Deep blue NY failing to educate public school children

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian kids in NY are still doing great. We probably should just do whatever it is that they and their families do. Don’t breed with morons, make your kids study, etc.

It’s called the homework table from an article in the New York Times profiling Vietnamese family (first gen) whose children all made it to Stuyvesant High (wiki the high school for context)

- you would need to give up your promotion (dinner and cohesion at table every night is the key was thesis of piece)
-you would need to give up your ego (you nor your child are very bright: extreme hard work is the emphasis)
-you would need to join a church or stay in touch/physically enmeshed with extended family for free tutoring
-you would have multiple kids but get the eldest ‘right’ and the rest of your kids will follow with free tutoring

In the end it’s that ‘homework table’ that got it right - backed by a ton of social power and community cohesion.

Folks half my upper class neighbors are going through divorces!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mississippi has shown the way. Direct instruction using tried and true methods with clear science (example: Phonics), avoid fads (whole language, balanced literacy, and other Lucy Calkins crap). Teach kids he material directly, do not think they will learn by osmosis.

Um. Phonics is a fad.

Not even close to true. Numerous large studies with good controls show that it works reliably for all students. Dyslexic students would benefit from a particular Phonics implementation, that is known as Orton-Gillingham.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. Most progressive policies on education are abject failures. Classical blue liberal education did work very well, but the progressives have taken over and are destroying education across the country.

When MAGA states are showing far more improvement than deep blue areas, you know the progressives have failed.

This is mostly correct. It is not about red or blue. Education is not a partisan issue. It is about using tried-and-true methods that actually work for most/all kids, not “progressive education” which has not been tested in reproducible large studies with good controls. Lucy Calkins was “educationally progressive”, but an abject failure at teaching and at students learning

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. Most progressive policies on education are abject failures. Classical blue liberal education did work very well, but the progressives have taken over and are destroying education across the country.

When MAGA states are showing far more improvement than deep blue areas, you know the progressives have failed.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't care about politics or about red/purple/blue states. I care a lot about education - for every kid, not just mine.

Mississippi went back to tried-and-true, ignored political crap, ignored fads, and their younger kids are totally outperforming.

Results do matter and MS has now shown years of gains across the board, raising both floor and ceiling. Other states should do this.

Well sorry but we prefer the current trend of gender ideology and other stupidity over tried and true stuff, otherwise how can we get confused and lost adolescents who hate themselves and their own kind?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://nypost.com/2025/12/05/us-news/nearly-half-of-students-across-ny-state-fail-to-make-the-grade-on-math-english-tests-data/

Nearly half the public school kids are below proficiency in math and English. NY spends a massive amount per pupil and still fails at providing a basic education.

NY’s model is not working.

Um...This is true in Maryland too. It's not a "New York thing."

MCAP 2024-25 (State Tests): About 51% of students were ELA proficient, while only 24-26% were Math proficient, meaning 49% and 74-76% were below proficient respectively.

[Anonymous]

If you keep disabled kids with GenEd and high achievers well, no child left behind I guess. At the expense of the geniuses that have to withstand not only woke trash but bloated admin doing “restorative justice” while also engaging in positive discrimination against wypipo

[Anonymous]

Bring back basic skills testing. I bet some DCUMs would have trouble with questions on these current tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mississippi has shown the way. Direct instruction using tried and true methods with clear science (example: Phonics), avoid fads (whole language, balanced literacy, and other Lucy Calkins crap). Teach kids he material directly, do not think they will learn by osmosis.

Um. Phonics is a fad.

I suspect you are a troll but no, and putting "um" in front of your idiotic statement does not make it any more true. Phonics IS reading.
In Japan they teach kids to read by syllables. Do you think they would say "Forget about memorizing these syllables to sound out the word. Just absorb the whole word as a unit." Of course not because they don't hate their own people and want them illiterate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mississippi has shown the way. Direct instruction using tried and true methods with clear science (example: Phonics), avoid fads (whole language, balanced literacy, and other Lucy Calkins crap). Teach kids he material directly, do not think they will learn by osmosis.

Mississippi was 30th in the nation in 2024

Adjusted for demographics, they are much closer to #1. Despite being Mississippi, which means that the demographic adjustments almost certainly do not fully account for how bad their demographics are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://nypost.com/2025/12/05/us-news/nearly-half-of-students-across-ny-state-fail-to-make-the-grade-on-math-english-tests-data/

Nearly half the public school kids are below proficiency in math and English. NY spends a massive amount per pupil and still fails at providing a basic education.

NY’s model is not working.

NY Post is a tabloid in Trumps pocket. They were caught buying negative stories about Trump in order to kill them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you keep disabled kids with GenEd and high achievers well, no child left behind I guess. At the expense of the geniuses that have to withstand not only woke trash but bloated admin doing “restorative justice” while also engaging in positive discrimination against wypipo

Because everyone thinks their kid is a genius doesn’t make it so. There are very very few geniuses.

[Anonymous]

Phonics = MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you keep disabled kids with GenEd and high achievers well, no child left behind I guess. At the expense of the geniuses that have to withstand not only woke trash but bloated admin doing “restorative justice” while also engaging in positive discrimination against wypipo

Because everyone thinks their kid is a genius doesn’t make it so. There are very very few geniuses.

NP My kids aren’t geniuses, but I still believe strongly in supporting those who are. They drive innovation and are an essential part of our country’s future. If we try to make everyone fit into the same “average” mold, we risk holding back progress as a society.

I attended one of the top ten high schools in the nation, and it has been incredible to see what my classmates have gone on to accomplish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mississippi has shown the way. Direct instruction using tried and true methods with clear science (example: Phonics), avoid fads (whole language, balanced literacy, and other Lucy Calkins crap). Teach kids he material directly, do not think they will learn by osmosis.

Um. Phonics is a fad.

You are showing your age. It used to be a standard method of teaching reading, back when kids were taught to read in school.