Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:If the BOE uses the phrase “transfer of wealth” in reference to what they’d like to achieve in the boundary studies then they are going to have a bad time come elections.

They would never. MoCo is the most neo-liberal liberal place on earth. Those board of ed members don't believe in wealth transfers, they simply just want to say they allowed more marginalized people to become winners in a system that always has to have losers (capitalism). They are not radical enough to actually want a brand new and more fair system as a whole.

But the "losers" have been determined by race. Look at the racial wealth gap. Free markets are based on who is most productive. By limiting opportunity based on race (because the racial wealth gap is the result of centuries of oppression that directly impact who lives where), we undermine the free market.

And you want the BOE to fix that through boundary changes, correct?

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Every. Single. School. Must. Be. Made. Safe. From. Violent. Kids.

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Anonymous wrote:All I see here is people who used to say “the Whitman district” or “the BCC district” realizing that they are in fact all in the “MCPS district.” This is one organization that must think about one county’s needs as a whole.

Good schools are good schools because of the people that buy homes in the school. If you put all of Kennedy at Whitman and all of Whitman at Kennedy then Kennedy would be the highest performing school.

Making our best schools worse than they are doesn't do anything good for the county. All it does is drive away the people that prioritize schools.

We chose our DCC school very intentionally. It was what we could afford without overextending ourselves. We love the school our child attends.

+1 except we could have bought in Bethesda but preferred the DCC. Meanwhile we absolutely prioritize education. We just also prioritize diversity, walkability, short commutes.

I feel the same way about WJ. But if I type the exact same words but say WJ instead of DCC, it is hoarding, segregation
etc etc
There is nothing wrong with loving your child’s school and being nervous about a change or opposing long bus rides.
Given that you prioritize education, walkability and short commutes, how would you like a 45 min bus ride for your child for the greater good? Would you want to know at the very least that the benefit would be worth it?

The PP was responding to a post implying that only people on the west side of the county care about their kids' education. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Of course there are parents throughout the entire county who value education. It is idiotic to think otherwise

Therefore you disagree with the person who suggested "the people who prioritize schools" only live in one part of the county. But you took offense to somebody literally describing the factors they prioritized when purchasing their DCC house. This is getting tiresome.

It is tiresome.

The trope that emerges from West county re valuing education

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The trope that emerges from East county re racism, hoarding

You never seem to be bothered when an entire group of people is told they are racist and hoarding when in fact they have similar sentiments to others about commute time.

So you don't think it is okay to call out racist people who literally say that based on where they live, they prioritize education, and based on where other people live, they do not prioritize education?

Do you think it is okay to oppose boundary changes solely because of impacts on property values? Because that is resource hoarding, pure and simple. If you are literally just against long bus rides, those comments don't refer to you. For some reason though, you are against calling a spade a spade.

Well they aren’t hoarding resources because they ARE the resources. The schools in the West are high performing because highly educated people moved there and raised the scores. The property values rose because the highly educated people’s kids brought up the scores. So now bussing those kids away in large enough numbers while bussing in lower performing kids will lower the scores and the property values. I can see why people are pissed as they are being used, the value that they helped create is taken away while their kid is bussed away to juice up somebody else’s property values.

oh. you literally think PEOPLE on the east side of the county have less value than you do. wow.

Prove them wrong by raising school scores and property values on the east side instead of rooting for pain and destruction for the west side.

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Anonymous wrote:Property values are something that any BOE member should care about.

Or at least the county council.

No. If some people's property values go down, others will go up. It's all the same to the Council. Sorry the government won't prop up your wealth.

This person is dumb. Thinks there's a finite amount of a pie. Go study economics

Agree.

GMAFB, none of you can actually describe any academic literature suggesting that this boundary study will reduce tax revenues.

The boundary study? Or actually changing boundaries? Be specific. Would historical studies from other places where poorer kids were bused into richer schools suffice? The concept laid out in option 3 of busing richer kids to poorer neighborhoods involuntarily does not seem to have been performed at a region-wide level (at least in the u.s in a city) so it would be challenging to find a historical study showing that.

But also you’ve made a claim with no support; why don’t you show us some academic studies?

