from said white nationalism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Satanic Temple, or TST, was founded in 2012 by “Malcolm Jarry” and “Lucien Greaves” (real name: Doug Mesner) as a “nontheistic religion” that would use satire and trolling to undermine what they saw as autocratic and hypocritical political structures.

In other words, they’re an atheistic organization, but conduct themselves as a religion.

TST doesn’t genuinely believe in Satan, but they get very real threats nonetheless, since the whole “Satan” thing upsets people a lot. Their Twitter lawsuit stems from an incident in January, in which a woman called for the group’s headquarters in Salem, Massachusetts, to be burned down, writing, “A church like this Should not exist! Burn it! Blame Hillary I don’t care! It’s gutta go.”

Greaves reported the post to Twitter and called on others to do the same. Twitter said the message did not violate their terms of use, and instead, Greaves’s account was permanently suspended for “abusive behavior.”

Twitter later restored Greaves’s account, but he threatened to sue them on the grounds of religious discrimination.

When TST filed the complaint against Twitter in May, the org was represented by First Amendment attorney Marc Randazza. Randazza has represented several far-right clients, including Andrew Anglin, the founder of the neo-Nazi, white supremacist website The Daily Stormer, and alt-right personality Mike Cernovich, whom he described to The Daily Beast as “an A-plus level friend, and the kind of rare soul now where you can really trust his word as his bond.”

The decision to enlist Randazza rubbed many TST members the wrong way. This weekend, the Los Angeles branch of TST announced it was withdrawing from the group, and renaming itself The Satanic Collective, in part because of Randazza’s involvement in the lawsuit.

“We view Marc Randazza as a Twitter troll and an agent of the alt-right,” they wrote in a statement on Instagram. “We believe in most of The Satanic Temple’s causes, its tenets, and its core mission, and we understand the value of the community The Satanic Temple provides […] but we cannot endorse it or be a part of it anymore. We cannot look past partnering with bigots and Nazi sympathizers and justifying that with inapposite and white supremacist appeals to free speech.”

It’s abundantly clear Lucien/Doug espouses white power and neo-Nazi thought. He hired an attorney who defended the Nazi website “The Daily Stormer.”

I think the people here defending him genuinely don’t care. It’s abhorrent. It’s beyond a joke!

No you are not understanding.

Republicans are the issue. They are coming for everything women have. The want women barefoot & pregnant. Women are already dying in red states. Spew all you want they are not the issue.

No you don’t understand. Also, your what-about-isms are irrelevant and OT, as what-about-isms are by definition.

Give money to this guy and you’re giving money to white nationalism. Encourage terrified teens to give money to the ST, and you’re encouraging terrified teens to give money to white nationalism. It’s completely irrelevant what anybody else is doing or not doing. He and his organization s@ck and don’t deserve anybody’s money.

- not an evangelical, not a Catholic, not Jewish, not an atheist

Nobody here is giving money or encouraging others to give money.

Guess you’ll need to work on a new strawman.

Stop lying. The first few pages of this thread are full of you guys saying you want to join or give money to them. And for the last 17 pages you’ve been writing “all hail ST” and so on.

You really are a lying, despicable racist, aren’t you, sweetie?

Wow. The troll is very angry that she’s being called out for falsehoods.

No, people are not sending them money or pushing others to send them money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Lucien Greaves/ Doug Misicko/Doug Mesner admitted in court to taking money donated for “abortion rights” and using it for rent and personal expenses. He also admitted the the co-founder of The Satanic Temple, Malcolm Jarry, uses the donated money for personal expenses also. But nobody (not the Satanic Temple, not a bookeeper or accountant, keeps track of that money or it’s use.

Malcolm Jarry’s real name is Cevin Soling.

Lucien/Doug says he doesn’t keep track of the amount of funds donated for abortion advocacy he spends on himself, or the amounts Malcolm/ Cevin spends on himself.

