Changes to grading for all MCPS high school students

[Anonymous]

QO’s overcrowding probably will be resolved in the next few years without any intervention. Rachel Carson was at 150% capacity (thanks mostly to the Lakelands neighborhood) almost a decade ago, but now it’s below capacity. Then Lakelands Park was briefly over capacity, but now it’s below capacity. Once the current QO cohort graduates, QO will probably be below capacity. Is MCPS planning to bus current neighborhoods that are walkers (like Lakelands) away from QO, while also busing a new mix of neighborhoods to QO? It seems ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about a rule where teachers and admin need to respond to parents within three days. We have teachers and admin who clearly read the messages and don’t respond. How about teachers needing to consistently post assignments online so parents know what’s going on. How about teachers grade within a week so kids know how they are doing? We have teachers who still have not graded or posted in a month. Not ok. Kids can only be successful if teachers also put in the effort.

OMG I would love a rule that teachers are required to put the assignments on the canvas calendar at least a few days in advance. It is so so hard to plan the work out when it’s not posted until right before it’s due. I would love love love it posted by Sunday for the week. For kids that have after school commitments, it would markedly improve life, quality of work, and ability to get lsleep. Imagine if your boss refused to post deadlines until a day or two before!

Since the kids know about the assignments and can plan their schedules, I don’t find it
Problematic that the assignments aren’t posted early. Posting too early just makes more work because changes would mean revising the posting. If a parent wants to know what’s due they can ask their kids.

It all kids communicate well and some lie. Not all of us have perfect kids like you. The getting off schedule is a nightmare. Not all teachers plan or communicate what’s coming up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:QO’s overcrowding probably will be resolved in the next few years without any intervention. Rachel Carson was at 150% capacity (thanks mostly to the Lakelands neighborhood) almost a decade ago, but now it’s below capacity. Then Lakelands Park was briefly over capacity, but now it’s below capacity. Once the current QO cohort graduates, QO will probably be below capacity. Is MCPS planning to bus current neighborhoods that are walkers (like Lakelands) away from QO, while also busing a new mix of neighborhoods to QO? It seems ridiculous.

Oops! Wrong thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about a rule where teachers and admin need to respond to parents within three days. We have teachers and admin who clearly read the messages and don’t respond. How about teachers needing to consistently post assignments online so parents know what’s going on. How about teachers grade within a week so kids know how they are doing? We have teachers who still have not graded or posted in a month. Not ok. Kids can only be successful if teachers also put in the effort.

Most teachers are putting in the effort. But that effort requires time. We’ve done this math multiple times but here it is again:
150 students x 5min an assignment =750mins / 60mins in an hour = 12.5 hours . Thats the total time to grade one assignment. If a teacher got one class period free per day let’s say 47mins x 5 days =235 mins /60 =3.9 hours. That’s how much time they had in their work week to potentially grade. There other 8.6 hours comes from their personal life.

Out of seven teachers, three are putting in effort. Getting a month behind on grading and not responding to parents is not ok.

Thank those three. They gave up their weekends and evenings for you.

The other four are giving you what they are paid for.

Some, yes, some no. It’s their job. Not ok to not grade. As of today still no grades posted for the past month.

I’m a DP, but I’m happy to repeat the math for you:

I have 150 students. A writing assignment can take 15 minutes to grade. That’s 37.5 hours of grading. I get approximately 3.5 hours a week of time to get my work done.

And that’s just one assignment. Just one. That doesn’t include emails I need to respond to, reports I have to update, plans I have to revise.

So literally half my job has to be done on my own time. Over 30 hours a week.

So… SHOULD this be my job?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about a rule where teachers and admin need to respond to parents within three days. We have teachers and admin who clearly read the messages and don’t respond. How about teachers needing to consistently post assignments online so parents know what’s going on. How about teachers grade within a week so kids know how they are doing? We have teachers who still have not graded or posted in a month. Not ok. Kids can only be successful if teachers also put in the effort.

Most teachers are putting in the effort. But that effort requires time. We’ve done this math multiple times but here it is again:
150 students x 5min an assignment =750mins / 60mins in an hour = 12.5 hours . Thats the total time to grade one assignment. If a teacher got one class period free per day let’s say 47mins x 5 days =235 mins /60 =3.9 hours. That’s how much time they had in their work week to potentially grade. There other 8.6 hours comes from their personal life.

