Can a school retaliate in the TJ admissions process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of those parents who always questions things. I am always opting out of stupid SEL nonsense, controversial books. and the like, and in general I don't allow the school to push their agenda to my kid. What I do however is just for my kid, I don't go public with all these, I always resolve the issues at the school level or at the FCPS admin level. In other words, I am not an activist, all I care about is that my child is instilled with our family values., but I always push back if I have to, and push back politely but firmly.
Would all these play a role to my kid's TJ admission process? Is there a chance that the school retaliates behind the scenes and "kills" my kid's chances, assume all else is equal?

“I am not interested in my child learning anything that challenges their thinking beyond what I’ve instilled in them. I only want them to learn what I believe in.” sorry, but this isn’t your right in the public school system. They’re not supposed to be echo chambers and can’t customize to individual belief systems. (Thank goodness!)

Weren't you paying attention. That is exactly what we allow. You can opt out of the more controversial stuff.
You would feel the same way if they started teaching trumpsim in our schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You aren't that special.

But I don't think you'll like the course material at TJ.

Or the cohort.

Or most people in Northern VA.

Maybe Florida or Texas would be a better fit.

Over 1/3 of Fairfax County voted for Youngkin.
~28% of fairfax voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020

[Anonymous]

If you don't see most SEL as a time waster at your kids' schools, you either homeschool or don't have kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of those parents who always questions things. I am always opting out of stupid SEL nonsense, controversial books. and the like, and in general I don't allow the school to push their agenda to my kid. What I do however is just for my kid, I don't go public with all these, I always resolve the issues at the school level or at the FCPS admin level. In other words, I am not an activist, all I care about is that my child is instilled with our family values., but I always push back if I have to, and push back politely but firmly.
Would all these play a role to my kid's TJ admission process? Is there a chance that the school retaliates behind the scenes and "kills" my kid's chances, assume all else is equal?

“I am not interested in my child learning anything that challenges their thinking beyond what I’ve instilled in them. I only want them to learn what I believe in.” sorry, but this isn’t your right in the public school system. They’re not supposed to be echo chambers and can’t customize to individual belief systems. (Thank goodness!)

Weren't you paying attention. That is exactly what we allow. You can opt out of the more controversial stuff.
You would feel the same way if they started teaching trumpsim in our schools.

Yeah I hate the left-wing algebra and physical science! Drives me crazy that my kids are indoctrinated into this! And don’t get me started on the flag football in PE. And I can’t stand it that my boy crazy teenage daughter is kind and inclusive of people with different sexual orientations. I wish she’d bully them like a normal teen instead of accepting them as different than she is. Oh, and she acknowledges that slavery happened and was wrong. Those liberals are taking over education!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You aren't that special.

But I don't think you'll like the course material at TJ.

Or the cohort.

Or most people in Northern VA.

Maybe Florida or Texas would be a better fit.

Over 1/3 of Fairfax County voted for Youngkin.
~28% of fairfax voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020

Gross.

And even more of that in FL/TX. Bye!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you don't see most SEL as a time waster at your kids' schools, you either homeschool or don't have kids.

If you see it as a time waster your kids definitely need it the most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you don't see most SEL as a time waster at your kids' schools, you either homeschool or don't have kids.

If you see it as a time waster your kids definitely need it the most.

Clueless poster. You don't even know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of those parents who always questions things. I am always opting out of stupid SEL nonsense, controversial books. and the like, and in general I don't allow the school to push their agenda to my kid. What I do however is just for my kid, I don't go public with all these, I always resolve the issues at the school level or at the FCPS admin level. In other words, I am not an activist, all I care about is that my child is instilled with our family values., but I always push back if I have to, and push back politely but firmly.
Would all these play a role to my kid's TJ admission process? Is there a chance that the school retaliates behind the scenes and "kills" my kid's chances, assume all else is equal?

Your middle school is probably just waiting for your student to graduate so they won’t have to deal with you anymore. They likely don’t care whether your student gets into TJ, their base school, or somewhere else.

Lol. Anyone who takes school admin and teacher time to customize or complain about their child's education becomes a "we'll be glad when you're gone" candidate.

Just for the reason that your specialness and advocacy are taking time away from their core job - which is NOT parent relations.

