Charter school funding gap in FY27 budget

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The city will spend astronomical amounts renovating schools, but only if they're DCPS. DC spent $180 million redoing Duke Ellington, which only has 600 or so students. Works out to about $300,000 per student.

Banneker got a $130 million renovation (700 students)

There's a long list of DCPS high schools that have gotten $100 million+ renovations

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

If you think DCPS is a better deal, come on over.

But that's the point: none of these schools are private. All of them are public. It's not about "a better deal" it's about a public service providing an appropriate education in equally appointed facilities. At this point "separate but equal" would be a dream solution. What we have is far inferior to that. Doesn't even pretend to be equal.

The point is, despite what you think is inequitable funding, you're still at a charter. Which shows that you think you're getting a better deal. So is it really inequitable? I'm not so sure.

This is some faulty logic. Dcps has significantly more money that they’re just flushing down the drain. Charters would take that money and actually do right by their students.

Some charters.

Other charters have financial skills equivalent to the "insane renovations" of a handful DCPS high schools.

I mean, why would anyone trust Eagle Academy with more money?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The city will spend astronomical amounts renovating schools, but only if they're DCPS. DC spent $180 million redoing Duke Ellington, which only has 600 or so students. Works out to about $300,000 per student.

Banneker got a $130 million renovation (700 students)

There's a long list of DCPS high schools that have gotten $100 million+ renovations

How long exactly is that long list?

What portion of DCPS schools is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The city will spend astronomical amounts renovating schools, but only if they're DCPS. DC spent $180 million redoing Duke Ellington, which only has 600 or so students. Works out to about $300,000 per student.

Banneker got a $130 million renovation (700 students)

There's a long list of DCPS high schools that have gotten $100 million+ renovations

How long exactly is that long list?

What portion of DCPS schools is it?

The city has spent $3 billion and counting remodeling public schools (but not charters!)...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

If you think DCPS is a better deal, come on over.

But that's the point: none of these schools are private. All of them are public. It's not about "a better deal" it's about a public service providing an appropriate education in equally appointed facilities. At this point "separate but equal" would be a dream solution. What we have is far inferior to that. Doesn't even pretend to be equal.

The point is, despite what you think is inequitable funding, you're still at a charter. Which shows that you think you're getting a better deal. So is it really inequitable? I'm not so sure.

This is some faulty logic. Dcps has significantly more money that they’re just flushing down the drain. Charters would take that money and actually do right by their students.

Some charters.

Other charters have financial skills equivalent to the "insane renovations" of a handful DCPS high schools.

I mean, why would anyone trust Eagle Academy with more money?

Amos
WMST HS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

If you think DCPS is a better deal, come on over.

But that's the point: none of these schools are private. All of them are public. It's not about "a better deal" it's about a public service providing an appropriate education in equally appointed facilities. At this point "separate but equal" would be a dream solution. What we have is far inferior to that. Doesn't even pretend to be equal.

Don't lose sight of the fact that charter schools are not good for DCPS -- it adds extra burden and more limited resources with which DCPS must teach kids whose parents don't have the capacity to be involved attendance and homework parents. There are costs to this setup for DCPS!

We have this system because Congress foisted it on DC. But it was a way to solve education for some kids without actually doing anything to solve the challenges that DCPS faces (including, in addition to a population in need, lame management and bad choices by certain mayors...)

In this thread, there seems to be a lot of "I want mine!" going on while not worrying about who is getting hurt in the process.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

If you think DCPS is a better deal, come on over.

But that's the point: none of these schools are private. All of them are public. It's not about "a better deal" it's about a public service providing an appropriate education in equally appointed facilities. At this point "separate but equal" would be a dream solution. What we have is far inferior to that. Doesn't even pretend to be equal.

The point is, despite what you think is inequitable funding, you're still at a charter. Which shows that you think you're getting a better deal. So is it really inequitable? I'm not so sure.