Out of seven teachers, three are putting in effort. Getting a month behind on grading and not responding to parents is not ok.

Thank those three. They gave up their weekends and evenings for you.

The other four are giving you what they are paid for.

Some, yes, some no. It’s their job. Not ok to not grade. As of today still no grades posted for the past month.

I’m a DP, but I’m happy to repeat the math for you:

I have 150 students. A writing assignment can take 15 minutes to grade. That’s 37.5 hours of grading. I get approximately 3.5 hours a week of time to get my work done.

And that’s just one assignment. Just one. That doesn’t include emails I need to respond to, reports I have to update, plans I have to revise.

So literally half my job has to be done on my own time. Over 30 hours a week.

So… SHOULD this be my job?

I wish teachers had fewer students and more time. This would benefit the education of all students and mental health of teachers. For this we need more teachers, and more funding. I would gladly pay more taxes for this. Unfortunately i remember when our property taxes went up a few years ago Jack Smith said it was to reduce class sizes and maybe it did but they are still way to big, as evidenced by this teacher’s account. That creates distrust and erodes support. It is so frustrating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about a rule where teachers and admin need to respond to parents within three days. We have teachers and admin who clearly read the messages and don’t respond. How about teachers needing to consistently post assignments online so parents know what’s going on. How about teachers grade within a week so kids know how they are doing? We have teachers who still have not graded or posted in a month. Not ok. Kids can only be successful if teachers also put in the effort.

Most teachers are putting in the effort. But that effort requires time. We’ve done this math multiple times but here it is again:
150 students x 5min an assignment =750mins / 60mins in an hour = 12.5 hours . Thats the total time to grade one assignment. If a teacher got one class period free per day let’s say 47mins x 5 days =235 mins /60 =3.9 hours. That’s how much time they had in their work week to potentially grade. There other 8.6 hours comes from their personal life.

Out of seven teachers, three are putting in effort. Getting a month behind on grading and not responding to parents is not ok.

Thank those three. They gave up their weekends and evenings for you.

The other four are giving you what they are paid for.

Some, yes, some no. It’s their job. Not ok to not grade. As of today still no grades posted for the past month.

I’m a DP, but I’m happy to repeat the math for you:

I have 150 students. A writing assignment can take 15 minutes to grade. That’s 37.5 hours of grading. I get approximately 3.5 hours a week of time to get my work done.

And that’s just one assignment. Just one. That doesn’t include emails I need to respond to, reports I have to update, plans I have to revise.

So literally half my job has to be done on my own time. Over 30 hours a week.

So… SHOULD this be my job?

How do you think your students will improve without written feedback? I get that it takes time, but isn’t this a huge part of learning and the job?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a rule where teachers and admin need to respond to parents within three days. We have teachers and admin who clearly read the messages and don’t respond. How about teachers needing to consistently post assignments online so parents know what’s going on. How about teachers grade within a week so kids know how they are doing? We have teachers who still have not graded or posted in a month. Not ok. Kids can only be successful if teachers also put in the effort.

Most teachers are putting in the effort. But that effort requires time. We’ve done this math multiple times but here it is again:
150 students x 5min an assignment =750mins / 60mins in an hour = 12.5 hours . Thats the total time to grade one assignment. If a teacher got one class period free per day let’s say 47mins x 5 days =235 mins /60 =3.9 hours. That’s how much time they had in their work week to potentially grade. There other 8.6 hours comes from their personal life.

Out of seven teachers, three are putting in effort. Getting a month behind on grading and not responding to parents is not ok.

Thank those three. They gave up their weekends and evenings for you.

The other four are giving you what they are paid for.

My children have had exceptional teachers who keep the kids engaged, plan out assignments ahead of time, and return assignments in a timely manner/ In fact, I’d say it’s more the rule than not. This is all part of the job. Just as quality of students vary, so do aptitude and quality of teacher.

Giving timely feedback is part of the teacher’s job. It’s unfortunate for your students that it does not appear a core value to you as it does to some of your colleagues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't something the BOE votes on. It's a regulation, not a policy, so it's up to Taylor and CO to rewrite it.

