how is FGLI and URM picked up by AOs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FGLI is not difficult to figure out. Parent education is straight up asked in the app. Income level is estimated, possibly by algorithm, from census tract via the College Landscape tool used by most colleges, as well as parent occupation.

Is parent occupation part of the college app?

not required

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a number of organizations working with colleges including QuestBridge, A Better Chance, College Match, EducationUSA, Gear Up, Lenfest Scholars Foundation, Matriculate, Open Dreams, Our Moon Education, TeenSharp, etc. Your DC should look them up and work with these organizations.

You somehow missed the most important ones (other than Questbridge).

Thrive and LEDA feed a significant portion of the first gen low income students into these top colleges. Look at the the thrive scholars decisions page: https://www.instagram.com/thrivedecisions29?igsh=ZTZ6OXU1M2JxOXdp and there’s also this https://www.instagram.com/thrivedecisions2028?igsh=MWE2NWdxNnYwbGEzcQ==" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.instagram.com/thrivedecisions2028?igsh=MWE2NWdxNnYwbGEzcQ==. These organizations vet majority Asian/Black/Hispanic students at good high schools or with outstanding academic records and spend millions in resources with corporate sponsors to get them ready for top colleges and eventually top industries.

+1, fgli admissions is based around Thrive, LEDA, CollegeMatchLA, and then Questbridge

This is the answer. 40% of Thrive Scholars go to Ivies, and an even higher percentage of LEDA scholars go to Ivies. These programs have hundreds of millions of dollars funneled by corporate sponsors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FGLI is not difficult to figure out. Parent education is straight up asked in the app. Income level is estimated, possibly by algorithm, from census tract via the College Landscape tool used by most colleges, as well as parent occupation.

Is parent occupation part of the college app?

not required

If an applicant wants to signal FGLI status, or alternatively, wants to signal that they are full pay, then they will fill out this section.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FGLI is not difficult to figure out. Parent education is straight up asked in the app. Income level is estimated, possibly by algorithm, from census tract via the College Landscape tool used by most colleges, as well as parent occupation.

Is parent occupation part of the college app?

not required

Parent occupation is optional, not required.

Parent education level is required.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges are businesses that use algorithms as part of the admissions process. An annual plan is developed at the top and AOs meet the goals they are given. Universities have access to sufficient demographic data to identify characteristics of applicants even if they don’t self-identify.

While the degree to which universities will continue to seek diversity will depend on university leadership and its financial posture. Next year will be better for full pay than those with financial need at most schools.

I live in nyc and even in our apartment building the wealth varies from 50k to 500k+. Our block is even more extreme

That’s NYC. Most kids applying to selective colleges live in the suburbs, and most suburbs are highly segregated by race and class.

[Anonymous]

I think URM is picked up by essays and maybe clubs. Still is making a difference at our school, though maybe not as much as it was five years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do AO see your zip code? Could be from demographic info there or from your high school?

How in the world would this be helpful.

College admissions is very much Big Data. There are datasets (Census, American Community Survey, & probably loads of privately collected ones), not difficult to link to zip code, with race or HHI (currently a proxy for race as there’s great disparity between, for example, whites & AA/black) or other demographic data that, taken together, can give someone a decent idea if someone is urm.

I would be shocked if universities are not using data science in admissions

[Anonymous]

Zip code is pretty meaningless in urban areas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are outside scholarships for kids of various races and they vet candidates, often by in-person interview.

OP I dont think these scholarships would be gained by this fall. but I could be wrong.

I'm working with some students now who dont want to write about this in their essay and, ugh, I think it's a missed opportunity bcs I dont know how else they signal what is a priority for some colleges still.

No, private scholarships can give their money to anyone they want. We haven't reached that level of fascism yet.

Many of these are directed at specific race groups (Native American being one) and/or FGLI.
They carry weight because the candidates are generally vetted to be who they say they are.

Illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are outside scholarships for kids of various races and they vet candidates, often by in-person interview.

OP I dont think these scholarships would be gained by this fall. but I could be wrong.

I'm working with some students now who dont want to write about this in their essay and, ugh, I think it's a missed opportunity bcs I dont know how else they signal what is a priority for some colleges still.

No, private scholarships can give their money to anyone they want. We haven't reached that level of fascism yet.

Many of these are directed at specific race groups (Native American being one) and/or FGLI.
They carry weight because the candidates are generally vetted to be who they say they are.

Illegal.

It's not. These are private scholarships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a number of organizations working with colleges including QuestBridge, A Better Chance, College Match, EducationUSA, Gear Up, Lenfest Scholars Foundation, Matriculate, Open Dreams, Our Moon Education, TeenSharp, etc. Your DC should look them up and work with these organizations.

You somehow missed the most important ones (other than Questbridge).

Thrive and LEDA feed a significant portion of the first gen low income students into these top colleges. Look at the the thrive scholars decisions page: https://www.instagram.com/thrivedecisions29?igsh=ZTZ6OXU1M2JxOXdp and there’s also this https://www.instagram.com/thrivedecisions2028?igsh=MWE2NWdxNnYwbGEzcQ==" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.instagram.com/thrivedecisions2028?igsh=MWE2NWdxNnYwbGEzcQ==. These organizations vet majority Asian/Black/Hispanic students at good high schools or with outstanding academic records and spend millions in resources with corporate sponsors to get them ready for top colleges and eventually top industries.

+1, fgli admissions is based around Thrive, LEDA, CollegeMatchLA, and then Questbridge

This is the answer. 40% of Thrive Scholars go to Ivies, and an even higher percentage of LEDA scholars go to Ivies. These programs have hundreds of millions of dollars funneled by corporate sponsors.

This is your answer OP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Zip code is pretty meaningless in urban areas.

They use census tract via the College Board Landscape Tool for the applicant.

[Anonymous]

Unless they can get a full 4 year scholarship, college is becoming rich kids only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Zip code is pretty meaningless in urban areas.

They use census tract via the College Board Landscape Tool for the applicant.

in urban areas, demographics are very different even on census tract

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FGLI is not difficult to figure out. Parent education is straight up asked in the app. Income level is estimated, possibly by algorithm, from census tract via the College Landscape tool used by most colleges, as well as parent occupation.

Is parent occupation part of the college app?

Yes. And place of education.