Worth keeping in mind: if we were describing Christian televangelists or crisis pregnancy centers this way, these same people defending The Satanic Temple with “nothing to see here” would not be nearly so charitable waving off the red flags of a church-business-nonprofit.

+1. And the only defense of Greaves’/Misicko’s/Mesner’s racism, anti-Semitism, support for eugenics, and misappropriation of funds donated for abortion rights, is to repost that childish cartoon and claim forcing people to join an atheist group and perform its rituals is different, because, atheism.

The entire point is that religion has no place in medical care.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

He’s forcing them to give up ALL religion in their lives, not just medical care. Why is this so hard to understand?

So forcing your religious beliefs on others is bad?

Religion in medical care is bad?

Still waiting on an answer to this.

Still trying to support the ST’s white nationalism by derailing away from said white nationalism.

You are having trouble following. I don’t support ST.

I don’t support any religion pushing their beliefs or intruding on my medical care.

If you think it’s ok for religions to do those things then you have to accept that ST will do those same things too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lucien Greaves/ Doug Misicko/Doug Mesner admitted in court to taking money donated for “abortion rights” and using it for rent and personal expenses. He also admitted the the co-founder of The Satanic Temple, Malcolm Jarry, uses the donated money for personal expenses also. But nobody (not the Satanic Temple, not a bookeeper or accountant, keeps track of that money or it’s use.

Malcolm Jarry’s real name is Cevin Soling.

Lucien/Doug says he doesn’t keep track of the amount of funds donated for abortion advocacy he spends on himself, or the amounts Malcolm/ Cevin spends on himself.

Worth keeping in mind: if we were describing Christian televangelists or crisis pregnancy centers this way, these same people defending The Satanic Temple with “nothing to see here” would not be nearly so charitable waving off the red flags of a church-business-nonprofit.

+1. And the only defense of Greaves’/Misicko’s/Mesner’s racism, anti-Semitism, support for eugenics, and misappropriation of funds donated for abortion rights, is to repost that childish cartoon and claim forcing people to join an atheist group and perform its rituals is different, because, atheism.

The entire point is that religion has no place in medical care.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

A University of Chicago study concluded that a whopping 76% of doctors stated that they believe in God, compared with only 39% of scientists, and about 70% of Americans overall.

Thousands of religiously affiliated hospitals throughout the world.

Medicine, healing, religion, and spirituality have existed hand in hand since time immortal.

Yet the Satanic Temple (who admit to living off the money they raise on the backs of women) are your heroes?

Perhaps just drink a bracing cup of your own urine, donate $6.66 to Lucien/Doug, and try to understand religion is involved in medical care and always will be.

There are a handful of state mandated atheist countries you can flee to to escape the horror of religion in medical care.

Like drinking blood?

They aren’t “heroes”, just another corrupt religion who doesn’t belong in my medical care.

The Lord’s Supper/Christian Communion is a remembrance of what Christ did for us and a celebration of what we receive as a result of His sacrifice.

Grifters who lie and sell “documentaries” to people that claim drinking your own pee cures cancer is what you support and defend.

Bodily fluid is bodily fluid.

There are grifters in every denomination.

Atheists have denominations?

No, why would they?

^ ST isn’t atheism. Because I’m sure you are conflating the two.

Greaves has spoken on the topics of Satanism, secularism, and The Satanic Temple at universities throughout the United States, and he has been a featured speaker at national conferences hosted by American Atheists, the American Humanist Association, and the Secular Student Alliance.

Lucien/Doug quotes:

“You have only to look at some men, to know that they belong to an inferior breed. Take the Negro for example. His narrow cranial development, his prognathous jaw, his projecting lips, his wide nasal aperture, his simian disposition, his want of forethought, originality, and mental capacity: are all peculiarities strictly inferior. Similar language may be applied to the Chinaman, the Coolie, the Kanaka, the Jew, and to the rotten-boned city degenerates of Anglo-Saxondom: rich and poor.”