True, but when they informed the BOE about it maybe a month ago, and said they planned to do a phased roll-out, the BOE pushed back. That's why it's 6-12 now.

Really unhappy with the BOE on this one. My rising current high schooler is in tears over the anticipated additional stress next year. She could manage with the one quarter on, next quarter relax pace, but constant pressure to perform all year will be felt. Especially when there are 4 tests on the same day. Ugh, Ugh, Ugh

I'm sorry she and others in this situation are stressed, but you can't do one on/one off in college. This is good preparation for what she (and others) will face after MCPS.

I disagree. Part of academic success in college is strategic time management and prioritization of tasks, figuring out where you can cut corners without sacrificing performance when too many things are due at the same time. Figuring out the most advantageous way to work within given parameters is an important skill in the workplace, as well. The same kids who have figured out how to game their high school grading system will figure out how to succeed in college and in the office. They’ll work hard but they’ll also work smarter and have a decent work/life balance.

YMMV but I think the real world values entirely different skills/strengths from these. I was in for a rude awakening when I discovered that those who got ahead or found success in the workplace were no longer the smartest in the room or the most organized/efficient. They were the people with good networks, good people skills, good management instincts, pretty privilege, and honestly a bit of good luck. I think what’s valued in school is a complete mismatch for a lot of professions.

Wow, you summarized so much of my world-shock in one paragraph.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair, the purpose of grading is to measure how well a student understands the material and how well they can complete the skill under a time constraint. For the teacher, grading should be looked at individually and as a whole. If the entire class is missing one question or section then the teacher needs to course correction as they didn’t word or present the material adequately. For the student, grading is part of the learning cycle where they learn more by seeing what they got wrong, understanding why and should be in a position to course correction and do better the next time.

Of course none of this happens because students drop assignments and tests into a black box where the teacher doesn’t return them until the day before quarter ends or much later or maybe never. Tests may be quickly reviewed in class but they are snatched back so the teacher isn’t bothered to create more than one test. This deprives students of an excellent end of year study guide but god forbid the teacher do anything pedagogical.

This is all true but I wouldn’t frame it as a knock on the teachers. McPS doesn’t give them the time to give the feedback or get grading done timely. Also, in college if a prof realizes a test was bad because one or more questions were poorly phrased or too hard, they can adjust the grades or give extra credit or something. I remember in my HS physics cclass, the teacher gave an army assignment that was impossible and almost everyone failed it, so the teacher assigned an additional assignment as “extra credit” to account for it. McPS doesn’t allow extra credit or grading on a carve. I do think people are gojng to complain more about unfair grading or violations of the grading policy — that currently happens a lot but parents let it go because it so rarely makes a difference under the current grading policy.

Good news! The new policy requires teachers to return graded school work within 10 school days.

DP. And I assume the county isn’t giving teachers any additional time to get this done, right? Just more demands on teachers’ home lives?

You want more rigor for students but not more rigor on giving students feedback?

There are multiple comments on this thread about the absence of written feedback on student work.

I’m a high school teacher who ALWAYS leaves written feedback. I make my students review my feedback and then they have to correct their work using my comments as a guide.

Guess when I leave these comments: at night when I should be with my own children, on Saturday mornings when I should be watching my own kids at practice, on Sunday when I would like to be on a family trip. I work 7 days a week to do what people on this thread want.

So yes, it would be nice to get a little bit of time AT work to DO my work. Then you can get the type of feedback you want for your children without burning out the teacher. I’m very good at what I do, but I’m not sticking around much longer. I’d like a job that respects my health and time.

How much more rigor do you want to impose on me?

If teachers or their union could come up with a workable plan for teachers to get school time, I’d support it. But absent that, I still want my children to get timely feedback as is required for proper learning and is required by your job. Full stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How about a rule where teachers and admin need to respond to parents within three days. We have teachers and admin who clearly read the messages and don’t respond. How about teachers needing to consistently post assignments online so parents know what’s going on. How about teachers grade within a week so kids know how they are doing? We have teachers who still have not graded or posted in a month. Not ok. Kids can only be successful if teachers also put in the effort.

