Hypocrisy about diverse schools

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well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.

DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.

Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.

Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion

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cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.

and to the grammar nazi go f yourself

DP here. I'm Asian and wanted black kids and Hispanic kids in my children's school regardless of socioeconomic background. I feel like my kids ability to get along with people from all walks of life is critical to their future. It's unbelievable that in this area I still come across people, people who attended higly rated schools or private schools, who literally get uncomfortable interacting with a group of black people.

+1 I'm also an Asian American parent, and we too wanted our children to see successful and smart black and hispanic people and not grow up with a stereotype of certain racial groups.

If you look at some of the non W school clusters like Northwest and RM (non IB, look at JWMS), you'd see that there are a fair amount of Asian Americans in those cluster. And believe it or not, some of us can actually afford to live in a W cluster but choose not to for one reason or another.

Please highlight these schools with lots of blacks and Hispanics in top classes. If anything in most diverse schools it's mostly just whites Asians and Africans with mostly Hispanics and African Americans in lower classes which just furthers stereotypes.

The private schools. Educated, successful blacks and Latinos send their kids there so that teacher grading biases or underperformance generalizations are minimized.

And yes, going to a wheaton magnet program where the overall school has 30-40% proficiency rates for Hispanics and AA does three things: Makes it socially awkward for intelligent, hardworking AAs in particulate; reinforces racial intelligence and work ethic stereotypes, ; and delays the meeting for intelligent hard working AA or Central Americans/Mexicans until college (at which point one would assume that affirmative action crutch is lifting one up.

Frankly makes the case for differentiation across the board. Mcps should not be losing so many intelligent AAs to private schools.

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Yep. We are AA and considering private for our kids.

I want to add that I find some of the comments from white people and immigrants (including African immigrants) towards AA to be pretty disgusting, both here on this forum and in real life.

Many of you need to revisit the history of the United States and in particular, the continued suppression of AA from slavery, to segregation to discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.

DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.

Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.

Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion

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cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.

and to the grammar nazi go f yourself

DP here. I'm Asian and wanted black kids and Hispanic kids in my children's school regardless of socioeconomic background. I feel like my kids ability to get along with people from all walks of life is critical to their future. It's unbelievable that in this area I still come across people, people who attended higly rated schools or private schools, who literally get uncomfortable interacting with a group of black people.

+1 I'm also an Asian American parent, and we too wanted our children to see successful and smart black and hispanic people and not grow up with a stereotype of certain racial groups.

If you look at some of the non W school clusters like Northwest and RM (non IB, look at JWMS), you'd see that there are a fair amount of Asian Americans in those cluster. And believe it or not, some of us can actually afford to live in a W cluster but choose not to for one reason or another.

Please highlight these schools with lots of blacks and Hispanics in top classes. If anything in most diverse schools it's mostly just whites Asians and Africans with mostly Hispanics and African Americans in lower classes which just furthers stereotypes.

The private schools. Educated, successful blacks and Latinos send their kids there so that teacher grading biases or underperformance generalizations are minimized.

And yes, going to a wheaton magnet program where the overall school has 30-40% proficiency rates for Hispanics and AA does three things: Makes it socially awkward for intelligent, hardworking AAs in particulate; reinforces racial intelligence and work ethic stereotypes, ; and delays the meeting for intelligent hard working AA or Central Americans/Mexicans until college (at which point one would assume that affirmative action crutch is lifting one up.

Frankly makes the case for differentiation across the board. Mcps should not be losing so many intelligent AAs to private schools.

+1

Yep. We are AA and considering private for our kids.

I want to add that I find some of the comments from white people and immigrants (including African immigrants) towards AA to be pretty disgusting, both here on this forum and in real life.

Many of you need to revisit the history of the United States and in particular, the continued suppression of AA from slavery, to segregation to discrimination.

In 2019 I think that's a very stretch argument. As a successful aa yourself you know it's possible to be successful. The issues continuing to plague aa are self inflicted including rampant consumerism fear of acting white and not valuing the importance of education

[Anonymous]

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well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.

DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.

Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.

Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion

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cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.

and to the grammar nazi go f yourself

DP here. I'm Asian and wanted black kids and Hispanic kids in my children's school regardless of socioeconomic background. I feel like my kids ability to get along with people from all walks of life is critical to their future. It's unbelievable that in this area I still come across people, people who attended higly rated schools or private schools, who literally get uncomfortable interacting with a group of black people.

