When does AAP start? General AAP questions

[Anonymous]

New to VA here (military family). Starting FCPS kindergarten in 3 months.

From what I have read, AAP is the same as 'Gifted and Talented"? Is that true?

In what grade is a student first tested/identified as AAP material?

[Anonymous]

Welcome! You are correct AAP is the same as 'gifted and talented'. It's a little more complex than a yes or no. You should read about it on the FCPS website - lots of good info about the program. Kids in the system are given the Naglieri test in 1st grade and the Cogat in 2nd grade. These scores along with teacher "ratings" (known as the GSRB on the board) are used in determening whether a student is in the pool of candidates for AAP. Not all kids in the pool are offered a spot in AAP and kids not in the pool can have their parents submit extra information for consideration (usually private WISC testing). It's a rediculously complicated system that gets most FCPS parents in a tizzy.

[Anonymous]

Sort of, OP. AAP is the closest equivalent to a G&T program, but in name only. The selection criteria is too loose to identify gifted children. At best, it identifies strong academic achievers and places them in an accelerated setting. Truly gifted children are not well served by AAP, but it is all FCPS can offer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sort of, OP. AAP is the closest equivalent to a G&T program, but in name only. The selection criteria is too loose to identify gifted children. At best, it identifies strong academic achievers and places them in an accelerated setting. Truly gifted children are not well served by AAP, but it is all FCPS can offer.

Not true. if it identifies strong academic achievers, they would go by report card.

Kids take sort of IQ test. They try to identify kids with well above average IQ, around top 15%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sort of, OP. AAP is the closest equivalent to a G&T program, but in name only. The selection criteria is too loose to identify gifted children. At best, it identifies strong academic achievers and places them in an accelerated setting. Truly gifted children are not well served by AAP, but it is all FCPS can offer.

Not true. if it identifies strong academic achievers, they would go by report card.

Kids take sort of IQ test. They try to identify kids with well above average IQ, around top 15%.

Is the CogAt an IQ test? I heard it wasn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sort of, OP. AAP is the closest equivalent to a G&T program, but in name only. The selection criteria is too loose to identify gifted children. At best, it identifies strong academic achievers and places them in an accelerated setting. Truly gifted children are not well served by AAP, but it is all FCPS can offer.

Not true. if it identifies strong academic achievers, they would go by report card.

Kids take sort of IQ test. They try to identify kids with well above average IQ, around top 15%.

Is the CogAt an IQ test? I heard it wasn't.

Well it is certainly not an academic achievement. Academic achievement = report card.
If county has money/resource, they would trust and use WISC.

'Truly gifted' probably means 'profoundly gifted' kids in general with IQ of higher than mid 140.
Nope FCPS doesn't have program for that.

[Anonymous]

CogAT and NNAT are ability tests...not achievement tests. And for those of you who think that FCPS AAP standards are looser than other gifted programs, you should know that most school systems let everyone into GT who tests above somewhere between 90 and 95% while kids in FCPS aren't even automatically screened unless they score at 98 or above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CogAT and NNAT are ability tests...not achievement tests. And for those of you who think that FCPS AAP standards are looser than other gifted programs, you should know that most school systems let everyone into GT who tests above somewhere between 90 and 95% while kids in FCPS aren't even automatically screened unless they score at 98 or above.

so what? Most the threads on here are about appeals, and numerous posts indicate acceptances for people who got 115 or even lower on the CogAt.

[Anonymous]

One of the differences is the average student in FCPS is smarter than the Nationwide average. You can see that with SAT test results. The average student in FCPS is about 1 standard deviation above the nationwide. So, we end up with 18% for students in AAP. Or, about 18% of the students have an IQ above 125 in FCPS. Nationally, only 5% of the of the kids are above 125

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CogAT and NNAT are ability tests...not achievement tests. And for those of you who think that FCPS AAP standards are looser than other gifted programs, you should know that most school systems let everyone into GT who tests above somewhere between 90 and 95% while kids in FCPS aren't even automatically screened unless they score at 98 or above.

so what? Most the threads on here are about appeals, and numerous posts indicate acceptances for people who got 115 or even lower on the CogAt.

Most appeals are due to low GBRS.
My kid got 99% 99.9% on NNAT CogAt.
Denied first due to low GBRS.
Then mid 140 on WISC and got in on Appeal.

[Anonymous]

Not OP, but new to the area as well. I will have a rising 2nd grader, so obviously she will have missed the 1st grade test. Will they make her take that test at some other time or will they just base it on the CogAt and the GBRS?

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not OP, but new to the area as well. I will have a rising 2nd grader, so obviously she will have missed the 1st grade test. Will they make her take that test at some other time or will they just base it on the CogAt and the GBRS?

Thanks.

She will take the NNAT2 at some other time. Check the Office of Student Testing's calendar early next school year to find the specific date range.

http://www.fcps.edu/pla/ost/

You may also want to check with the AART at your school for specifics.