Most teachers are putting in the effort. But that effort requires time. We’ve done this math multiple times but here it is again:
150 students x 5min an assignment =750mins / 60mins in an hour = 12.5 hours . Thats the total time to grade one assignment. If a teacher got one class period free per day let’s say 47mins x 5 days =235 mins /60 =3.9 hours. That’s how much time they had in their work week to potentially grade. There other 8.6 hours comes from their personal life.

Out of seven teachers, three are putting in effort. Getting a month behind on grading and not responding to parents is not ok.

Thank those three. They gave up their weekends and evenings for you.

The other four are giving you what they are paid for.

Some, yes, some no. It’s their job. Not ok to not grade. As of today still no grades posted for the past month.

I’m a DP, but I’m happy to repeat the math for you:

I have 150 students. A writing assignment can take 15 minutes to grade. That’s 37.5 hours of grading. I get approximately 3.5 hours a week of time to get my work done.

And that’s just one assignment. Just one. That doesn’t include emails I need to respond to, reports I have to update, plans I have to revise.

So literally half my job has to be done on my own time. Over 30 hours a week.

So… SHOULD this be my job?

Most professionals put in time at home. Don’t want to grade, don’t give assignments. Simple. Or, do them online where they auto grade. Or, some teachers just grade for completion not substance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about a rule where teachers and admin need to respond to parents within three days. We have teachers and admin who clearly read the messages and don’t respond. How about teachers needing to consistently post assignments online so parents know what’s going on. How about teachers grade within a week so kids know how they are doing? We have teachers who still have not graded or posted in a month. Not ok. Kids can only be successful if teachers also put in the effort.

Most teachers are putting in the effort. But that effort requires time. We’ve done this math multiple times but here it is again:
150 students x 5min an assignment =750mins / 60mins in an hour = 12.5 hours . Thats the total time to grade one assignment. If a teacher got one class period free per day let’s say 47mins x 5 days =235 mins /60 =3.9 hours. That’s how much time they had in their work week to potentially grade. There other 8.6 hours comes from their personal life.

Out of seven teachers, three are putting in effort. Getting a month behind on grading and not responding to parents is not ok.

Thank those three. They gave up their weekends and evenings for you.

The other four are giving you what they are paid for.

Some, yes, some no. It’s their job. Not ok to not grade. As of today still no grades posted for the past month.

I’m a DP, but I’m happy to repeat the math for you:

I have 150 students. A writing assignment can take 15 minutes to grade. That’s 37.5 hours of grading. I get approximately 3.5 hours a week of time to get my work done.

And that’s just one assignment. Just one. That doesn’t include emails I need to respond to, reports I have to update, plans I have to revise.

So literally half my job has to be done on my own time. Over 30 hours a week.

So… SHOULD this be my job?

How do you think your students will improve without written feedback? I get that it takes time, but isn’t this a huge part of learning and the job?

As a parent, if you don’t grade things till a month or two later, how do I know my kid is struggling to get them help or help myself. They think they are doing well and then get super behind, frustrated and give up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a rule where teachers and admin need to respond to parents within three days. We have teachers and admin who clearly read the messages and don’t respond. How about teachers needing to consistently post assignments online so parents know what’s going on. How about teachers grade within a week so kids know how they are doing? We have teachers who still have not graded or posted in a month. Not ok. Kids can only be successful if teachers also put in the effort.

Most teachers are putting in the effort. But that effort requires time. We’ve done this math multiple times but here it is again:
150 students x 5min an assignment =750mins / 60mins in an hour = 12.5 hours . Thats the total time to grade one assignment. If a teacher got one class period free per day let’s say 47mins x 5 days =235 mins /60 =3.9 hours. That’s how much time they had in their work week to potentially grade. There other 8.6 hours comes from their personal life.

Out of seven teachers, three are putting in effort. Getting a month behind on grading and not responding to parents is not ok.

Thank those three. They gave up their weekends and evenings for you.

The other four are giving you what they are paid for.

Some, yes, some no. It’s their job. Not ok to not grade. As of today still no grades posted for the past month.

I’m a DP, but I’m happy to repeat the math for you:

I have 150 students. A writing assignment can take 15 minutes to grade. That’s 37.5 hours of grading. I get approximately 3.5 hours a week of time to get my work done.