I agree with those who say:

1) The school would be more indifferent or maybe even positive about moving you out

2) Quality teachers and admins do not punish kids for their parents' behaviors

3) You and your kid might have issues at TJ

Also, you should consider that if your child has demonstrated disrespect, evangelizing, or complaining about the current school...this could show up in evaluative feedback somewhere along the line.

Education of children is mainly a conformist experience. You can switch institutions to conform to different norms that suit you better. But basic human nature works against complainers.

You're right that a lot of SEL is b.s. but the goals are pro-social. So hard to speak out against without looking like an AH.

if SEL is B.S., what else would you suggest?

DP. I'd suggest getting on with it, teaching academics, rather than spending time on SEL which is usually useless and sometimes harmful.

“Harmful”? How so? Do you know the content included in those units?

You actually have kids in FCPS? How much time do they spend per week on SEL?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you don't see most SEL as a time waster at your kids' schools, you either homeschool or don't have kids.

If you see it as a time waster your kids definitely need it the most.

Clueless poster. You don't even know.

Please explain the specific topics that you don’t want your kids to learn about.

Topics that are actually taught in FCPS, not some RWNJ fantasy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of those parents who always questions things. I am always opting out of stupid SEL nonsense, controversial books. and the like, and in general I don't allow the school to push their agenda to my kid. What I do however is just for my kid, I don't go public with all these, I always resolve the issues at the school level or at the FCPS admin level. In other words, I am not an activist, all I care about is that my child is instilled with our family values., but I always push back if I have to, and push back politely but firmly.
Would all these play a role to my kid's TJ admission process? Is there a chance that the school retaliates behind the scenes and "kills" my kid's chances, assume all else is equal?

Your middle school is probably just waiting for your student to graduate so they won’t have to deal with you anymore. They likely don’t care whether your student gets into TJ, their base school, or somewhere else.

Lol. Anyone who takes school admin and teacher time to customize or complain about their child's education becomes a "we'll be glad when you're gone" candidate.

Just for the reason that your specialness and advocacy are taking time away from their core job - which is NOT parent relations.

I agree with those who say:

1) The school would be more indifferent or maybe even positive about moving you out

2) Quality teachers and admins do not punish kids for their parents' behaviors

3) You and your kid might have issues at TJ

Also, you should consider that if your child has demonstrated disrespect, evangelizing, or complaining about the current school...this could show up in evaluative feedback somewhere along the line.

Education of children is mainly a conformist experience. You can switch institutions to conform to different norms that suit you better. But basic human nature works against complainers.

You're right that a lot of SEL is b.s. but the goals are pro-social. So hard to speak out against without looking like an AH.

if SEL is B.S., what else would you suggest?

DP. I'd suggest getting on with it, teaching academics, rather than spending time on SEL which is usually useless and sometimes harmful.

“Harmful”? How so? Do you know the content included in those units?

You actually have kids in FCPS? How much time do they spend per week on SEL?

Focusing too much on mental health causes mental health issues, both in studies and intuitively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of those parents who always questions things. I am always opting out of stupid SEL nonsense, controversial books. and the like, and in general I don't allow the school to push their agenda to my kid. What I do however is just for my kid, I don't go public with all these, I always resolve the issues at the school level or at the FCPS admin level. In other words, I am not an activist, all I care about is that my child is instilled with our family values., but I always push back if I have to, and push back politely but firmly.
Would all these play a role to my kid's TJ admission process? Is there a chance that the school retaliates behind the scenes and "kills" my kid's chances, assume all else is equal?

Your middle school is probably just waiting for your student to graduate so they won’t have to deal with you anymore. They likely don’t care whether your student gets into TJ, their base school, or somewhere else.

Lol. Anyone who takes school admin and teacher time to customize or complain about their child's education becomes a "we'll be glad when you're gone" candidate.

Just for the reason that your specialness and advocacy are taking time away from their core job - which is NOT parent relations.

I agree with those who say:

1) The school would be more indifferent or maybe even positive about moving you out

2) Quality teachers and admins do not punish kids for their parents' behaviors

3) You and your kid might have issues at TJ

Also, you should consider that if your child has demonstrated disrespect, evangelizing, or complaining about the current school...this could show up in evaluative feedback somewhere along the line.

