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Anonymous
It varies by subject with IR tending to be very competitive. A breakdown for US applicants for 2020 - 2022 can be found here by looking at Appendix A - https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/unconditional_vs_conditional_off#incoming-2168894 |
Anonymous
Larlo and Larla will get in. Dick and Jane? Not so much. They want all the reasonably well prepared, reasonably bright, full pay Americans they can get. |
Anonymous
What kind of SAT scores & grades do you need? Do they accept American public school applicants? |
Anonymous
So, a finishing school? |
Anonymous
Yes, they accept American Pubic school students and you can apply via the common pp. Yes, they like every US state flagship take a certain percentage of out of state (in this case country) applicants to lower cost for instate (in country) students. Minimum requirements below in UK English. Meeting minimum requirements does not guarantee admission. They also offer conditional and unconditional acceptance. If conditionally accepted you should have a backup school. We look for grades of A or B in honours level courses on your high school record, or three AP subjects with scores of 4+ within the context of the rigour offered at your high school. Competitive applicants will have taken: a rigorous curriculum at high school, which should include a college preparatory curriculum grades of A or B in honours level courses on your high school record (or equivalent), or Advanced Placement (AP) classes (or equivalent), or HL/SL within the context of your high school diploma. Many of our courses require you to have a particular background in the subject(s). This is known as ‘pre-requisite’ knowledge. Pre-requisite qualifications, if required, will be listed on our subject pages. Examples of pre-requisite knowledge requirements are: Evidence of top grades across honours classes taken in the required subject, including the most challenging options in the school curriculum. For example, “Honors English IV – Literature” (or equivalent) for entry to study English AP scores of 5 on subject tests. For example, “AP Calculus BC” (or equivalent) for entry to study Mathematics, Physics or Computer Science programmes HL 6 in IB certificates. For example, “HL 6 in History” for entry to study Modern History SAT and ACT test optional for the application cycle 2022-2023 (September 2023 entry) We will not penalize students for the absence of a standardized test scores. Most applicants are likely to have taken at least one type of standardized test (AP, SAT, or ACT), but we will consider applicants without testing. You should clearly state in your Personal Statement on your application why you were unable to take either the SAT or ACT. If you do submit scores, we look for the following: ACT: score of 28+ (writing optional). Applicants are welcome to submit all of their ACT test scores. We will consider the highest scores submitted for each section across multiple testing dates. SAT: score of 1320+ (essay optional). We will assess the SAT total score out of 1600 and will focus on individual sub-scores in a holistic manner and within the context of the overall application. We will superscore both the ACT the SAT. AP, IB, and SAT Subject Test scores will be used for admissions purposes only and no credits for advanced entry or exemptions will be awarded. Unofficial scores are acceptable when you apply to us, or if you receive a request for missing information after you applied. If you decide to send official scores, these can be sent directly from the ACT or the College Board: College Board test code number: 7775 ACT test code number: 5316 International Baccalaureate (IB): For full IB Diploma students - 36 (HL 6,5,5) to 38 (HL 6,6,6 and SL 6,6,6), with the majority of offers for subjects in the Faculty of Arts and Medicine being at the upper end of this range or higher. Some subjects also require specific HL or SL courses and grades. We also recognise that some high schools offer individual DP courses, as part of an accredited high school diploma. We will be interested in understanding why students have chosen not to pursue the full IB diploma, however we do recognise the strength of HL courses and will consider IB students who have taken three HL courses within the context of an accredited high school diploma. Students with a combination of IB HL courses, AP subjects and advanced-level courses will also be considered. |
Anonymous
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Nearly every American school also likes full pay Americans.
I think St Andrews was easier to get into 5 years ago. Like nearly every American school. The global rankings vary, but it's either in with Rice and BU or Notre Dame. I wouldn't put any of those in a "finishing school" category, unless you're just weirdly bitter person. I have no kids attending or interested in St Andrews, but .. cmon. https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2023 https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking#!/length/100/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats |
Anonymous
| It is not a finishing school, but there are degrees which are more or less difficult. Geography is often considered easier, at most UK universities. By contrast, science degrees (not including social sciences) are often considered more difficult. One needs to apply to a specific department/school for any UK universities, and that choice likely will impact the acceptance rate. |
Anonymous
| Prince William went there - so your kid could meet their own Kate? |
Anonymous
From wealth zip codes, absolutely. |
Anonymous
Not exactly. I would say Trinity (CT) is a good academic and social comp (although obviously urban rather than rural and much smaller). |
Anonymous
When you go on & on about them wanting full pay applicants so badly, it’s a reasonably conclusion to draw. |
Anonymous
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Every school wants full pay applicants. UK universities are capped at 9,250 pounds for tuition and Scottish student tuition is 1,820 pounds, so yes non-UK student tuition helps St Andrews out in the same way OOS tuition helps UVA or W&M.
Overseas tuition is 28,190 pounds for the 2023-2024 or about $35K. |
Anonymous
I know many UK academIcs. At the pub, they all say their uni would be insolvent without foreign student fees. Those unis lose money on every domestic undergrad student. Post quoted just above is quite correct about the maths. |
Anonymous
Limited funding from the Commonwealth is a big part of why UVA, W&M, et alia have been (roughly) 1/3 OOS for several decades now. Things aren’t fundamentally different in other places. Those overseas/OOS undergrads are important to many many public universities, just as full-pay students are important to many many private universities… |
Anonymous
Taking in full freight foreign students is how St Andrews pulled itself out of bankruptcy after WWII |