And that’s just one assignment. Just one. That doesn’t include emails I need to respond to, reports I have to update, plans I have to revise.

So literally half my job has to be done on my own time. Over 30 hours a week.

So… SHOULD this be my job?

I wish teachers had fewer students and more time. This would benefit the education of all students and mental health of teachers. For this we need more teachers, and more funding. I would gladly pay more taxes for this. Unfortunately i remember when our property taxes went up a few years ago Jack Smith said it was to reduce class sizes and maybe it did but they are still way to big, as evidenced by this teacher’s account. That creates distrust and erodes support. It is so frustrating.

Mcps got a huge increase in funding this year. They have tons of money. It’s how they choose to spend it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How about a rule where teachers and admin need to respond to parents within three days. We have teachers and admin who clearly read the messages and don’t respond. How about teachers needing to consistently post assignments online so parents know what’s going on. How about teachers grade within a week so kids know how they are doing? We have teachers who still have not graded or posted in a month. Not ok. Kids can only be successful if teachers also put in the effort.

Most teachers are putting in the effort. But that effort requires time. We’ve done this math multiple times but here it is again:
150 students x 5min an assignment =750mins / 60mins in an hour = 12.5 hours . Thats the total time to grade one assignment. If a teacher got one class period free per day let’s say 47mins x 5 days =235 mins /60 =3.9 hours. That’s how much time they had in their work week to potentially grade. There other 8.6 hours comes from their personal life.

Out of seven teachers, three are putting in effort. Getting a month behind on grading and not responding to parents is not ok.

Thank those three. They gave up their weekends and evenings for you.

The other four are giving you what they are paid for.

Some, yes, some no. It’s their job. Not ok to not grade. As of today still no grades posted for the past month.

I’m a DP, but I’m happy to repeat the math for you:

I have 150 students. A writing assignment can take 15 minutes to grade. That’s 37.5 hours of grading. I get approximately 3.5 hours a week of time to get my work done.

And that’s just one assignment. Just one. That doesn’t include emails I need to respond to, reports I have to update, plans I have to revise.

So literally half my job has to be done on my own time. Over 30 hours a week.

So… SHOULD this be my job?

What exactly is your job then? Just show up, talk for a few minutes, give busy work and you do your own thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair, the purpose of grading is to measure how well a student understands the material and how well they can complete the skill under a time constraint. For the teacher, grading should be looked at individually and as a whole. If the entire class is missing one question or section then the teacher needs to course correction as they didn’t word or present the material adequately. For the student, grading is part of the learning cycle where they learn more by seeing what they got wrong, understanding why and should be in a position to course correction and do better the next time.

Of course none of this happens because students drop assignments and tests into a black box where the teacher doesn’t return them until the day before quarter ends or much later or maybe never. Tests may be quickly reviewed in class but they are snatched back so the teacher isn’t bothered to create more than one test. This deprives students of an excellent end of year study guide but god forbid the teacher do anything pedagogical.

This is all true but I wouldn’t frame it as a knock on the teachers. McPS doesn’t give them the time to give the feedback or get grading done timely. Also, in college if a prof realizes a test was bad because one or more questions were poorly phrased or too hard, they can adjust the grades or give extra credit or something. I remember in my HS physics cclass, the teacher gave an army assignment that was impossible and almost everyone failed it, so the teacher assigned an additional assignment as “extra credit” to account for it. McPS doesn’t allow extra credit or grading on a carve. I do think people are gojng to complain more about unfair grading or violations of the grading policy — that currently happens a lot but parents let it go because it so rarely makes a difference under the current grading policy.

Good news! The new policy requires teachers to return graded school work within 10 school days.

DP. And I assume the county isn’t giving teachers any additional time to get this done, right? Just more demands on teachers’ home lives?

You want more rigor for students but not more rigor on giving students feedback?

There are multiple comments on this thread about the absence of written feedback on student work.

I’m a high school teacher who ALWAYS leaves written feedback. I make my students review my feedback and then they have to correct their work using my comments as a guide.