Got it. You (or another PP) who suggested I "go study economics" can cite zero literature supporting their claims. lol

I can show you many many studies about how school zones impact property values. This is a no-brainer it is so well-known. But I asked you to be precise about your question (which you won’t) and also to provide support for your claims (which you won’t).

Just admit that the school rezoning might decrease Mocos property tax base, leading to less money for kids and schools.

Get over it. You all wanted overcrowding addressed so some of you will have to change schools. Property values should be the least of your concerns.

They are busy googling "school boundaries and tax revenues" to find the mountain of studies/economic literature they pretended exist

Woodward will still be as healthy school. It’s funny they are scared of Wheaton kids when their schools have lots of problems.

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Anonymous wrote:All I see here is people who used to say “the Whitman district” or “the BCC district” realizing that they are in fact all in the “MCPS district.” This is one organization that must think about one county’s needs as a whole.

Good schools are good schools because of the people that buy homes in the school. If you put all of Kennedy at Whitman and all of Whitman at Kennedy then Kennedy would be the highest performing school.

Making our best schools worse than they are doesn't do anything good for the county. All it does is drive away the people that prioritize schools.

We chose our DCC school very intentionally. It was what we could afford without overextending ourselves. We love the school our child attends.

+1 except we could have bought in Bethesda but preferred the DCC. Meanwhile we absolutely prioritize education. We just also prioritize diversity, walkability, short commutes.

I feel the same way about WJ. But if I type the exact same words but say WJ instead of DCC, it is hoarding, segregation
etc etc
There is nothing wrong with loving your child’s school and being nervous about a change or opposing long bus rides.
Given that you prioritize education, walkability and short commutes, how would you like a 45 min bus ride for your child for the greater good? Would you want to know at the very least that the benefit would be worth it?

The PP was responding to a post implying that only people on the west side of the county care about their kids' education. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Of course there are parents throughout the entire county who value education. It is idiotic to think otherwise

Therefore you disagree with the person who suggested "the people who prioritize schools" only live in one part of the county. But you took offense to somebody literally describing the factors they prioritized when purchasing their DCC house. This is getting tiresome.

It is tiresome.

The trope that emerges from West county re valuing education

And

The trope that emerges from East county re racism, hoarding

You never seem to be bothered when an entire group of people is told they are racist and hoarding when in fact they have similar sentiments to others about commute time.

So you don't think it is okay to call out racist people who literally say that based on where they live, they prioritize education, and based on where other people live, they do not prioritize education?

Do you think it is okay to oppose boundary changes solely because of impacts on property values? Because that is resource hoarding, pure and simple. If you are literally just against long bus rides, those comments don't refer to you. For some reason though, you are against calling a spade a spade.

Well they aren’t hoarding resources because they ARE the resources. The schools in the West are high performing because highly educated people moved there and raised the scores. The property values rose because the highly educated people’s kids brought up the scores. So now bussing those kids away in large enough numbers while bussing in lower performing kids will lower the scores and the property values. I can see why people are pissed as they are being used, the value that they helped create is taken away while their kid is bussed away to juice up somebody else’s property values.

oh. you literally think PEOPLE on the east side of the county have less value than you do. wow.

Prove them wrong by raising school scores and property values on the east side instead of rooting for pain and destruction for the west side.

omg you are hilarious

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the BOE uses the phrase “transfer of wealth” in reference to what they’d like to achieve in the boundary studies then they are going to have a bad time come elections.

They would never. MoCo is the most neo-liberal liberal place on earth. Those board of ed members don't believe in wealth transfers, they simply just want to say they allowed more marginalized people to become winners in a system that always has to have losers (capitalism). They are not radical enough to actually want a brand new and more fair system as a whole.

But the "losers" have been determined by race. Look at the racial wealth gap. Free markets are based on who is most productive. By limiting opportunity based on race (because the racial wealth gap is the result of centuries of oppression that directly impact who lives where), we undermine the free market.

And you want the BOE to fix that through boundary changes, correct?

Honestly, I do not think that they can. Option 3 barely makes a dent in segregation. I wish they could though and I support reasonable efforts to address this issue. I don't really think some of these longer bus rides are worth the squeeze but I think they really should try to make WJ and Woodward similar in terms of their FARMS rates. I think "fixing" the racial wealth gap will take a multi-pronged approach and anyone says "just fix housing segregation" doesn't actually care to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:It sucks a little bit, but if I lived in Woodward I would just sell now and move down the street to WJ.

