What's a collaborative, happy yet very rigorous research university that's not Rice?

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Anonymous wrote:hopkins. student life has improved a lot with a ton of research opps.

columbia, penn also come to mind

I thought Hopkins was a grind, Columbia kids are miserable and Penn is pre-professional and competitive?

hopkins has ridiculous grade inflation now and students are a lot happier than decades ago

Penn and columbia outside of wharton and econ majors is very research focused especially for hard sciences

agree it is about 80% of stem students who do research in professor's labs

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Anonymous wrote:Has the stats for any of the most selective schools but not focused on HYPMS due to unlikely odds. What are top schools that fit description but are more attainable like at U Chicago, Cornell level?

Already considering Rice but the Texas thing makes it not an ED choice.

Cornell and Chicago are slightly lower odds, but not by a lot unless your student goes to a significant feeder high school that sends students to these schools from the top20%/1470-1500 range, meaning your top stat kid should be a slam dunk. If you want to increase admission odds a little more and have your kids at a collaborative, rigorous research university choose WashU, Vanderbilt, Emory. Especially for Premed/biology/chemistry interests.

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Anonymous wrote:hopkins. student life has improved a lot with a ton of research opps.

columbia, penn also come to mind

I thought Hopkins was a grind, Columbia kids are miserable and Penn is pre-professional and competitive?

Hopkins is not at all what it used to be, and is notably easier for ED than any other T10 besides Chicago. They both have multiple ED rounds and generally admit "second tier" (just outside the top10% kids) students from private schools in ED, whereas plenty of top-everything Vals chose Penn, Dartmouth, Duke, Brown in ED.

Penn is no more competitive or preprofessional than any other T15/ivy, in fact less toxic than a couple of them, but is also not really an easier admit than HPYMS. All T10/ivy are "preprofessional"(lots of premeds, Econ/finance, prelaw). It has been like that since DH and I attended different ones then met at another for law school, '98. Even Chicago is preprofessional, no more "life of the mind" esoteric thinkers there than anywhere else.

Columbia from our private has slid to easier than other ivies for ED, though that is likely as it has many issues and a locked campus the past 2 years.

How is JHU an easier admit in ED round? ED acceptance is around 13% . Comparable to any ivy.

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Emory- Georgia is more purple than red in more places now, and Atlanta is a giant growing blue dot.

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Anonymous wrote:hopkins. student life has improved a lot with a ton of research opps.

columbia, penn also come to mind

I thought Hopkins was a grind, Columbia kids are miserable and Penn is pre-professional and competitive?

hopkins has ridiculous grade inflation now and students are a lot happier than decades ago

median in stem classes is usually between B/B+, overall median GPA usually 3.7ish. That is not "ridiculous" inflation, rather the same as almost every other T15 besides the super-inflators Harvard Duke and Brown (overall median 3.85ish). Even traditionally "low" Princeton and Penn are 3.65+ now.

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Anonymous wrote:hopkins. student life has improved a lot with a ton of research opps.

columbia, penn also come to mind

I thought Hopkins was a grind, Columbia kids are miserable and Penn is pre-professional and competitive?

Hopkins is not at all what it used to be, and is notably easier for ED than any other T10 besides Chicago. They both have multiple ED rounds and generally admit "second tier" (just outside the top10% kids) students from private schools in ED, whereas plenty of top-everything Vals chose Penn, Dartmouth, Duke, Brown in ED.

Penn is no more competitive or preprofessional than any other T15/ivy, in fact less toxic than a couple of them, but is also not really an easier admit than HPYMS. All T10/ivy are "preprofessional"(lots of premeds, Econ/finance, prelaw). It has been like that since DH and I attended different ones then met at another for law school, '98. Even Chicago is preprofessional, no more "life of the mind" esoteric thinkers there than anywhere else.

Columbia from our private has slid to easier than other ivies for ED, though that is likely as it has many issues and a locked campus the past 2 years.

How is JHU an easier admit in ED round? ED acceptance is around 13% . Comparable to any ivy.

unhooked kids get in ED from the second decile routinely. That does not happen with the ivies. Chicago ED unhooked is often just outside the top20%. It is a feederish high school. There is a notable difference in selectivity with those two and other T10/ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:Probably not highly ranked enough for you but William and Mary has a lot of similarities to Rice.

Caltech too if your kid is STEM focused.

DC's super nerdy personality may be a fit at Caltech (and she has the stats for it) but assume it's out of reach for someone without national-level competition ECs and it's another where-fun-goes-to-die school, no?

Don’t necessarily need national level competition, especially if female. And it’s definitely not a where-fun-goes-to-die school. They have a house system which creates great community and some of the houses are very much into partying. The houses also do these huge themed parties once or twice a year for the whole campus that are impressive - themes and set construction… The classes and research are very rigorous but the kids there are brilliant enough to handle them and having fun. But your kid must be certain she wants STEM.

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Anonymous wrote:Has the stats for any of the most selective schools but not focused on HYPMS due to unlikely odds. What are top schools that fit description but are more attainable like at U Chicago, Cornell level?

Already considering Rice but the Texas thing makes it not an ED choice.

I have a kid at Rice.

Really likes the positive atmosphere. And the residential college system. It's a smart school with friendly students. The internship opportunities have also been outstanding. And Houston is a very blue city. The downside has been the heat in September and May. But most of the academic year is very good, weather-wise.

You will not be meeting or engaging with right wing nutcases in Rice Village.

The other schools my Rice kid was interested in were MIT, Stanford, Princeton, McGill, UMD, USC, UC Boulder, Northwestern, Harvey Mudd, Penn, and Cornell.

But liked Rice more and applied ED and that was that.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re perfectly describing UChicago- people love it there.

You mean where fun goes to die?

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Anonymous wrote:hopkins. student life has improved a lot with a ton of research opps.

columbia, penn also come to mind

I thought Hopkins was a grind, Columbia kids are miserable and Penn is pre-professional and competitive?

Hopkins is extremely cutthroat. Exactly the opposite of collaborative.

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U Mich all the way!

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Anonymous wrote:You’re perfectly describing UChicago- people love it there.

You mean where fun goes to die?

For normies. Students love it there.

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University of Rochester
Case Western
William and Mary

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Northwestern University

WashUStL

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Tufts, Rensselaer, Rochester, honors college at a state flagship