Why?? They have a very productive economy. |
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This. Skipping college on the theory you are going to become an entrepreneur only works if that's really your calling. A lot of middle class kids will be much better served by getting education/training in a field with decent job prospects. The world will never stop needing teachers, nurses, doctors, engineers, lawyers, economists, etc., and those jobs all require college. I know some people think all these jobs will be replaced with AI, but they won't be and even if they were, you'd still need humans who understand these disciplines to run/manage the AI. The idea that most people are going to become tech entrepreneurs (or entrepreneurs of any kind) is ridiculous. That's like less than 1% of the population. |
It used to be a lot more common for people to get support staff jobs in white collar offices without college. Law firms would hire high school grads to be law librarians, paralegals, etc. Eventually these positions started to require higher credentials. Law librarians got hit the hardest -- it used to be common to do that job with HS degree or an associates degree, then it required college, and now its not uncommon to find people in those roles with both library science (masters level) AND law degrees. The return on investment there sucks, but I still see firms looking for those credentials, and they find them because there are enough unhappy JDs out there that some decent number will go get an MLS in order to move into a pretty secure job that actually uses their law degree and is reasonably mentally engaging. My husband is an engineer and a generation ago, none of their draftsmen had college degrees. Now they are phasing out that role altogether and everyone they hire has a bachelors and usually also a professional engineers license. Even in fields like retail, it used to be common to get managerial jobs without higher ed, it's become much more rare. |
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Oh for God's sake none of you read Project 2025 fools, idiots and stupid Americans.
The reason they are spewing this is they want you working for a king ie be his subject poor, desolate, and hungry. They wrote it down and you fools did not read it. There will be no college for anyone but white Christian men by 2028. You idiots who have DD and think after 2026 they will be going to colleges in red states also did not read the fine print! |
Exactly. DH was saying how "not everyone should go to college or needs college". I asked him, "Are you going to tell our kids to not go to college, then?". His answer: "No, our kids are different." LOL |
As someone from a blue collar family, no one was encouraged to go into the trades if you had skills best used elsewhere. It’s very hard on the body & I know everyone talks about the plumber they know making 250k/yr, he’s either the owner of a plumbing business & doesn’t to site work or maybe he does all the overtime shifts & literally only works & sleeps? It’s not a “make bank” career doing the actual trade work/not owning the business |
I think when predominantly college educated Starbucks baristas started demanding union rights was when the screw started turning. An educated populace is good for the economy, broadly speaking, but it became a threat to the elite's share of the distribution of things. So, we're getting a more sluggish economy where the top percent skim off more of the profits, and slowing down bachelor's degrees is a big part of this. Welcome to Brazil. |
But what constitutes a bogus degree? And what is a second or third tier university? It’s not the regional publics causing debt as they’re usually more affordable. Is it the Marymounts, DePauls, Washington Colleges, SCADs, etc.? |
x 1000 Not just a bachelor’s degree. Many tech fields require a master’s or PhD. I also saw a well-known company explicitly state that they want applicants from top-tier schools. |
My kids will have college degrees. Thanks. |
This is exactly what I came here to say. |
Your aluminum foil hat is on too tight. |
Many of those people wanted a convicted felon to run the country and don't understand how the end of democracy will hurt them. We sent our kid to a top college because it will probably help him get a job but it will definitely help him become a critical thinker. |
I'm sorry but no. You do need to learn things, and either you learn them in school or you end up expecting your colleagues to help you learn because you have potential. I'm shocked at some of the things that people come into jobs not knowing. -- Physics PhD...yes, it mattered what I learned in school |