Harvard Crimson - 1 in 11 students to Harvard from just 21 high schools

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools are all about the niche sports that Harvard keeps using for admissions.

That’s only part of it.

These schools are excellent preparation for college — especially the private schools.

- Graduate of one of the MA schools on the list

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These schools are known entities. The kids perform well. The fact that so many are local is not a bad thing, it's logical.

I graduated from one of the private boarding schools on the list. I was a local and on scholarship. Back when I attended half of our graduating class (HALF!) applied to Harvard. I think around 15 got in my year. People were upset, yearning for the good old days when half the class attended Harvard. Nowadays, 2 or 3 or 4 are accepted per year. Yes, that may be a lot all things considered, but Harvard has moved decidedly away from the prep schools in favor of the public school kids.

Except you are wrong. 37% of Harvard students come from private schools. 83% of United States students attend public schools.

Only 11% attend private schools.

Harvard is not for the poors, no matter how much more qualified they are. End of story.

[Anonymous]

I am honestly surprised it is not more, and two decades ago (before DEI was a thing to care about in a genuine manner) I would guess (and its a complete guess) it would be closer to 30% or more.

I also would suspect, 1 in 11 comes from these schools, but how many in 11 come from elite private schools in other cities (like GDS, STA, etc) and the elite rich public schools like Wellesley High in Ma, New Trier in Ill, etc?

Harvard is for rich kids from elite schools and families, recruited athletes, and then like a small number of middle-class kids who are exceptional, then a small number of truly poor students/first gen kids who get "legs up" through programs or a teacher who steers them toward the ivy league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am honestly surprised it is not more, and two decades ago (before DEI was a thing to care about in a genuine manner) I would guess (and its a complete guess) it would be closer to 30% or more.

I also would suspect, 1 in 11 comes from these schools, but how many in 11 come from elite private schools in other cities (like GDS, STA, etc) and the elite rich public schools like Wellesley High in Ma, New Trier in Ill, etc?

Harvard is for rich kids from elite schools and families, recruited athletes, and then like a small number of middle-class kids who are exceptional, then a small number of truly poor students/first gen kids who get "legs up" through programs or a teacher who steers them toward the ivy league.

57% of Harvard undergrads get need-based institutional grants, at an average of 56k each.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am honestly surprised it is not more, and two decades ago (before DEI was a thing to care about in a genuine manner) I would guess (and its a complete guess) it would be closer to 30% or more.

I also would suspect, 1 in 11 comes from these schools, but how many in 11 come from elite private schools in other cities (like GDS, STA, etc) and the elite rich public schools like Wellesley High in Ma, New Trier in Ill, etc?

Harvard is for rich kids from elite schools and families, recruited athletes, and then like a small number of middle-class kids who are exceptional, then a small number of truly poor students/first gen kids who get "legs up" through programs or a teacher who steers them toward the ivy league.

A large number of those truly poor students and first gen kids actually attend schools on the list. Stuyvesant is and has always been a high-FARMS school attended by many children of working-class immigrants. And many of the other poor students and first gen kids are those that get scholarships for high school to elite private schools on the list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the Big Three from the DMV hahahahaha

Imagine paying $60k+ a year per kid for one of these schools lmao

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Why is this surprising? Rich kids form some of the best schools in the country whose probably have generations of family who went to Harvard.

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1/11th is not that great of a percentage. Over 90% from other schools. Big deal.

[Anonymous]

It isn’t surprising. But again, a stark example of wealth hoarding by those with privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the Big Three from the DMV hahahahaha

Imagine paying $60k+ a year per kid for one of these schools lmao

Ha Z list. Malia Obama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t surprising. But again, a stark example of wealth hoarding by those with privilege.

Do you give your money away?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These schools are known entities. The kids perform well. The fact that so many are local is not a bad thing, it's logical.

I graduated from one of the private boarding schools on the list. I was a local and on scholarship. Back when I attended half of our graduating class (HALF!) applied to Harvard. I think around 15 got in my year. People were upset, yearning for the good old days when half the class attended Harvard. Nowadays, 2 or 3 or 4 are accepted per year. Yes, that may be a lot all things considered, but Harvard has moved decidedly away from the prep schools in favor of the public school kids.

Except you are wrong. 37% of Harvard students come from private schools. 83% of United States students attend public schools.

