http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-s-asian-american-discrimination-probe

[Anonymous]

"If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-s-asian-american-discrimination-probe.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-s-asian-american-discrimination-probe.html

That's because they don't just go by test scores when making admissions decisions. As it should be,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

That's because they don't just go by test scores when making admissions decisions. As it should be,

Total BS. Try that on other minority group students, even from well off social class! They used to do that to the Jews too.

[Anonymous]

This is old news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-s-asian-american-discrimination-probe.html

That's because they don't just go by test scores when making admissions decisions. As it should be,

PP, how did you do on reading comprehension tests? I'm asking b/c you failed to note the words "If all other credentials are equal . . . ."Yes, factors other than test scores are taken into account, but AA candidates are still held to a higher standard. It is appalling that blatant discrimination against any group is tolerated in this way. I'm not Asian-American, but I have seen my kids' friends who are AA suffer the consequences of discrimination in college admissions. And, no, you can't dismiss this by saying they were just stereotypical AA STEM nerds. I'm talking about varsity athletes, newspaper editors, kids who've done extensive community service, etc. If you ask white kids in college whether they believe discrimination against AA kids exists, they'll tell you that if you don't think so, you're full of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-s-asian-american-discrimination-probe.html

That's because they don't just go by test scores when making admissions decisions. As it should be,

Yes, but the quoted text includes that if all other credentials are equal. Many of the Asians denied admittance have the same amount or more athletic, club, leadership and community participation as other candidates and still are passed over for candidates of other races with lower test scores and/or grades. There is a reason that the admission case has been appealed up to the Supreme Court level. We'll have to see how the high court rules, but it should be interesting.

I'm on a mailing list for an Asian American PAC and this is an exerpt from a similar case to some of the included cases in the upcoming Supreme Court ruling:

EXCERPTS : From this father's letter to Stewart Kwoh (Stewart's APALC supports a "race-conscious" policy in a pending Supreme Court case regarding college admission policy.

Martin's Experience in Applying to Colleges
"Martin had a 4.35* weighted GPA, 33 ACT score, he took four subject SAT, & more than 10 AP tests during his high school years. Martin ranked 7th out of 455 high school graduates according to his junior year weighted school transcript. He was a high school varsity tennis team member for four years and captain and number one single for the last two years. He was also a city teen council member for 4 years, vice president & then the president for the last two years. The city teen council organizes teens to do various volunteer work & make our city a better place to live. Martin worked for the city Parks & Recreational Division as a volunteer tennis coach during semesters for 4 years, & he worked as a summer tennis camp counselor for pay in his Junior & Senior years.

But in the 2012 college admission season, Martin was rejected by Harvard, UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, and Duke University. On the other hand, Martin was accepted by UC Berkeley with a Regents & Chancellors Scholarship, the highest award for undergraduates with only 800 total slots (200 for freshmen) for all students at Berkeley. Martin was also accepted by UCLA, UCSD, UC Davis and UC Irvine with combined merit/need based scholarships. "

What's the Difference between
UC System & those Private Colleges?
This father continues, "What is the difference between the UC systems and selective colleges on the East Coast? Different admission policies! UC adopted a more race-neutral admission policy after Prop. 209 and Bakke v. UC Davis Supreme Court case, while highly selective colleges outside California had a more race-conscious admission policy. Some Asian Ams (especially those officials & civic leaders who support the Dem. Party - added by S. B. Woo) thought that there might be too many Asian American students in highly selective colleges based on our population percentage in the U.S. and we should share some opportunities with other under-represented minori 5aca ties, even at a cost to our own kids. We found out on the Web site at http://www.hillel.org/index that both UPenn and Georgetown had a higher percentage of Jewish Americans than Asian Americans. The Jewish population is only about half of Asian Americans in the United States from the Census data. … >"

*4.0 is the highest GPA. But weighted GPA which counts hard courses more may get above 4.0. The subtitles above were added by S. B. Woo. Otherwise, everything between quotes are from this father, unless otherwise specified.

[Anonymous]

Girls have to have higher SAT scores too - generally speaking. Exception is highly technical schools seeking to attract female applicants.

[Anonymous]

Sad. Harvard wants to keep it a white school. And those who support this policy are scared to compete on a level playing field. Yet these are the same people who cry foul with affirmative action, namely that it should be a level playing field. Racist.

[Anonymous]

Not surprising. Even though due process is a Constitutional guarantee and slavery was abolished, the US indiscriminately interned Asian Americans. They need to be more vocal about their rights like AAs. Get all crazy about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Girls have to have higher SAT scores too - generally speaking. Exception is highly technical schools seeking to attract female applicants.

This is a good point. I'm the mother of a girl who will soon be applying and I know that it is much more difficult for girls to get into these schools than boys with the same credentials because there are far more girls applying. At the same time, I don't want my daughter to go to a school that is heavily skewed toward girls because when guys are in the minority they can get really full of themselves, treat women badly and get away with it because they are so coveted.

Its not an exact analogy but it does show why these are complex decisions. If these schools really were so white it would be different but they aren't.

I would add that there are plenty, plenty plenty of kids of all races, including white kids, who are great students, leaders, athletes, the whole package and get shut out of the top schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Girls have to have higher SAT scores too - generally speaking. Exception is highly technical schools seeking to attract female applicants.

Only non-Asian female applicants.

[Anonymous]

Its a private school for the ruling class
The rest can go elsewhere

[Anonymous]

no way plaintiffs can win this. Harvard can shape its undergraduate class anyway it wants. One year they may be looking for Russian speaking bagpipe players. Nothing anywhere says they have to go by grades, SAT's and extra-curricular activities. They also have every right to deny "packaged" applicants and that is what I suspect the plaintiff was.

[Anonymous]

Reading the article I see "A Chinese-American student, Jian Li, filed a complaint against Princeton with the Education Department in 2006, alleging discrimination on the basis of race or national origin. Li, who scored the maximum 2400 on the SAT and 2390 -- 10 points below the ceiling -- on subject tests in physics, chemistry and calculus, was denied admission by Princeton, Harvard, Stanford University, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "

So I guess Li must be contending that all these schools are in cahoots since he/she was turned down by all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading the article I see "A Chinese-American student, Jian Li, filed a complaint against Princeton with the Education Department in 2006, alleging discrimination on the basis of race or national origin. Li, who scored the maximum 2400 on the SAT and 2390 -- 10 points below the ceiling -- on subject tests in physics, chemistry and calculus, was denied admission by Princeton, Harvard, Stanford University, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "

So I guess Li must be contending that all these schools are in cahoots since he/she was turned down by all of them.

No, but the contention is that all of the Ivy's use a race-based discriminatory admission system. The accusation is that after Affirmative Action policies were established that they set quotas which meant that certain races get admitted with much lower criteria than other races. And as such, quota based systems discriminate. The case is trying to establish that colleges and universities need to return to a merit-based admission system.