+1 I'm also an Asian American parent, and we too wanted our children to see successful and smart black and hispanic people and not grow up with a stereotype of certain racial groups.

If you look at some of the non W school clusters like Northwest and RM (non IB, look at JWMS), you'd see that there are a fair amount of Asian Americans in those cluster. And believe it or not, some of us can actually afford to live in a W cluster but choose not to for one reason or another.

Please highlight these schools with lots of blacks and Hispanics in top classes. If anything in most diverse schools it's mostly just whites Asians and Africans with mostly Hispanics and African Americans in lower classes which just furthers stereotypes.

The private schools. Educated, successful blacks and Latinos send their kids there so that teacher grading biases or underperformance generalizations are minimized.

And yes, going to a wheaton magnet program where the overall school has 30-40% proficiency rates for Hispanics and AA does three things: Makes it socially awkward for intelligent, hardworking AAs in particulate; reinforces racial intelligence and work ethic stereotypes, ; and delays the meeting for intelligent hard working AA or Central Americans/Mexicans until college (at which point one would assume that affirmative action crutch is lifting one up.

Frankly makes the case for differentiation across the board. Mcps should not be losing so many intelligent AAs to private schools.

+1

Yep. We are AA and considering private for our kids.

I want to add that I find some of the comments from white people and immigrants (including African immigrants) towards AA to be pretty disgusting, both here on this forum and in real life.

Many of you need to revisit the history of the United States and in particular, the continued suppression of AA from slavery, to segregation to discrimination.

In 2019 I think that's a very stretch argument. As a successful aa yourself you know it's possible to be successful. The issues continuing to plague aa are self inflicted including rampant consumerism fear of acting white and not valuing the importance of education

As a successful AA, I understand that your statement is bullshit...as I'm sure you are aware.

Read a book or find yourself an AA friend, if they will have you, that is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People are making too much a deal on the so-called "diversity". Diversity is a result, not a goal. As long as a school does not have any policy or practice that directly favors a certain (ethnic/income level etc.) group, I do not see a problem even if the end result is a "non-diverse" school.

I mean, segregation is also a result. It is the result of deliberate housing and educational policy decisions going back decades. It is also the result of personal choices that reinforce patterns of segregation, and pressure brought to bear on the government to maintain segregated schools.

No. Segregation was and still is a goal. Diversity and inclusion should be a goal and a result.

[Anonymous]

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well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.

DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.

Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.

Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion

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cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.

and to the grammar nazi go f yourself

DP here. I'm Asian and wanted black kids and Hispanic kids in my children's school regardless of socioeconomic background. I feel like my kids ability to get along with people from all walks of life is critical to their future. It's unbelievable that in this area I still come across people, people who attended higly rated schools or private schools, who literally get uncomfortable interacting with a group of black people.

+1 I'm also an Asian American parent, and we too wanted our children to see successful and smart black and hispanic people and not grow up with a stereotype of certain racial groups.

If you look at some of the non W school clusters like Northwest and RM (non IB, look at JWMS), you'd see that there are a fair amount of Asian Americans in those cluster. And believe it or not, some of us can actually afford to live in a W cluster but choose not to for one reason or another.

Please highlight these schools with lots of blacks and Hispanics in top classes. If anything in most diverse schools it's mostly just whites Asians and Africans with mostly Hispanics and African Americans in lower classes which just furthers stereotypes.

The private schools. Educated, successful blacks and Latinos send their kids there so that teacher grading biases or underperformance generalizations are minimized.

And yes, going to a wheaton magnet program where the overall school has 30-40% proficiency rates for Hispanics and AA does three things: Makes it socially awkward for intelligent, hardworking AAs in particulate; reinforces racial intelligence and work ethic stereotypes, ; and delays the meeting for intelligent hard working AA or Central Americans/Mexicans until college (at which point one would assume that affirmative action crutch is lifting one up.

Frankly makes the case for differentiation across the board. Mcps should not be losing so many intelligent AAs to private schools.

+1

Yep. We are AA and considering private for our kids.

I want to add that I find some of the comments from white people and immigrants (including African immigrants) towards AA to be pretty disgusting, both here on this forum and in real life.

Many of you need to revisit the history of the United States and in particular, the continued suppression of AA from slavery, to segregation to discrimination.

In 2019 I think that's a very stretch argument. As a successful aa yourself you know it's possible to be successful. The issues continuing to plague aa are self inflicted including rampant consumerism fear of acting white and not valuing the importance of education

New poster here. That’s a racist belief. If you think there is some fundamental difference between blacks and whites, which you appear to with that statement, you are racist. There is no difference. What causes racial inequities is the culture we all live in, which has been designed from the very beginning to give advantage to whites.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.

DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.

Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.

Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion

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cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.

and to the grammar nazi go f yourself

DP here. I'm Asian and wanted black kids and Hispanic kids in my children's school regardless of socioeconomic background. I feel like my kids ability to get along with people from all walks of life is critical to their future. It's unbelievable that in this area I still come across people, people who attended higly rated schools or private schools, who literally get uncomfortable interacting with a group of black people.

+1 I'm also an Asian American parent, and we too wanted our children to see successful and smart black and hispanic people and not grow up with a stereotype of certain racial groups.

If you look at some of the non W school clusters like Northwest and RM (non IB, look at JWMS), you'd see that there are a fair amount of Asian Americans in those cluster. And believe it or not, some of us can actually afford to live in a W cluster but choose not to for one reason or another.

Please highlight these schools with lots of blacks and Hispanics in top classes. If anything in most diverse schools it's mostly just whites Asians and Africans with mostly Hispanics and African Americans in lower classes which just furthers stereotypes.

The private schools. Educated, successful blacks and Latinos send their kids there so that teacher grading biases or underperformance generalizations are minimized.

And yes, going to a wheaton magnet program where the overall school has 30-40% proficiency rates for Hispanics and AA does three things: Makes it socially awkward for intelligent, hardworking AAs in particulate; reinforces racial intelligence and work ethic stereotypes, ; and delays the meeting for intelligent hard working AA or Central Americans/Mexicans until college (at which point one would assume that affirmative action crutch is lifting one up.

Frankly makes the case for differentiation across the board. Mcps should not be losing so many intelligent AAs to private schools.

+1

Yep. We are AA and considering private for our kids.

I want to add that I find some of the comments from white people and immigrants (including African immigrants) towards AA to be pretty disgusting, both here on this forum and in real life.

Many of you need to revisit the history of the United States and in particular, the continued suppression of AA from slavery, to segregation to discrimination.

In 2019 I think that's a very stretch argument. As a successful aa yourself you know it's possible to be successful. The issues continuing to plague aa are self inflicted including rampant consumerism fear of acting white and not valuing the importance of education

New poster here. That’s a racist belief. If you think there is some fundamental difference between blacks and whites, which you appear to with that statement, you are racist. There is no difference. What causes racial inequities is the culture we all live in, which has been designed from the very beginning to give advantage to whites.

I'm the poster that called bullshit.

The poster that you and I responded to knows their statement is racist and uninformed, but my guess is that they don't care.

What is unfortunate is that many people still share that belief about AA, in spite of the preponderance of evidence that show a direct relation between past US policies towards black Americans, and the fact that black Americans are still disproportionately represented in the lower socioeconomic groups.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.

DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.

Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.

Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion

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cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.

and to the grammar nazi go f yourself

DP here. I'm Asian and wanted black kids and Hispanic kids in my children's school regardless of socioeconomic background. I feel like my kids ability to get along with people from all walks of life is critical to their future. It's unbelievable that in this area I still come across people, people who attended higly rated schools or private schools, who literally get uncomfortable interacting with a group of black people.

+1 I'm also an Asian American parent, and we too wanted our children to see successful and smart black and hispanic people and not grow up with a stereotype of certain racial groups.

If you look at some of the non W school clusters like Northwest and RM (non IB, look at JWMS), you'd see that there are a fair amount of Asian Americans in those cluster. And believe it or not, some of us can actually afford to live in a W cluster but choose not to for one reason or another.

Please highlight these schools with lots of blacks and Hispanics in top classes. If anything in most diverse schools it's mostly just whites Asians and Africans with mostly Hispanics and African Americans in lower classes which just furthers stereotypes.

The private schools. Educated, successful blacks and Latinos send their kids there so that teacher grading biases or underperformance generalizations are minimized.

And yes, going to a wheaton magnet program where the overall school has 30-40% proficiency rates for Hispanics and AA does three things: Makes it socially awkward for intelligent, hardworking AAs in particulate; reinforces racial intelligence and work ethic stereotypes, ; and delays the meeting for intelligent hard working AA or Central Americans/Mexicans until college (at which point one would assume that affirmative action crutch is lifting one up.

Frankly makes the case for differentiation across the board. Mcps should not be losing so many intelligent AAs to private schools.

+1

Yep. We are AA and considering private for our kids.