This is some faulty logic. Dcps has significantly more money that they’re just flushing down the drain. Charters would take that money and actually do right by their students.

Some charters.

Other charters have financial skills equivalent to the "insane renovations" of a handful DCPS high schools.

I mean, why would anyone trust Eagle Academy with more money?

It's true that all of us want DC school administrators at all schools to be held accountable and to do right by students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

If you think DCPS is a better deal, come on over.

But that's the point: none of these schools are private. All of them are public. It's not about "a better deal" it's about a public service providing an appropriate education in equally appointed facilities. At this point "separate but equal" would be a dream solution. What we have is far inferior to that. Doesn't even pretend to be equal.

Don't lose sight of the fact that charter schools are not good for DCPS -- it adds extra burden and more limited resources with which DCPS must teach kids whose parents don't have the capacity to be involved attendance and homework parents. There are costs to this setup for DCPS!

We have this system because Congress foisted it on DC. But it was a way to solve education for some kids without actually doing anything to solve the challenges that DCPS faces (including, in addition to a population in need, lame management and bad choices by certain mayors...)

In this thread, there seems to be a lot of "I want mine!" going on while not worrying about who is getting hurt in the process.

+1

None of this is true. Charters were set up because people gave up on any hope of DCPS doing right by children. We couldn't fire DCPS so we essentially hired someone else to do the job they were supposed to be doing in the first place. If DCPS had been doing a good job, charters would never have been invented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

If you think DCPS is a better deal, come on over.

But that's the point: none of these schools are private. All of them are public. It's not about "a better deal" it's about a public service providing an appropriate education in equally appointed facilities. At this point "separate but equal" would be a dream solution. What we have is far inferior to that. Doesn't even pretend to be equal.

Don't lose sight of the fact that charter schools are not good for DCPS -- it adds extra burden and more limited resources with which DCPS must teach kids whose parents don't have the capacity to be involved attendance and homework parents. There are costs to this setup for DCPS!

We have this system because Congress foisted it on DC. But it was a way to solve education for some kids without actually doing anything to solve the challenges that DCPS faces (including, in addition to a population in need, lame management and bad choices by certain mayors...)

In this thread, there seems to be a lot of "I want mine!" going on while not worrying about who is getting hurt in the process.

+1

None of this is true. Charters were set up because people gave up on any hope of DCPS doing right by children. We couldn't fire DCPS so we essentially hired someone else to do the job they were supposed to be doing in the first place. If DCPS had been doing a good job, charters would never have been invented.

And look dcps today. Managing to do okay with preschool, but anything beyond say 3rd they’re letting down their students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

If you think DCPS is a better deal, come on over.

But that's the point: none of these schools are private. All of them are public. It's not about "a better deal" it's about a public service providing an appropriate education in equally appointed facilities. At this point "separate but equal" would be a dream solution. What we have is far inferior to that. Doesn't even pretend to be equal.

Don't lose sight of the fact that charter schools are not good for DCPS -- it adds extra burden and more limited resources with which DCPS must teach kids whose parents don't have the capacity to be involved attendance and homework parents. There are costs to this setup for DCPS!

We have this system because Congress foisted it on DC. But it was a way to solve education for some kids without actually doing anything to solve the challenges that DCPS faces (including, in addition to a population in need, lame management and bad choices by certain mayors...)

In this thread, there seems to be a lot of "I want mine!" going on while not worrying about who is getting hurt in the process.

I don’t care about dcps at all. I care about students. All students in DC. DCPS does not do right by their students. They don’t provide the same opportunities that are offered in charters. No other school district in the area has lower standards than dcps. None. They are just not meeting the needs of students.

I expect most of us here believe DCPS needs better leadership and more skilled management.

But you can't "care about students" and dismiss the students who will never find their way to charter schools. You can't just write off DCPS if you "care about students." You need to make sure that DCPS Central gets the 'renovation' it needs.

