Looks like Trump copied El Salvador’s President.

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Anonymous wrote:The authoritarian playbook goes back further than Bukele.

This is how they all start. Most start are with significant support and popularity and everything is great until it isn’t. He got rid of the gangs in El Salvador which is great and it was popular. But what if he starts operating in ways that are unpopular, it’s going to be hard to get rid of him.

Bukele has said on the record that he knows that he has imprisoned some innocent people, but that was unfortunate to curb the violence.

https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-homicides-gangs-bukele-69384a8705267eaddd18dcd28a53465b#

El Salvador had 114 homicides in 2024 and more than 5,000 in 2016. Of course you’re going to imprison some people who are innocent if you cut the murder rate that severely. Bukele has a 91 percent approval rating because that is a monumental feat.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/02/el-salvador-elections-bukele-bitcoin-crime-gang-policy/

I wish our leaders had the same laser focus on curbing homicides in our inner cities. So much needless death and suffering and no one cares or is scared to do anything because of the army of lawyers in this country.

If you looked into it even a little, you would not wish our leaders would copy Bukele. It is not accidental that innocent people are imprisoned. The government has arrest quotas. When police are feeling the pressure of a deadline, they arrest the next guy who comes their way. I believe that the government gives itslelf two years to decide whether or not to press charges.

Yes, he has cleaned up El Salvador, but at what cost?! Did he have to use these methods?! The ends do not justify the means, they never have and never will.

Bukele's background is in marketing and advertising. He knows exactly what he is doing. Trump absolutely loves it.

Anyone who admires Bukele is either ignorant (this can either be forgivable or unforgivable--if you are on DCUM it is utterly unforgivable) or un-American.

El Salvadorans admire Bukele and want to go back to live there now. He has a 91 percent approval rating and has saved tens of thousands of lives of people who would have been murdered if he came along. You are so typical. You have more sympathy for criminals than their victims and for all the people in that country who lived in fear 24/7. Sick.

Initially the citizens love dictators. El Salvador has economic problems, no job growth. What will happen when poverty increases? He’s already eyeing a third term having made changes in their constitution and getting rid of anyone who won’t go along with it. Just like Putin and other dictators who refuse to leave did, freedoms for everyone will be gone, protests will be illegal, free speech will no longer tolerated, people will disappear .

No one minded when laws that protected people civil liberties were lifted to round up people accused of being in gangs. Now a few years later the people’s civil rights have not been restored. The government is looking into families with no criminal backgrounds. The dictator becomes paranoid thinking everyone is out to get him and the military police are on every corner.

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Anonymous wrote:The authoritarian playbook goes back further than Bukele.

This is how they all start. Most start are with significant support and popularity and everything is great until it isn’t. He got rid of the gangs in El Salvador which is great and it was popular. But what if he starts operating in ways that are unpopular, it’s going to be hard to get rid of him.

Bukele has said on the record that he knows that he has imprisoned some innocent people, but that was unfortunate to curb the violence.

https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-homicides-gangs-bukele-69384a8705267eaddd18dcd28a53465b#

El Salvador had 114 homicides in 2024 and more than 5,000 in 2016. Of course you’re going to imprison some people who are innocent if you cut the murder rate that severely. Bukele has a 91 percent approval rating because that is a monumental feat.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/02/el-salvador-elections-bukele-bitcoin-crime-gang-policy/

I wish our leaders had the same laser focus on curbing homicides in our inner cities. So much needless death and suffering and no one cares or is scared to do anything because of the army of lawyers in this country.

We don’t have the crime rates that people like Trump claim with their fear mongering. Murder rates are down in all of the major cities except two, Louisville Kentucky and Fort Worth Texas. Murders are up slightly in some smaller Southern cities.

States with Higher Murder Rates:
Mississippi: Consistently ranks among the highest in the nation.
Louisiana: Also consistently has a high murder rate.
Alabama: Another state with a high murder rate.
New Mexico
Tennessee

States with Lower Murder Rates:
Massachusetts: Has one of the lowest murder rates.
New Jersey: Also has a relatively low murder rate.
New York
Rhode Island
Hawaii

As a country we first need to admit that the states with virtually no gun control have the highest murder rates and these are almost always red states. If we can’t get honest about that we won’t make much progress.

The city murders numbers are largely contained in areas with American gangs and some international gangs. Drug wars and petty beefs between gangs competing for the drug sales.

Americans will not allow our freedoms to be suspended and we cannot allow innocent people to end up in violent jails because a campaign promise was to deport millions of criminals. Honestly there aren’t that many.