Education of children is mainly a conformist experience. You can switch institutions to conform to different norms that suit you better. But basic human nature works against complainers.

You're right that a lot of SEL is b.s. but the goals are pro-social. So hard to speak out against without looking like an AH.

if SEL is B.S., what else would you suggest?

DP. I'd suggest getting on with it, teaching academics, rather than spending time on SEL which is usually useless and sometimes harmful.

“Harmful”? How so? Do you know the content included in those units?

You actually have kids in FCPS? How much time do they spend per week on SEL?

Focusing too much on mental health causes mental health issues, both in studies and intuitively.

How much time per week does your kid spend focusing on mental health issues at their FCPS school?

If you actually have any kids…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of those parents who always questions things. I am always opting out of stupid SEL nonsense, controversial books. and the like, and in general I don't allow the school to push their agenda to my kid. What I do however is just for my kid, I don't go public with all these, I always resolve the issues at the school level or at the FCPS admin level. In other words, I am not an activist, all I care about is that my child is instilled with our family values., but I always push back if I have to, and push back politely but firmly.
Would all these play a role to my kid's TJ admission process? Is there a chance that the school retaliates behind the scenes and "kills" my kid's chances, assume all else is equal?

Your middle school is probably just waiting for your student to graduate so they won’t have to deal with you anymore. They likely don’t care whether your student gets into TJ, their base school, or somewhere else.

Lol. Anyone who takes school admin and teacher time to customize or complain about their child's education becomes a "we'll be glad when you're gone" candidate.

Just for the reason that your specialness and advocacy are taking time away from their core job - which is NOT parent relations.

I agree with those who say:

1) The school would be more indifferent or maybe even positive about moving you out

2) Quality teachers and admins do not punish kids for their parents' behaviors

3) You and your kid might have issues at TJ

Also, you should consider that if your child has demonstrated disrespect, evangelizing, or complaining about the current school...this could show up in evaluative feedback somewhere along the line.

Education of children is mainly a conformist experience. You can switch institutions to conform to different norms that suit you better. But basic human nature works against complainers.

You're right that a lot of SEL is b.s. but the goals are pro-social. So hard to speak out against without looking like an AH.

if SEL is B.S., what else would you suggest?

DP. I'd suggest getting on with it, teaching academics, rather than spending time on SEL which is usually useless and sometimes harmful.

PP. Agree with poster immediately above. I'm the one who said SEL was b.s. I don't think it's helping anyone, including the troubled kids. In practice, restorative justice doesn't work either. The theory makes sense but the implementation is terrible. Kids should just be kept apart. Victims shouldn't be forced to sit with their bullies and get fake apologies or non-apologies from winking bullies who go right back to it. And when you have ALL kids reflect on trauma, some kids start mischaracterizing ordinary teen stuff as trauma.

I don't know what you would describe as the non-presence of this material in curriculum in Gen-X times in politically average neighborhoods but that's what I want back. Preach an acceptance and tolerance message and stop there. Less time on feelings. If there are kids the teacher wants to talk to privately or send to a counselor, handle it that way.

As adult school district committee parent volunteers (not in VA), we are asked to do the "Feelings Wheel" for 15 minutes of a 1 hour, 6 times a year community school district meeting. As a purely b.s. check-in exercise. There is nothing about the meeting that's upsetting. In fact, they seem to avoid having the citizen committee members having time to express opinions by filling the agenda with this kind of stuff.

All this is going to go the way of Lucy Calkins. It will just take time to prove that it is ineffective.

By the way, I am not a right winger. I am a past Dem presidential campaign worker and donor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of those parents who always questions things. I am always opting out of stupid SEL nonsense, controversial books. and the like, and in general I don't allow the school to push their agenda to my kid. What I do however is just for my kid, I don't go public with all these, I always resolve the issues at the school level or at the FCPS admin level. In other words, I am not an activist, all I care about is that my child is instilled with our family values., but I always push back if I have to, and push back politely but firmly.
Would all these play a role to my kid's TJ admission process? Is there a chance that the school retaliates behind the scenes and "kills" my kid's chances, assume all else is equal?

Your middle school is probably just waiting for your student to graduate so they won’t have to deal with you anymore. They likely don’t care whether your student gets into TJ, their base school, or somewhere else.