Prices might not go down in Woodward but I think appreciation there will lag WJ by a lot going forward.

Woodward will probably have a highly valued regional program that draws from throughout the regional cachement in the newly configured MCPS regions. Do you think the school district would build a $220 million high school on the west side and not ensure that it is academically successful?

The mantra will change from "Bethesda has the best schools!" to "you need to be cautious about where in Bethesda you're buying a house" and "you have to target specific districts in Bethesda," the same as it has been for Rockville, Gaithersburg, and Silver Spring. Looking at Woodward, "North Bethesda" might as well rename itself back to "Rockville" at this point, because nobody is going to be fooled anymore.

Old Bethesda elitism on display. North Bethesda is and will continue to be a fine area.

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Anonymous wrote:All I see here is people who used to say “the Whitman district” or “the BCC district” realizing that they are in fact all in the “MCPS district.” This is one organization that must think about one county’s needs as a whole.

Good schools are good schools because of the people that buy homes in the school. If you put all of Kennedy at Whitman and all of Whitman at Kennedy then Kennedy would be the highest performing school.

Making our best schools worse than they are doesn't do anything good for the county. All it does is drive away the people that prioritize schools.

We chose our DCC school very intentionally. It was what we could afford without overextending ourselves. We love the school our child attends.

+1 except we could have bought in Bethesda but preferred the DCC. Meanwhile we absolutely prioritize education. We just also prioritize diversity, walkability, short commutes.

I feel the same way about WJ. But if I type the exact same words but say WJ instead of DCC, it is hoarding, segregation
etc etc
There is nothing wrong with loving your child’s school and being nervous about a change or opposing long bus rides.
Given that you prioritize education, walkability and short commutes, how would you like a 45 min bus ride for your child for the greater good? Would you want to know at the very least that the benefit would be worth it?

The PP was responding to a post implying that only people on the west side of the county care about their kids' education. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Of course there are parents throughout the entire county who value education. It is idiotic to think otherwise

Therefore you disagree with the person who suggested "the people who prioritize schools" only live in one part of the county. But you took offense to somebody literally describing the factors they prioritized when purchasing their DCC house. This is getting tiresome.

It is tiresome.

The trope that emerges from West county re valuing education

And

The trope that emerges from East county re racism, hoarding

You never seem to be bothered when an entire group of people is told they are racist and hoarding when in fact they have similar sentiments to others about commute time.

So you don't think it is okay to call out racist people who literally say that based on where they live, they prioritize education, and based on where other people live, they do not prioritize education?

Do you think it is okay to oppose boundary changes solely because of impacts on property values? Because that is resource hoarding, pure and simple. If you are literally just against long bus rides, those comments don't refer to you. For some reason though, you are against calling a spade a spade.

Well they aren’t hoarding resources because they ARE the resources. The schools in the West are high performing because highly educated people moved there and raised the scores. The property values rose because the highly educated people’s kids brought up the scores. So now bussing those kids away in large enough numbers while bussing in lower performing kids will lower the scores and the property values. I can see why people are pissed as they are being used, the value that they helped create is taken away while their kid is bussed away to juice up somebody else’s property values.

No, our kids don’t have the same resources. They don’t have the same classes or clubs for our smart kids. That’s not fully why property values rose. Be real.

You do have the same resources. You just fail to take advantage of it. Going to a different school is not going to fix that for you.

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Anonymous wrote:All I see here is people who used to say “the Whitman district” or “the BCC district” realizing that they are in fact all in the “MCPS district.” This is one organization that must think about one county’s needs as a whole.

Good schools are good schools because of the people that buy homes in the school. If you put all of Kennedy at Whitman and all of Whitman at Kennedy then Kennedy would be the highest performing school.

Making our best schools worse than they are doesn't do anything good for the county. All it does is drive away the people that prioritize schools.

We chose our DCC school very intentionally. It was what we could afford without overextending ourselves. We love the school our child attends.