Obama deported more illegal immigrants than Trump can ever hope to deport and without the major production and drama. Trump’s need to be in the spotlight and to showboat constantly will be his downfall. One of many.

You can't just rattle off claims with no links to back them up. Provide all your links.

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Anonymous wrote:The authoritarian playbook goes back further than Bukele.

This is how they all start. Most start are with significant support and popularity and everything is great until it isn’t. He got rid of the gangs in El Salvador which is great and it was popular. But what if he starts operating in ways that are unpopular, it’s going to be hard to get rid of him.

Bukele has said on the record that he knows that he has imprisoned some innocent people, but that was unfortunate to curb the violence.

https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-homicides-gangs-bukele-69384a8705267eaddd18dcd28a53465b#

El Salvador had 114 homicides in 2024 and more than 5,000 in 2016. Of course you’re going to imprison some people who are innocent if you cut the murder rate that severely. Bukele has a 91 percent approval rating because that is a monumental feat.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/02/el-salvador-elections-bukele-bitcoin-crime-gang-policy/

I wish our leaders had the same laser focus on curbing homicides in our inner cities. So much needless death and suffering and no one cares or is scared to do anything because of the army of lawyers in this country.

Well then I hope YOU are caught up in a sweep and imprisoned without due process since you seem perfectly willing to wish that upon other people. You are a fascist. Nothing to be proud of.

Tell that to the 5,000 per year dead people’s families and the scores of rape victims that suffered before Bukele came into office.

How do you know that these crime numbers are even honest? Dictators have no accountability and they can just make up statistics if they want to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The authoritarian playbook goes back further than Bukele.

This is how they all start. Most start are with significant support and popularity and everything is great until it isn’t. He got rid of the gangs in El Salvador which is great and it was popular. But what if he starts operating in ways that are unpopular, it’s going to be hard to get rid of him.

Bukele has said on the record that he knows that he has imprisoned some innocent people, but that was unfortunate to curb the violence.

https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-homicides-gangs-bukele-69384a8705267eaddd18dcd28a53465b#

El Salvador had 114 homicides in 2024 and more than 5,000 in 2016. Of course you’re going to imprison some people who are innocent if you cut the murder rate that severely. Bukele has a 91 percent approval rating because that is a monumental feat.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/02/el-salvador-elections-bukele-bitcoin-crime-gang-policy/

I wish our leaders had the same laser focus on curbing homicides in our inner cities. So much needless death and suffering and no one cares or is scared to do anything because of the army of lawyers in this country.

We don’t have the crime rates that people like Trump claim with their fear mongering. Murder rates are down in all of the major cities except two, Louisville Kentucky and Fort Worth Texas. Murders are up slightly in some smaller Southern cities.

States with Higher Murder Rates:
Mississippi: Consistently ranks among the highest in the nation.
Louisiana: Also consistently has a high murder rate.
Alabama: Another state with a high murder rate.
New Mexico
Tennessee

States with Lower Murder Rates:
Massachusetts: Has one of the lowest murder rates.
New Jersey: Also has a relatively low murder rate.
New York
Rhode Island
Hawaii

As a country we first need to admit that the states with virtually no gun control have the highest murder rates and these are almost always red states. If we can’t get honest about that we won’t make much progress.

The city murders numbers are largely contained in areas with American gangs and some international gangs. Drug wars and petty beefs between gangs competing for the drug sales.

Americans will not allow our freedoms to be suspended and we cannot allow innocent people to end up in violent jails because a campaign promise was to deport millions of criminals. Honestly there aren’t that many.

Obama deported more illegal immigrants than Trump can ever hope to deport and without the major production and drama. Trump’s need to be in the spotlight and to showboat constantly will be his downfall. One of many.

You can't just rattle off claims with no links to back them up. Provide all your links.

Besides the list of states and murder rates, everything here is common knowledge if you keep up with national news. MAGA obviously does not read any news except extreme right wing and they won’t report these numbers because they go against what Trump is claiming. 2024 had 5,000 less murders than 2023. But Trump ran on the ridiculous worst kind of fear mongering claiming that the rapists and the insane and the murderers are pouring into our country.

Here’s a good article about the murder rate has gown down for the past three years 2022 - 2024.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/united-states-drop-homicides-2024/story?id=116902123

Here’s another site that shows the crime rate has historic drops in 2023 from 2022. Even more drops in crime in 2024.

https://everytownresearch.org/report/city-data/

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-murder-rates/

There will be differences depending on how they did the numbers. The whole state or just cities, per capita or total. But there’s no disputing that the crime rates went down when Biden was president. The immigrants did not come in and start killing. Trump ran on fear because he had nothing else. No economic plan, no education plan, no infrastructure plan, nothing.