Is there any allegation anywhere in the complaint that the parents were concerned about anyone criticizing the IDF or Israel? Or did you just make that up in your head to silence victims and cast doubt on serious allegations of antisemitism? |
So unless people are beaten over the heads with it they are unable to perceive hitler as evil? |
DP. I have to agree that you sound pretty insane. Actually you sound like the one who is hysterical and overwrought. |
Whenever something like this happens (see also the thread about SAAS), the character of a school community is revealed.
Is this a community that can engage in introspection, or is this a community that closes ranks and starts slandering the victims? It tells you a lot, actually. |
Right?? This thread makes me despair over the state of US education. Are people really this dumb. |
you can think whatever you like, I dont know you and dont care so no sweat on my back. i am waiting for that explanation at any moment though |
So just to be clear - your position is that people who are offended by Nazi swastikas are “oversensitive” because Hindus use a similar symbol for totally benign, non-Nazi reasons? I don’t think anyone in America in 2025 is going to see a swastika (particularly if the assignment had to do with nazis) and think “oh, must be the Hindu symbol. It would be oversensitive of me to react.” Like what even ? |
Here's a store in Mumbai that was subsequently forced to close. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/hitler-clothing-store-in-india-causes-uproar/article4507530/ You will note that Hitler is not regarded as negatively in India as he should be. Whether or not this fact has any connection to Nysmith is unknown, but we do know that Nysmith has a considerable number of South Asian students.
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For God’s sake, PP, your contortions here are getting increasingly desperate and ridiculous. Please stop. |
Yeah, my point is it's a widely used, ancient symbol used in various cultures and co-opted by the nazis. Unless youre arguing that the combination of lines is some magical emblem, in which case, half of asia would be implicated, then it makes sense that students might sketch it out as part of a historical lesson. Or are we not supposed to talk or even touch on WWII? |
Yes, there are people born to be teachers who could probably do it without the certification, but most people need some training in how to think developmentally and adapt assignments. It's not about being old enough to learn it, it's about teaching all of this in a way that is appropriate for the cognitive abilities/critical thinking skills of the class you have and knowing how to adapt assignments. Having a degree in English does not mean you know how to teach it to middle schoolers with a range of abilities. I suspect some kids in the class are gifted in English, and others are there because they are gifted in Math and Science only. You have to adjust assignments and be proactive. |
NP. What would be the reason/necessity to have kids draw such a symbol as part of a lesson? |
Probably the same reason you do any classroom activity? To get them to connect with the course material and pay attention? |
I'm sure it is pretty easy to just show them a picture of it. |
It’s very clear that you’re not arguing in good faith here but, just for the record: symbols have the meanings we imbue them with as a society, and that can differ from region to region. It is beyond any reasonable dispute that if people see a swastika in America in 2025, they’re going to assume it’s a nazi symbol (not an Hindu one) and react in very predictable ways. Here, students were apparently asked to depict a Machiavellian leader and chose to draw a giant portrait of Hitler. The teacher/school should have foreseen that, regardless of the specifics of the assignment, that portrait might provoke a strong emotional response from Jewish students. The fact that they apparently DIDN’T foresee that, or didn’t care, speaks volumes about their priorities. And whether you think the assignment was actively malicious in some way (I personally don’t), it’s very clear from this and the many, many other incidents detailed in the complaint that the school’s priorities do not include the welfare of their Jewish students. Re: this part: “it makes sense that students might sketch it out as part of a historical lesson. Or are we not supposed to talk or even touch on WWII?” To be clear, this was not an assignment about WWII/given in the context of any larger lesson about WWII or the Holocaust. In fact, when the parents tried to PROVIDE that context in the form of a Holocaust Memorial Day speaker, they were shut down and the event was cancelled. |