+1 except we could have bought in Bethesda but preferred the DCC. Meanwhile we absolutely prioritize education. We just also prioritize diversity, walkability, short commutes.

I feel the same way about WJ. But if I type the exact same words but say WJ instead of DCC, it is hoarding, segregation
etc etc
There is nothing wrong with loving your child’s school and being nervous about a change or opposing long bus rides.
Given that you prioritize education, walkability and short commutes, how would you like a 45 min bus ride for your child for the greater good? Would you want to know at the very least that the benefit would be worth it?

The PP was responding to a post implying that only people on the west side of the county care about their kids' education. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Of course there are parents throughout the entire county who value education. It is idiotic to think otherwise

Therefore you disagree with the person who suggested "the people who prioritize schools" only live in one part of the county. But you took offense to somebody literally describing the factors they prioritized when purchasing their DCC house. This is getting tiresome.

It is tiresome.

The trope that emerges from West county re valuing education

And

The trope that emerges from East county re racism, hoarding

You never seem to be bothered when an entire group of people is told they are racist and hoarding when in fact they have similar sentiments to others about commute time.

So you don't think it is okay to call out racist people who literally say that based on where they live, they prioritize education, and based on where other people live, they do not prioritize education?

Do you think it is okay to oppose boundary changes solely because of impacts on property values? Because that is resource hoarding, pure and simple. If you are literally just against long bus rides, those comments don't refer to you. For some reason though, you are against calling a spade a spade.

Well they aren’t hoarding resources because they ARE the resources. The schools in the West are high performing because highly educated people moved there and raised the scores. The property values rose because the highly educated people’s kids brought up the scores. So now bussing those kids away in large enough numbers while bussing in lower performing kids will lower the scores and the property values. I can see why people are pissed as they are being used, the value that they helped create is taken away while their kid is bussed away to juice up somebody else’s property values.

oh. you literally think PEOPLE on the east side of the county have less value than you do. wow.

Prove them wrong by raising school scores and property values on the east side instead of rooting for pain and destruction for the west side.

Oh honey, we are equally impacted. This is what the wj community wanted. Rejoice.

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Anonymous wrote:All I see here is people who used to say “the Whitman district” or “the BCC district” realizing that they are in fact all in the “MCPS district.” This is one organization that must think about one county’s needs as a whole.

Good schools are good schools because of the people that buy homes in the school. If you put all of Kennedy at Whitman and all of Whitman at Kennedy then Kennedy would be the highest performing school.

Making our best schools worse than they are doesn't do anything good for the county. All it does is drive away the people that prioritize schools.

We chose our DCC school very intentionally. It was what we could afford without overextending ourselves. We love the school our child attends.

+1 except we could have bought in Bethesda but preferred the DCC. Meanwhile we absolutely prioritize education. We just also prioritize diversity, walkability, short commutes.

I feel the same way about WJ. But if I type the exact same words but say WJ instead of DCC, it is hoarding, segregation
etc etc
There is nothing wrong with loving your child’s school and being nervous about a change or opposing long bus rides.
Given that you prioritize education, walkability and short commutes, how would you like a 45 min bus ride for your child for the greater good? Would you want to know at the very least that the benefit would be worth it?

The PP was responding to a post implying that only people on the west side of the county care about their kids' education. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Of course there are parents throughout the entire county who value education. It is idiotic to think otherwise

Therefore you disagree with the person who suggested "the people who prioritize schools" only live in one part of the county. But you took offense to somebody literally describing the factors they prioritized when purchasing their DCC house. This is getting tiresome.

It is tiresome.

The trope that emerges from West county re valuing education

And

The trope that emerges from East county re racism, hoarding

You never seem to be bothered when an entire group of people is told they are racist and hoarding when in fact they have similar sentiments to others about commute time.

So you don't think it is okay to call out racist people who literally say that based on where they live, they prioritize education, and based on where other people live, they do not prioritize education?

Do you think it is okay to oppose boundary changes solely because of impacts on property values? Because that is resource hoarding, pure and simple. If you are literally just against long bus rides, those comments don't refer to you. For some reason though, you are against calling a spade a spade.