Lol. Anyone who takes school admin and teacher time to customize or complain about their child's education becomes a "we'll be glad when you're gone" candidate.

Just for the reason that your specialness and advocacy are taking time away from their core job - which is NOT parent relations.

I agree with those who say:

1) The school would be more indifferent or maybe even positive about moving you out

2) Quality teachers and admins do not punish kids for their parents' behaviors

3) You and your kid might have issues at TJ

Also, you should consider that if your child has demonstrated disrespect, evangelizing, or complaining about the current school...this could show up in evaluative feedback somewhere along the line.

Education of children is mainly a conformist experience. You can switch institutions to conform to different norms that suit you better. But basic human nature works against complainers.

You're right that a lot of SEL is b.s. but the goals are pro-social. So hard to speak out against without looking like an AH.

if SEL is B.S., what else would you suggest?

DP. I'd suggest getting on with it, teaching academics, rather than spending time on SEL which is usually useless and sometimes harmful.

PP. Agree with poster immediately above. I'm the one who said SEL was b.s. I don't think it's helping anyone, including the troubled kids. In practice, restorative justice doesn't work either. The theory makes sense but the implementation is terrible. Kids should just be kept apart. Victims shouldn't be forced to sit with their bullies and get fake apologies or non-apologies from winking bullies who go right back to it. And when you have ALL kids reflect on trauma, some kids start mischaracterizing ordinary teen stuff as trauma.

I don't know what you would describe as the non-presence of this material in curriculum in Gen-X times in politically average neighborhoods but that's what I want back. Preach an acceptance and tolerance message and stop there. Less time on feelings. If there are kids the teacher wants to talk to privately or send to a counselor, handle it that way.

As adult school district committee parent volunteers (not in VA), we are asked to do the "Feelings Wheel" for 15 minutes of a 1 hour, 6 times a year community school district meeting. As a purely b.s. check-in exercise. There is nothing about the meeting that's upsetting. In fact, they seem to avoid having the citizen committee members having time to express opinions by filling the agenda with this kind of stuff.

All this is going to go the way of Lucy Calkins. It will just take time to prove that it is ineffective.

By the way, I am not a right winger. I am a past Dem presidential campaign worker and donor.

So you are an outside agitator. Got it.

GTFO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of those parents who always questions things. I am always opting out of stupid SEL nonsense, controversial books. and the like, and in general I don't allow the school to push their agenda to my kid. What I do however is just for my kid, I don't go public with all these, I always resolve the issues at the school level or at the FCPS admin level. In other words, I am not an activist, all I care about is that my child is instilled with our family values., but I always push back if I have to, and push back politely but firmly.
Would all these play a role to my kid's TJ admission process? Is there a chance that the school retaliates behind the scenes and "kills" my kid's chances, assume all else is equal?

Your middle school is probably just waiting for your student to graduate so they won’t have to deal with you anymore. They likely don’t care whether your student gets into TJ, their base school, or somewhere else.

Lol. Anyone who takes school admin and teacher time to customize or complain about their child's education becomes a "we'll be glad when you're gone" candidate.

Just for the reason that your specialness and advocacy are taking time away from their core job - which is NOT parent relations.

I agree with those who say:

1) The school would be more indifferent or maybe even positive about moving you out

2) Quality teachers and admins do not punish kids for their parents' behaviors

3) You and your kid might have issues at TJ

Also, you should consider that if your child has demonstrated disrespect, evangelizing, or complaining about the current school...this could show up in evaluative feedback somewhere along the line.

Education of children is mainly a conformist experience. You can switch institutions to conform to different norms that suit you better. But basic human nature works against complainers.

You're right that a lot of SEL is b.s. but the goals are pro-social. So hard to speak out against without looking like an AH.

if SEL is B.S., what else would you suggest?

DP. I'd suggest getting on with it, teaching academics, rather than spending time on SEL which is usually useless and sometimes harmful.

PP. Agree with poster immediately above. I'm the one who said SEL was b.s. I don't think it's helping anyone, including the troubled kids. In practice, restorative justice doesn't work either. The theory makes sense but the implementation is terrible. Kids should just be kept apart. Victims shouldn't be forced to sit with their bullies and get fake apologies or non-apologies from winking bullies who go right back to it. And when you have ALL kids reflect on trauma, some kids start mischaracterizing ordinary teen stuff as trauma.