“In many cases, abortion should be mandatory.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.” [Original] [Mirror]
“You got n—-r sodomites on call.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I don’t wanna have a kid if it’s gonna be a r-t-rd or anything like that.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people.” [Original] [Mirror]
“Well, [Jews] are a distinct phenotype.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish, and they wear a stupid f@cking frisbee on their head and walk around [thinking] they’re God’s chosen people.”
“ Natural selection and modern civilization have ceased to exist. Today we live in a world overpopulated with bottom feeders. The pool is overfilled with the dregs, there is no inherent value on human life. The value is earned and most people are running a deficit. They’re worse than worthless. They’re counter-productive. What can be done?”


Mesner states, “It’s OK to hate Jews” if this hatred is based in contempt for their supernatural beliefs but that, “It’s not OK to hate Jews” if this hated is based in racism or ideas of eugenics. Bugbee then asks Mesner, “Do you like Satanic Jews?” Mesner answers, “Satanic Jews are fine.” Bugbee replies, “One drop of Jew blood means you ain’t breaking bread with me, motherf@cker.” At this, someone on the podcast can be heard laughing. Mesner starts to respond, at which point Bugbee accuses Mesner of being Jewish himself. Mesner then replies, “Look at me, I’m an Aryan king.” This is met with more laughter. This exchange is followed by a more serious discussion by Bugbee’s wife, Amy, about how Jews exaggerated the numbers killed in the Holocaust and have exploited it for political gain, during which Mesner is silent.

This has been posted multiple times and has not been addressed by posters who support the Satanic Temple and/or their activism.

It’s horrible and I don’t want anything from the Satanic temple.

Hope my kids don’t have to turn to them for an abortion

If your children “have” to turn to the Satanic Temple for abortion pills, your children would have to declare themselves to be Satanists and perform the Satanic Temple Ritual of abortion. Any money they gave to the Satanic Temple or is donated to the Satanic Temple is not accounted for and is used to fund the expenses of Doug Mesner and the other leader, the guy who says drinking pee cures cancer and HIV/AIDS.

Why would you let your child trust those racist grifters?

I hope desperate times don’t promote desperate measures.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You would not know it from that apology, but here are some other things Greaves said publicly in the space of 24 hours when he was trying to be heard by as many people as possible promoting a book with that sort of stuff in it:

“In many cases, abortion should be mandatory.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.” [Original] [Mirror]
“You got n—-r sodomites on call.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I don’t wanna have a kid if it’s gonna be a r-t-rd or anything like that.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people.” [Original] [Mirror]
“Well, [Jews] are a distinct phenotype.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction.” [Original][Mirror]

So your stance would be that if a religious institution is harboring people with harmful beliefs or who do terrible things, we should reject that whole institution, then?

Just checking.

Not harboring. Founded and run by.

Can’t believe you’re defending this garbage group.

I'm not. I'm asking.

How do you feel about the Catholic church? Any consistency in your beliefs, or ...?

Still waiting on the answers to this.

Because you’re desperate to derail from the thread subject, which is the ST and white nationalism.

Still haven’t answered…

So forcing your religious beliefs on others is bad?

Religion in medical care is bad?

[Anonymous]

However, many heads of individual local chapters expressed concern about retaining Randazza, especially because Greaves and TST were also simultaneously publicly fundraising for the suit despite being represented pro bono. (TST chapter heads and local councils organize and run local events and meetings, and funnel at least 90 percent of any profit from local events and fundraisers to the national level).

For Story, TST’s affiliation with Randazza highlights a wider issue within the organization: its unwillingness to prioritize the wishes of its most vulnerable and marginalized members. TST has, in her view, a diversity problem, skewing toward a generally privileged and largely white demographic.

It’s not a coincidence,” Story wrote, “that the people who are leaving TST over this issue right now are predominantly members of the very same vulnerable groups we say we want to attract.” Still, members who are people of color, LGBTQ, or from other marginalized groups may feel uncomfortable with their religious organization doing business with someone who has not only defended, but also exhibited collegial behavior toward personalities like Jones.