No really don’t care about renovating dcps. I care about the current students in charters and current students in dcps. They should all have equal funding. And I would aggressively clean house at dcps starting with Ferabee (don’t care if I got his name spelled correctly).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

If you think DCPS is a better deal, come on over.

But that's the point: none of these schools are private. All of them are public. It's not about "a better deal" it's about a public service providing an appropriate education in equally appointed facilities. At this point "separate but equal" would be a dream solution. What we have is far inferior to that. Doesn't even pretend to be equal.

Don't lose sight of the fact that charter schools are not good for DCPS -- it adds extra burden and more limited resources with which DCPS must teach kids whose parents don't have the capacity to be involved attendance and homework parents. There are costs to this setup for DCPS!

We have this system because Congress foisted it on DC. But it was a way to solve education for some kids without actually doing anything to solve the challenges that DCPS faces (including, in addition to a population in need, lame management and bad choices by certain mayors...)

In this thread, there seems to be a lot of "I want mine!" going on while not worrying about who is getting hurt in the process.

Don’t lose sight of the fact that DC resident’s want charter schools. Thank you Congress!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

If you think DCPS is a better deal, come on over.

But that's the point: none of these schools are private. All of them are public. It's not about "a better deal" it's about a public service providing an appropriate education in equally appointed facilities. At this point "separate but equal" would be a dream solution. What we have is far inferior to that. Doesn't even pretend to be equal.

The point is, despite what you think is inequitable funding, you're still at a charter. Which shows that you think you're getting a better deal. So is it really inequitable? I'm not so sure.

Not a better deal, a better education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

If you think DCPS is a better deal, come on over.

But that's the point: none of these schools are private. All of them are public. It's not about "a better deal" it's about a public service providing an appropriate education in equally appointed facilities. At this point "separate but equal" would be a dream solution. What we have is far inferior to that. Doesn't even pretend to be equal.

Don't lose sight of the fact that charter schools are not good for DCPS -- it adds extra burden and more limited resources with which DCPS must teach kids whose parents don't have the capacity to be involved attendance and homework parents. There are costs to this setup for DCPS!

We have this system because Congress foisted it on DC. But it was a way to solve education for some kids without actually doing anything to solve the challenges that DCPS faces (including, in addition to a population in need, lame management and bad choices by certain mayors...)

In this thread, there seems to be a lot of "I want mine!" going on while not worrying about who is getting hurt in the process.

I don’t care about dcps at all. I care about students. All students in DC. DCPS does not do right by their students. They don’t provide the same opportunities that are offered in charters. No other school district in the area has lower standards than dcps. None. They are just not meeting the needs of students.

The opportunities DCPS offers, they hoard in certain schools - immersion elementary schools for Woodley Park and Mount Pleasant, but not for Colombia Heights or Brightwood. Charters provide a equal opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The city will spend astronomical amounts renovating schools, but only if they're DCPS. DC spent $180 million redoing Duke Ellington, which only has 600 or so students. Works out to about $300,000 per student.

Banneker got a $130 million renovation (700 students)

Not a renovation, but a new building on a new site. It will soon accommodate 800 students, which was half the point -- to expand from the 500 students that fit in the old building.

I don't know what the old building will get use for. Anyone?

It's been a swing space for other schools, currently Tubman. It will become the new Shaw Middle School starting in SY28-29.

https://dcps.dc.gov/page/dcps-new-middle-school-euclid-street

Wait - DCPS does’t know that building isn’t in Shaw?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The city will spend astronomical amounts renovating schools, but only if they're DCPS. DC spent $180 million redoing Duke Ellington, which only has 600 or so students. Works out to about $300,000 per student.

Banneker got a $130 million renovation (700 students)

There's a long list of DCPS high schools that have gotten $100 million+ renovations

How long exactly is that long list?

What portion of DCPS schools is it?

The city has spent $3 billion and counting remodeling public schools (but not charters!)...

They're spending $3 billion on only 50 percent of the school kids.