Well they aren’t hoarding resources because they ARE the resources. The schools in the West are high performing because highly educated people moved there and raised the scores. The property values rose because the highly educated people’s kids brought up the scores. So now bussing those kids away in large enough numbers while bussing in lower performing kids will lower the scores and the property values. I can see why people are pissed as they are being used, the value that they helped create is taken away while their kid is bussed away to juice up somebody else’s property values.

No, our kids don’t have the same resources. They don’t have the same classes or clubs for our smart kids. That’s not fully why property values rose. Be real.

You do have the same resources. You just fail to take advantage of it. Going to a different school is not going to fix that for you.

No, we don’t have the same stem classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Property values are something that any BOE member should care about.

Or at least the county council.

No. If some people's property values go down, others will go up. It's all the same to the Council. Sorry the government won't prop up your wealth.

This person is dumb. Thinks there's a finite amount of a pie. Go study economics

Agree.

GMAFB, none of you can actually describe any academic literature suggesting that this boundary study will reduce tax revenues.

The boundary study? Or actually changing boundaries? Be specific. Would historical studies from other places where poorer kids were bused into richer schools suffice? The concept laid out in option 3 of busing richer kids to poorer neighborhoods involuntarily does not seem to have been performed at a region-wide level (at least in the u.s in a city) so it would be challenging to find a historical study showing that.

But also you’ve made a claim with no support; why don’t you show us some academic studies?

Got it. You (or another PP) who suggested I "go study economics" can cite zero literature supporting their claims. lol

I can show you many many studies about how school zones impact property values. This is a no-brainer it is so well-known. But I asked you to be precise about your question (which you won’t) and also to provide support for your claims (which you won’t).

Just admit that the school rezoning might decrease Mocos property tax base, leading to less money for kids and schools.

NP. The question here isn't whether an individual neighborhood's property values would go down due to a school zone shift. The question is whether the overall tax base in MoCo would go down, and that's not entirely clear. That assumes that any increase in FARMS rate (or black and brown kids) leads to a reduction in property values, and we don't actually know that, particularly because other parts of the county would also be getting more balanced by decreasing their FARMS rates.

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Anonymous wrote:Property values are something that any BOE member should care about.

Or at least the county council.

No. If some people's property values go down, others will go up. It's all the same to the Council. Sorry the government won't prop up your wealth.

This person is dumb. Thinks there's a finite amount of a pie. Go study economics

Agree.

GMAFB, none of you can actually describe any academic literature suggesting that this boundary study will reduce tax revenues.

The boundary study? Or actually changing boundaries? Be specific. Would historical studies from other places where poorer kids were bused into richer schools suffice? The concept laid out in option 3 of busing richer kids to poorer neighborhoods involuntarily does not seem to have been performed at a region-wide level (at least in the u.s in a city) so it would be challenging to find a historical study showing that.

But also you’ve made a claim with no support; why don’t you show us some academic studies?

Got it. You (or another PP) who suggested I "go study economics" can cite zero literature supporting their claims. lol

I can show you many many studies about how school zones impact property values. This is a no-brainer it is so well-known. But I asked you to be precise about your question (which you won’t) and also to provide support for your claims (which you won’t).

Just admit that the school rezoning might decrease Mocos property tax base, leading to less money for kids and schools.

NP. The question here isn't whether an individual neighborhood's property values would go down due to a school zone shift. The question is whether the overall tax base in MoCo would go down, and that's not entirely clear. That assumes that any increase in FARMS rate (or black and brown kids) leads to a reduction in property values, and we don't actually know that, particularly because other parts of the county would also be getting more balanced by decreasing their FARMS rates.

I think the real question is how come PP hasn't shown us any studies? Were they lying?

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literally any peer reviewed paper or published book explaining the theory of why boundary changes such as the one proposed in Option 3 will automatically reduce property tax revenues will do. Or any empirical study showing this as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will Woodward offer Spanish Immersion with their arts magnet? At least our kids will learn Spanish when they learn skills to line up outside home depot with their peers

No girl, the Spanish immersion programs are in ES and MS and you have to be a good parent and plan so your kid can participate in one of them. Sounds like you don't care about your kid's education.

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Anonymous wrote:They should redistrict Whitman students to Woodward instead of WJ to help balance FARMS between WJ and Woodward.

+1.