I want to add that I find some of the comments from white people and immigrants (including African immigrants) towards AA to be pretty disgusting, both here on this forum and in real life.

Many of you need to revisit the history of the United States and in particular, the continued suppression of AA from slavery, to segregation to discrimination.

In 2019 I think that's a very stretch argument. As a successful aa yourself you know it's possible to be successful. The issues continuing to plague aa are self inflicted including rampant consumerism fear of acting white and not valuing the importance of education

New poster here. That’s a racist belief. If you think there is some fundamental difference between blacks and whites, which you appear to with that statement, you are racist. There is no difference. What causes racial inequities is the culture we all live in, which has been designed from the very beginning to give advantage to whites.

I'm the poster that called bullshit.

The poster that you and I responded to knows their statement is racist and uninformed, but my guess is that they don't care.

What is unfortunate is that many people still share that belief about AA, in spite of the preponderance of evidence that show a direct relation between past US policies towards black Americans, and the fact that black Americans are still disproportionately represented in the lower socioeconomic groups.

The fact that you and the other poster are continuing to play the victim/racisim card for your people instead of telling them to shape up is ridiculous and shows you are part of the problem. How the heck did the two of you make it?!?!?! Work hard and rise above period

[Anonymous]

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The fact that you and the other poster are continuing to play the victim/racisim card for your people instead of telling them to shape up is ridiculous and shows you are part of the problem. How the heck did the two of you make it?!?!?! Work hard and rise above period

Aaaaw, what's the matter? Afraid the facts won't mesh with your desired view of this country and AA?

Bless your heart

But really, read a book (probably more than one) and get some AA friends.

I recommend The Color of Law and The Warmth of Other Suns for starters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

The fact that you and the other poster are continuing to play the victim/racisim card for your people instead of telling them to shape up is ridiculous and shows you are part of the problem. How the heck did the two of you make it?!?!?! Work hard and rise above period

Aaaaw, what's the matter? Afraid the facts won't mesh with your desired view of this country and AA?

Bless your heart

But really, read a book (probably more than one) and get some AA friends.

I recommend The Color of Law and The Warmth of Other Suns for starters.

Other poster here. Yes! And Stamped from the Beginning. I know s/he likely won’t. But others may.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The fact that you and the other poster are continuing to play the victim/racisim card for your people instead of telling them to shape up is ridiculous and shows you are part of the problem. How the heck did the two of you make it?!?!?! Work hard and rise above period

I made it because I’m white. I didn’t have to work as hard as my friends of color. I want racism to end because it’s the moral thing to do. And because it would be an economic powerhouse, the likes of which we haven’t seen since the industrial revolution.

[Anonymous]

I’m the previous multiracial poster and my kids know that we dont want the bar or expectations lowered at all for us.
They also know crime, generational poverty, fatherless families from a Day 1 are no way to be successful at anything.
Lead a good life, be a good person — it shuts everyone up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m the previous multiracial poster and my kids know that we dont want the bar or expectations lowered at all for us.
They also know crime, generational poverty, fatherless families from a Day 1 are no way to be successful at anything.
Lead a good life, be a good person — it shuts everyone up.

This is demonstrably factually incorrect.

[Anonymous]

NP here .

How? It is pretty straightforward.

Stop whining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the previous multiracial poster and my kids know that we dont want the bar or expectations lowered at all for us.
They also know crime, generational poverty, fatherless families from a Day 1 are no way to be successful at anything.
Lead a good life, be a good person — it shuts everyone up.

This is demonstrably factually incorrect.

+1 Exhibit A: Barack Obama. Devoted husband and father, HLS grad, first Black editor of the law review. Look at what faced him during the 2008 campaign and immediately afterward. Leaving politics and policy completely out of it, did everyone shut up? Or did we see a resurgence of white nationalist violence and intimidation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the previous multiracial poster and my kids know that we dont want the bar or expectations lowered at all for us.
They also know crime, generational poverty, fatherless families from a Day 1 are no way to be successful at anything.
Lead a good life, be a good person — it shuts everyone up.

This is demonstrably factually incorrect.

+1 Exhibit A: Barack Obama. Devoted husband and father, HLS grad, first Black editor of the law review. Look at what faced him during the 2008 campaign and immediately afterward. Leaving politics and policy completely out of it, did everyone shut up? Or did we see a resurgence of white nationalist violence and intimidation?

Constantly whining and playing the victim just reinforces negative sterotypes of AA sorry not sorry really yall are digging your own graves. PS demographically yall don't really matter either. Hispanics do