Are there any truly middle class neighborhoods in DC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would any teachers want to live in DC?

The schools, overall safety and quality of life are crap, and you can't afford to pay for private school plus your house.

Best to look at VA and parts of MD for homes.

This is DC URBAN MOM…. Not VA/MD urban mom. Many of us are very happy in DC and do not want to live in Maryland or Virginia. The OP did not ask about VA or MD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP said DC.

There are no truly nice middle class neighborhoods in DC

OP hasn't returned. Is OP fine with a condo or townhome? There are plenty of nice middle class neighborhoods if you don't require a SFH.

I would say Capitol Hill has some 2BR townhomes (I mean...98% of Capitol Hill is townhomes even $5MM+ townhomes) you can buy for the $600k-$700k range. Two teachers could be making near $200k if working in DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would any teachers want to live in DC?

The schools, overall safety and quality of life are crap, and you can't afford to pay for private school plus your house.

Best to look at VA and parts of MD for homes.

Because they are interesting people who want to live an interesting life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP said DC.

There are no truly nice middle class neighborhoods in DC

....to YOU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does OP mean to ask if there are middle class white neighborhoods? Because there are many middle class Black neighborhoods. Deanwood, Michigan Park, Hillcrest, etc.

They don’t mean real middle class.

[Anonymous]

In NE - Woodridge, Michigan Park
In NW - parts of Petworth, Brightwood

Possibly SW as well? Don't know that area but see decently priced townhouse listings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lamond-Riggs, Riggs Park

I was just in Riggs Park the other day - super cute! And also convenient to metro.

[Anonymous]

And nearby Fort Totten.

[Anonymous]

rte 1 corridor is better than NEDC and not much farther. Mount Rainier, Brentwood, Hyattsville, Riverdale etc.

Also Hollywood in CP is genuinely middle class but nice and close to metro.

[Anonymous]

Does middle class mean that 2 working people who earn as much as a school teacher and police officer, can afford a 3 bedroom home, daycare for 1 child and summer camp for the older kid in school, 2 car payments, no family money and all this in a nice enough low crime area where kids can roam

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does middle class mean that 2 working people who earn as much as a school teacher and police officer, can afford a 3 bedroom home, daycare for 1 child and summer camp for the older kid in school, 2 car payments, no family money and all this in a nice enough low crime area where kids can roam

That's what it used to mean but now the teacher/police officer couple are considered working class, and they can only afford all that if they live in a high crime area that feels somewhat unsafe and has terrible schools. Not "okay" schools, but aggressively bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does middle class mean that 2 working people who earn as much as a school teacher and police officer, can afford a 3 bedroom home, daycare for 1 child and summer camp for the older kid in school, 2 car payments, no family money and all this in a nice enough low crime area where kids can roam

That's what it used to mean but now the teacher/police officer couple are considered working class, and they can only afford all that if they live in a high crime area that feels somewhat unsafe and has terrible schools. Not "okay" schools, but aggressively bad.

Teacher/police officer is not workign class. Stop it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does middle class mean that 2 working people who earn as much as a school teacher and police officer, can afford a 3 bedroom home, daycare for 1 child and summer camp for the older kid in school, 2 car payments, no family money and all this in a nice enough low crime area where kids can roam

That's what it used to mean but now the teacher/police officer couple are considered working class, and they can only afford all that if they live in a high crime area that feels somewhat unsafe and has terrible schools. Not "okay" schools, but aggressively bad.

No. A teacher with a 4 yr college undergraduate degree and likely a 2 yr Masters is not working class. Higher education is the opposite of the definition of working class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does middle class mean that 2 working people who earn as much as a school teacher and police officer, can afford a 3 bedroom home, daycare for 1 child and summer camp for the older kid in school, 2 car payments, no family money and all this in a nice enough low crime area where kids can roam

That's what it used to mean but now the teacher/police officer couple are considered working class, and they can only afford all that if they live in a high crime area that feels somewhat unsafe and has terrible schools. Not "okay" schools, but aggressively bad.

No. A teacher with a 4 yr college undergraduate degree and likely a 2 yr Masters is not working class. Higher education is the opposite of the definition of working class.

That should be true but a teacher and police officer now live a working class lifestyle, unless they have family money or other sources of income. At least in the DC area. A 3 bedroom house in a low-crime neighborhood with decent schools in DC or surrounding areas will cost 600k to 1m. That's not doable for a couple making around or less than 200k (which would actually be generous for a cop and a teacher starting out, more likely their combined income would be around 160k, maybe less).

With a little family assistance with down payment and very careful budgeting, they might be able to buy in Silver Spring, Columbia, Cheverly, or some of the more distant VA suburbs. If in DC and working for DCPS and metro police, they would qualify for some assistance in purchasing and could bypass bad schools via the lottery or the teacher bringing kids to their school if it's decent. So yes, maybe something like Hillcrest or Brightwood. But again, that's with family help to purchase because they are going to have to fight to buy something for right around 600k and even that is a stretch on those salaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does middle class mean that 2 working people who earn as much as a school teacher and police officer, can afford a 3 bedroom home, daycare for 1 child and summer camp for the older kid in school, 2 car payments, no family money and all this in a nice enough low crime area where kids can roam

That's what it used to mean but now the teacher/police officer couple are considered working class, and they can only afford all that if they live in a high crime area that feels somewhat unsafe and has terrible schools. Not "okay" schools, but aggressively bad.

No. A teacher with a 4 yr college undergraduate degree and likely a 2 yr Masters is not working class. Higher education is the opposite of the definition of working class.

That should be true but a teacher and police officer now live a working class lifestyle, unless they have family money or other sources of income. At least in the DC area. A 3 bedroom house in a low-crime neighborhood with decent schools in DC or surrounding areas will cost 600k to 1m. That's not doable for a couple making around or less than 200k (which would actually be generous for a cop and a teacher starting out, more likely their combined income would be around 160k, maybe less).

With a little family assistance with down payment and very careful budgeting, they might be able to buy in Silver Spring, Columbia, Cheverly, or some of the more distant VA suburbs. If in DC and working for DCPS and metro police, they would qualify for some assistance in purchasing and could bypass bad schools via the lottery or the teacher bringing kids to their school if it's decent. So yes, maybe something like Hillcrest or Brightwood. But again, that's with family help to purchase because they are going to have to fight to buy something for right around 600k and even that is a stretch on those salaries.

And to also be paying for childcare