In a statement made via Patreon, Greaves doubled down on his decision to work with Randazza. “I didn’t take the time to learn his politics, and I still don’t care what they are.” (Especially since you are an Aryan King, right, Doug?)

The 90% going to Doug and urine drinker is a sweet deal for them, especially when they can get one of their neo-nazi buddies to defend them for free. WHILE RAISING MONEY FOR LEGAL DEFENSE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are completely missing the point. Nobody here is running out to join the ST.

The entire point is that we don’t want god - or the devil - in our doctor’s office. Or government. Or school.

Well, in order to obtain abortion pills from The Satanic Temple, women have to convert to satanism and say the words of the Satanic Ritual for abortion. So yes, people are becoming Satanist to obtain abortion pills from The Satanic Temple. That’s part of the problem.

Wow, it’s almost like the Satanic Temple…..wait for it…..is doing something bad. Who would have thought?

Unless, of course, they are doing that for Swiftian-like satirical purposes - which they clearly are. Admittedly not as clever as "A Modest Proposal" but the evidence that you are beating the issue to death here is proof it has been extremely effective.

They threw the bait, and you swallowed hook line and sinker.

They are also fundraising off women. They are not transparent about the donations they are receiving, and are using the donations to fund their rent and personal expenses.

Why do you defend the Satanic Temple? Are you racist? How do you feel about Jewish people? Do you think you are an Aryan King?

As I keep saying, I do not defend the Satanic temple. You keep repeating it, even though I keep clarifying, because you are a dishonest interlocutor.

+1

PP is effectively a troll.

You racist bigots are defending them. Calling them “Swiftian satirists” like someone did a few posts above in this chain IS trying to legitimize them, by giving them some sort of literary cover. I’d correct you and say Rabelais would be more appropriate if they were worth dignifying, which they’re not.

Yup. You definitely are a troll. I haven’t defended them at all.

How to defend ST white nationalists without explicitly defending ST white nationalists.

1. Call anybody who criticizes ST white nationalism a troll, dumb, or other ad hominens.
2. Call the ST’s strategy “brilliant” and compare them to Swiftian satire to try to legitimize them.
3. Ignore any attempt to point out the coercive nature of ST’s “help.”
4. Try to derail away from any discussion of the ST’s racist history (“pedos!”)

No, you guys employing these strategies couldn’t be racist bigots yourselves, could you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You would not know it from that apology, but here are some other things Greaves said publicly in the space of 24 hours when he was trying to be heard by as many people as possible promoting a book with that sort of stuff in it:

“In many cases, abortion should be mandatory.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.” [Original] [Mirror]
“You got n—-r sodomites on call.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I don’t wanna have a kid if it’s gonna be a r-t-rd or anything like that.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people.” [Original] [Mirror]
“Well, [Jews] are a distinct phenotype.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction.” [Original][Mirror]

So your stance would be that if a religious institution is harboring people with harmful beliefs or who do terrible things, we should reject that whole institution, then?

Just checking.

Not harboring. Founded and run by.

Can’t believe you’re defending this garbage group.

I'm not. I'm asking.

How do you feel about the Catholic church? Any consistency in your beliefs, or ...?

Still waiting on the answers to this.

Because you’re desperate to derail from the thread subject, which is the ST and white nationalism.

Still haven’t answered…

So forcing your religious beliefs on others is bad?

Religion in medical care is bad?

Yes, I think both of these things are bad. I’m a pro-choice Christian.

Your turn. Forcing atheism on terrified young women is bad too, no? Requiring donations that will go to support white nationalism is bad too, no? For once can we have an actual answer from you, instead of weaseling and derailments? If you still won’t answer these questions, we’ll have to assume you do support white nationalism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:However, many heads of individual local chapters expressed concern about retaining Randazza, especially because Greaves and TST were also simultaneously publicly fundraising for the suit despite being represented pro bono. (TST chapter heads and local councils organize and run local events and meetings, and funnel at least 90 percent of any profit from local events and fundraisers to the national level).