I don't know what you would describe as the non-presence of this material in curriculum in Gen-X times in politically average neighborhoods but that's what I want back. Preach an acceptance and tolerance message and stop there. Less time on feelings. If there are kids the teacher wants to talk to privately or send to a counselor, handle it that way.

As adult school district committee parent volunteers (not in VA), we are asked to do the "Feelings Wheel" for 15 minutes of a 1 hour, 6 times a year community school district meeting. As a purely b.s. check-in exercise. There is nothing about the meeting that's upsetting. In fact, they seem to avoid having the citizen committee members having time to express opinions by filling the agenda with this kind of stuff.

All this is going to go the way of Lucy Calkins. It will just take time to prove that it is ineffective.

By the way, I am not a right winger. I am a past Dem presidential campaign worker and donor.

So you are an outside agitator. Got it.

GTFO.

DP here.

You are the reason we lose elections. If trump wins it's because you are keeping people sitting home on their couch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm one of those parents who always questions things. I am always opting out of stupid SEL nonsense, controversial books. and the like, and in general I don't allow the school to push their agenda to my kid. What I do however is just for my kid, I don't go public with all these, I always resolve the issues at the school level or at the FCPS admin level. In other words, I am not an activist, all I care about is that my child is instilled with our family values., but I always push back if I have to, and push back politely but firmly.
Would all these play a role to my kid's TJ admission process? Is there a chance that the school retaliates behind the scenes and "kills" my kid's chances, assume all else is equal?

Your middle school is probably just waiting for your student to graduate so they won’t have to deal with you anymore. They likely don’t care whether your student gets into TJ, their base school, or somewhere else.

Lol. Anyone who takes school admin and teacher time to customize or complain about their child's education becomes a "we'll be glad when you're gone" candidate.

Just for the reason that your specialness and advocacy are taking time away from their core job - which is NOT parent relations.

I agree with those who say:

1) The school would be more indifferent or maybe even positive about moving you out

2) Quality teachers and admins do not punish kids for their parents' behaviors

3) You and your kid might have issues at TJ

Also, you should consider that if your child has demonstrated disrespect, evangelizing, or complaining about the current school...this could show up in evaluative feedback somewhere along the line.

Education of children is mainly a conformist experience. You can switch institutions to conform to different norms that suit you better. But basic human nature works against complainers.

You're right that a lot of SEL is b.s. but the goals are pro-social. So hard to speak out against without looking like an AH.

if SEL is B.S., what else would you suggest?

DP. I'd suggest getting on with it, teaching academics, rather than spending time on SEL which is usually useless and sometimes harmful.

PP. Agree with poster immediately above. I'm the one who said SEL was b.s. I don't think it's helping anyone, including the troubled kids. In practice, restorative justice doesn't work either. The theory makes sense but the implementation is terrible. Kids should just be kept apart. Victims shouldn't be forced to sit with their bullies and get fake apologies or non-apologies from winking bullies who go right back to it. And when you have ALL kids reflect on trauma, some kids start mischaracterizing ordinary teen stuff as trauma.

I don't know what you would describe as the non-presence of this material in curriculum in Gen-X times in politically average neighborhoods but that's what I want back. Preach an acceptance and tolerance message and stop there. Less time on feelings. If there are kids the teacher wants to talk to privately or send to a counselor, handle it that way.

As adult school district committee parent volunteers (not in VA), we are asked to do the "Feelings Wheel" for 15 minutes of a 1 hour, 6 times a year community school district meeting. As a purely b.s. check-in exercise. There is nothing about the meeting that's upsetting. In fact, they seem to avoid having the citizen committee members having time to express opinions by filling the agenda with this kind of stuff.

All this is going to go the way of Lucy Calkins. It will just take time to prove that it is ineffective.

By the way, I am not a right winger. I am a past Dem presidential campaign worker and donor.

So you are an outside agitator. Got it.

GTFO.

DP here.

You are the reason we lose elections. If trump wins it's because you are keeping people sitting home on their couch.

People base their vote (or lack thereof) on anonymous people on a mommy website? Ok…

PP is talking out of her @ss. She doesn’t live in the area and has no clue what SEL looks like in FCPS or anything related to TJ admissions.

Outside agitator.