Guess when I leave these comments: at night when I should be with my own children, on Saturday mornings when I should be watching my own kids at practice, on Sunday when I would like to be on a family trip. I work 7 days a week to do what people on this thread want.

So yes, it would be nice to get a little bit of time AT work to DO my work. Then you can get the type of feedback you want for your children without burning out the teacher. I’m very good at what I do, but I’m not sticking around much longer. I’d like a job that respects my health and time.

How much more rigor do you want to impose on me?

If teachers or their union could come up with a workable plan for teachers to get school time, I’d support it. But absent that, I still want my children to get timely feedback as is required for proper learning and is required by your job. Full stop.

10 extra hours is very reasonable.
15 I can do, but I won’t love it.

30 extra hours a week means I don’t see my own children. Parents like the PP expect me to sacrifice my children for theirs. I can’t do that anymore.

So the teachers who provide feedback and give you the quality instruction you want are quitting. I’m one of them. I’m the teacher you are clamoring to get your child assigned to.

You see the suggestions on this thread already: just don’t assign work, don’t provide feedback, etc. The teachers who operate this way are the ones surviving. You’re going to get more of them as the hard workers burn out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair, the purpose of grading is to measure how well a student understands the material and how well they can complete the skill under a time constraint. For the teacher, grading should be looked at individually and as a whole. If the entire class is missing one question or section then the teacher needs to course correction as they didn’t word or present the material adequately. For the student, grading is part of the learning cycle where they learn more by seeing what they got wrong, understanding why and should be in a position to course correction and do better the next time.

Of course none of this happens because students drop assignments and tests into a black box where the teacher doesn’t return them until the day before quarter ends or much later or maybe never. Tests may be quickly reviewed in class but they are snatched back so the teacher isn’t bothered to create more than one test. This deprives students of an excellent end of year study guide but god forbid the teacher do anything pedagogical.

This is all true but I wouldn’t frame it as a knock on the teachers. McPS doesn’t give them the time to give the feedback or get grading done timely. Also, in college if a prof realizes a test was bad because one or more questions were poorly phrased or too hard, they can adjust the grades or give extra credit or something. I remember in my HS physics cclass, the teacher gave an army assignment that was impossible and almost everyone failed it, so the teacher assigned an additional assignment as “extra credit” to account for it. McPS doesn’t allow extra credit or grading on a carve. I do think people are gojng to complain more about unfair grading or violations of the grading policy — that currently happens a lot but parents let it go because it so rarely makes a difference under the current grading policy.

Good news! The new policy requires teachers to return graded school work within 10 school days.

DP. And I assume the county isn’t giving teachers any additional time to get this done, right? Just more demands on teachers’ home lives?

You want more rigor for students but not more rigor on giving students feedback?

There are multiple comments on this thread about the absence of written feedback on student work.

I’m a high school teacher who ALWAYS leaves written feedback. I make my students review my feedback and then they have to correct their work using my comments as a guide.

Guess when I leave these comments: at night when I should be with my own children, on Saturday mornings when I should be watching my own kids at practice, on Sunday when I would like to be on a family trip. I work 7 days a week to do what people on this thread want.

So yes, it would be nice to get a little bit of time AT work to DO my work. Then you can get the type of feedback you want for your children without burning out the teacher. I’m very good at what I do, but I’m not sticking around much longer. I’d like a job that respects my health and time.

How much more rigor do you want to impose on me?

If teachers or their union could come up with a workable plan for teachers to get school time, I’d support it. But absent that, I still want my children to get timely feedback as is required for proper learning and is required by your job. Full stop.

10 extra hours is very reasonable.
15 I can do, but I won’t love it.

30 extra hours a week means I don’t see my own children. Parents like the PP expect me to sacrifice my children for theirs. I can’t do that anymore.

So the teachers who provide feedback and give you the quality instruction you want are quitting. I’m one of them. I’m the teacher you are clamoring to get your child assigned to.

You see the suggestions on this thread already: just don’t assign work, don’t provide feedback, etc. The teachers who operate this way are the ones surviving. You’re going to get more of them as the hard workers burn out.

Agreed. I am a parent and family member of many teachers. I support you.

What do we do about it?

Would it be crazy and unfair to have different student loads depending on subject and the number of preps?