For Story, TST’s affiliation with Randazza highlights a wider issue within the organization: its unwillingness to prioritize the wishes of its most vulnerable and marginalized members. TST has, in her view, a diversity problem, skewing toward a generally privileged and largely white demographic.

It’s not a coincidence,” Story wrote, “that the people who are leaving TST over this issue right now are predominantly members of the very same vulnerable groups we say we want to attract.” Still, members who are people of color, LGBTQ, or from other marginalized groups may feel uncomfortable with their religious organization doing business with someone who has not only defended, but also exhibited collegial behavior toward personalities like Jones.

In a statement made via Patreon, Greaves doubled down on his decision to work with Randazza. “I didn’t take the time to learn his politics, and I still don’t care what they are.” (Especially since you are an Aryan King, right, Doug?)

The 90% going to Doug and urine drinker is a sweet deal for them, especially when they can get one of their neo-nazi buddies to defend them for free. WHILE RAISING MONEY FOR LEGAL DEFENSE.

Disgusting. As are the posters defending (through deflections, comparisons to “Swiftian satire” and so on) this trash white neo-Nazi.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You would not know it from that apology, but here are some other things Greaves said publicly in the space of 24 hours when he was trying to be heard by as many people as possible promoting a book with that sort of stuff in it:

“In many cases, abortion should be mandatory.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.” [Original] [Mirror]
“You got n—-r sodomites on call.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I don’t wanna have a kid if it’s gonna be a r-t-rd or anything like that.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people.” [Original] [Mirror]
“Well, [Jews] are a distinct phenotype.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction.” [Original][Mirror]

So your stance would be that if a religious institution is harboring people with harmful beliefs or who do terrible things, we should reject that whole institution, then?

Just checking.

Not harboring. Founded and run by.

Can’t believe you’re defending this garbage group.

I'm not. I'm asking.

How do you feel about the Catholic church? Any consistency in your beliefs, or ...?

Still waiting on the answers to this.

Because you’re desperate to derail from the thread subject, which is the ST and white nationalism.

Still haven’t answered…

So forcing your religious beliefs on others is bad?

Religion in medical care is bad?

Yes, I think both of these things are bad. I’m a pro-choice Christian.

Your turn. Forcing atheism on terrified young women is bad too, no? Requiring donations that will go to support white nationalism is bad too, no? For once can we have an actual answer from you, instead of weaseling and derailments? If you still won’t answer these questions, we’ll have to assume you do support white nationalism.

Crickets

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Anonymous wrote:You would not know it from that apology, but here are some other things Greaves said publicly in the space of 24 hours when he was trying to be heard by as many people as possible promoting a book with that sort of stuff in it:

“In many cases, abortion should be mandatory.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.” [Original] [Mirror]
“You got n—-r sodomites on call.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I don’t wanna have a kid if it’s gonna be a r-t-rd or anything like that.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people.” [Original] [Mirror]
“Well, [Jews] are a distinct phenotype.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction.” [Original][Mirror]

So your stance would be that if a religious institution is harboring people with harmful beliefs or who do terrible things, we should reject that whole institution, then?

Just checking.

Not harboring. Founded and run by.

Can’t believe you’re defending this garbage group.

I'm not. I'm asking.

How do you feel about the Catholic church? Any consistency in your beliefs, or ...?

Still waiting on the answers to this.

Because you’re desperate to derail from the thread subject, which is the ST and white nationalism.

Still haven’t answered…

So forcing your religious beliefs on others is bad?

Religion in medical care is bad?

Yes, I think both of these things are bad. I’m a pro-choice Christian.

Your turn. Forcing atheism on terrified young women is bad too, no? Requiring donations that will go to support white nationalism is bad too, no? For once can we have an actual answer from you, instead of weaseling and derailments? If you still won’t answer these questions, we’ll have to assume you do support white nationalism.

No you aren't