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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I disagree. They were trying things and responding professionally.

NOT saying it was not tense, but the amateurs in particular may not have been aware of how close they were to disaster. [/quote]

If this is real, there were “multiple attempts” to drop the “rack”, which I assume are the pipes on racks on the sides that can be dropped by the occupants moving to one side of the sub to tilt it. They would have know that that the sub needed to ascend quickly if they were asked to drop the ballast. And that multiple attempts was not a good sign.
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The tilting of the sub is not the "standard" way to drop the weights from the sub, that's just what the passengers had to do on a previous dive when the release mechanism failed.  Maybe they had to do it again this time, but we don't know for sure.[/quote]

You are right for every other sub, but for this one. That was the standard way if the electronics failed. And since the thrusters to go up weren’t working properly, and there were multiple attempts to go up because hull failure alarms were going off, the crew were definitely in a hurry to get the ballast off. [/quote]

It happened on the other dive, but it was designed to be used that exactly that way if the controls failed.

“The pipes, or "triple weights," as 2022 mission director Kyle Bingham told Pogue they were called, are hydraulically driven and can be operated from inside the vessel.

No electricity is required to operate them. When they drop away, the sub gains buoyancy.

If those don't work, the roll weights can be shifted off the sides of the sub manually.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/seven-ways-missing-titanic-crew-30282594

Here is a description of the sub by Stockton rush - he goes into detail about the sound of the carbon fiber composite hull

“It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team.

And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum.

And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.

We have eight acoustic sensors in there, and they're listening for this. So when we get to 1,000 meters, if all of a sudden we hear this thing crackling, it's, like, "Wait, did somebody run a forklift into it? You know, has it had cyclic fatigue? Is there something wrong?"

And you get a huge amount of warning. We've destroyed several structures [in testing], and you get a lotta warning. I mean, 1,500 meters of warning.

It'll start, you'll go, "Oh, this isn't happy." (LAUGH) And then you'll keep doin' it, and then it explodes or implodes.“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submersible-interview-transcript-with-oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush/

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This interview didn't age well. It very eery.

"RUSH:   Yes. Once you've been sealed inside this, we have four days of life support. That is the safest place on planet Earth. The entire world could be destroyed. A nuclear bomb could take out the ship. And we for four days, we're alive. End of four days, we're dead. (LAUGH)" [/quote]

He sounded like a lunatic with a God complex and a death wish.

Goodness.[/quote]

Yep. And those who worked with him must have known. [/quote]

Kind of like the crazy guy Magellan who kept going in his boat while others cautioned that the world was flat?[/quote]

Nothing whatsoever like Magellan, but then, you already knew that.[/quote]

Huh? Yes, very much so.[/quote]

What, they were both male?
The submersible had known fatal engineering flaws that Rush ignored. Was Magellan sailing a ship known to be dangerous due to engineering flaws?[/quote]

No, but forging ahead (either bravely or foolishly--you can decide) when told about the dangers of the trips. Continuing to forge ahead on the ocean when warned the earth was flat, and they'd fall off is pretty gutsy.[/quote]

It’s not the same.

Rush ignored and dismissed science. He also lied about the evidence that showed the vessel he designed was dangerous. Experts told him there would be a major accident based on testing.

In Magellan’s day, there was no science. It was just a belief.  It’s not as though there was evidence of people falling off the edge and he ignored those stories. It was unknown. [/quote]

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