Only 11% attend private schools.

Harvard is not for the poors, no matter how much more qualified they are. End of story.

I said they have moved dramatically away, not that they don't still take a large number from those schools. Again, that is a list of high-level schools. The top students at those schools are without question prepared. Of course Harvard takes a lot of them.

Look, I went to one of the prep schools and my kids are at FCPS. I worked twice as hard as my kids, maybe four times as hard. The expectations at my school in the 90s was absurdly higher than what my kids deal with. My oldest is probably my most driven kid and his extracurriculars are so much more interesting and time-consuming than anything I ever did, but school... just not that hard. My tenth grader gets all As and still has no homework (I did it all at school) other than occasionally studying for a test. Maybe my prep school has declined since the 90s and is no longer so demanding but I just can't believe that they have lowered their standards to the level of my kids supposedly one of the best in Virginia high schools.

Also, every school that charges 90K is going to have a disproportionate amount of wealthy students. But for what it's worth, Harvard gives a huge amount of financial aid and likely has the most middle class students of the expensive privates due simply to its endowment.

And just to be clear: my perfect grades/scores, impressive extra-curriculars, tons of leadership kid did not get into Harvard. What can you do? The legacy stuff doesn't matter if you are not a six zero donor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does it surprise anyone that Harvard's "commitment to diversity and inclusion" doesn't extend to the poors who have to attend public schools?

Why feign shock at their hypocrisy?

The average black student at harvard is less likely to be poor than the average student at harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am honestly surprised it is not more, and two decades ago (before DEI was a thing to care about in a genuine manner) I would guess (and its a complete guess) it would be closer to 30% or more.

I also would suspect, 1 in 11 comes from these schools, but how many in 11 come from elite private schools in other cities (like GDS, STA, etc) and the elite rich public schools like Wellesley High in Ma, New Trier in Ill, etc?

Harvard is for rich kids from elite schools and families, recruited athletes, and then like a small number of middle-class kids who are exceptional, then a small number of truly poor students/first gen kids who get "legs up" through programs or a teacher who steers them toward the ivy league.

A large number of those truly poor students and first gen kids actually attend schools on the list. Stuyvesant is and has always been a high-FARMS school attended by many children of working-class immigrants. And many of the other poor students and first gen kids are those that get scholarships for high school to elite private schools on the list.

The majority of those poor stuy kids are asian so does that even count?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These schools are known entities. The kids perform well. The fact that so many are local is not a bad thing, it's logical.

I graduated from one of the private boarding schools on the list. I was a local and on scholarship. Back when I attended half of our graduating class (HALF!) applied to Harvard. I think around 15 got in my year. People were upset, yearning for the good old days when half the class attended Harvard. Nowadays, 2 or 3 or 4 are accepted per year. Yes, that may be a lot all things considered, but Harvard has moved decidedly away from the prep schools in favor of the public school kids.

Except you are wrong. 37% of Harvard students come from private schools. 83% of United States students attend public schools.

Only 11% attend private schools.

Harvard is not for the poors, no matter how much more qualified they are. End of story.

I said they have moved dramatically away, not that they don't still take a large number from those schools. Again, that is a list of high-level schools. The top students at those schools are without question prepared. Of course Harvard takes a lot of them.

Look, I went to one of the prep schools and my kids are at FCPS. I worked twice as hard as my kids, maybe four times as hard. The expectations at my school in the 90s was absurdly higher than what my kids deal with. My oldest is probably my most driven kid and his extracurriculars are so much more interesting and time-consuming than anything I ever did, but school... just not that hard. My tenth grader gets all As and still has no homework (I did it all at school) other than occasionally studying for a test. Maybe my prep school has declined since the 90s and is no longer so demanding but I just can't believe that they have lowered their standards to the level of my kids supposedly one of the best in Virginia high schools.

Also, every school that charges 90K is going to have a disproportionate amount of wealthy students. But for what it's worth, Harvard gives a huge amount of financial aid and likely has the most middle class students of the expensive privates due simply to its endowment.

And just to be clear: my perfect grades/scores, impressive extra-curriculars, tons of leadership kid did not get into Harvard. What can you do? The legacy stuff doesn't matter if you are not a six zero donor.

That would probably be MIT because MIT is worth the sacrifice for middle class families that fall into the donut hole.