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Anonymous
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If you decide who an American president should be based on their foreign policy over their domestic policy then you have lost the plot. Are you more emotionally connected to what is happening overseas than to what is happening in your town? Are you using your time, money and talents to influence what is happening "over there?" Why?
Please, if you feel comfortable, please tell us why? If your answer has anything to do with "right and wrong" then help us understand why "right and wrong" overseas has more of your attention than "right and wrong" here. |
Anonymous
Yeah, that’s your view, and you’re probably correct with respect to this iteration of the Gaza conflict. In the long term, I want more candidates in Democratic primaries who take a more reasonable position on “supporting Israel”, and the only way to message to the party that the demand exists is by cutting into Biden’s margins among blue voters. Like the uncommitted votes in the primaries in Michigan and a few other states. And I believe the success of those campaigns did get the Biden campaign’s attention, just not enough. |
Anonymous
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general. [/quote]
LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire. There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict. But, sure carry on with the head scratching. [/quote] +100. The entire Democratic establishment is ignoring the glaring issue that the Israel/Gaza issue is important to a lot of people. I am a NYS voter, a moderate Democrat (i.e., not a progressive) and have voted straight ticket D my entire life. Protecting reproductive rights is my most important voting issue. Demographically I’m someone Biden is probably taking for granted (Asian female professional, in the 29-35 age range). And yet I will be withholding my vote for Biden over Gaza. Obviously I understand that Trump is worse on this issue and every other issue, but my intention in doing this is to cut into his margins in NY to make the point to the Democratic Party that they’ll lose voters over this and that they need to take a more nuanced position on Israel. What we are doing now is disgusting.[/quote] How do you feel about LGBTQ issues?[/quote] I’m the PP. I’m supportive of the LGBTQ community and am aligned with the general position of the party on upholding their human rights along with everyone else’s. I think people should use whatever bathroom they want. I am personally kind of skeptical about transgender women competing in women’s sports, and I think that some advocates for inclusive language go too far (“pregnant people”, for example), but that kind of stuff is not material to my vote.[/quote] OK PP. Now how does Israel approach those rights vs. Gaza and Hamas?[/quote] Oh, I see what you’re doing here. Clever. Unfortunately Israel has been committing a 6-month campaign of indiscriminate bombing (i.e., war crimes) against civilians, and actively withholding humanitarian aid, including food, water, and medicine, from said civilians, and murdering foreign aid workers who try to help said civilians, so they’re not winning any human rights awards anytime soon. Maybe try a better argument.[/quote] After they were attacked on October 7th. What do you think we did to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor, and rightfully so?[/quote] They were not attacked by a state power, they were attacked by a movement that represents people displaced by the Nakba who were subsequently sequestered in a ghetto and abused for decades by the Israeli. The reasonable WWII-era analogy for October 7th isn’t Pearl Harbor, it’s the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. |
Anonymous
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general. [/quote]
LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire. There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict. But, sure carry on with the head scratching. [/quote] +100. The entire Democratic establishment is ignoring the glaring issue that the Israel/Gaza issue is important to a lot of people. I am a NYS voter, a moderate Democrat (i.e., not a progressive) and have voted straight ticket D my entire life. Protecting reproductive rights is my most important voting issue. Demographically I’m someone Biden is probably taking for granted (Asian female professional, in the 29-35 age range). And yet I will be withholding my vote for Biden over Gaza. Obviously I understand that Trump is worse on this issue and every other issue, but my intention in doing this is to cut into his margins in NY to make the point to the Democratic Party that they’ll lose voters over this and that they need to take a more nuanced position on Israel. What we are doing now is disgusting.[/quote] How do you feel about LGBTQ issues?[/quote] I’m the PP. I’m supportive of the LGBTQ community and am aligned with the general position of the party on upholding their human rights along with everyone else’s. I think people should use whatever bathroom they want. I am personally kind of skeptical about transgender women competing in women’s sports, and I think that some advocates for inclusive language go too far (“pregnant people”, for example), but that kind of stuff is not material to my vote.[/quote] OK PP. Now how does Israel approach those rights vs. Gaza and Hamas?[/quote] Oh, I see what you’re doing here. Clever. Unfortunately Israel has been committing a 6-month campaign of indiscriminate bombing (i.e., war crimes) against civilians, and actively withholding humanitarian aid, including food, water, and medicine, from said civilians, and murdering foreign aid workers who try to help said civilians, so they’re not winning any human rights awards anytime soon. Maybe try a better argument.[/quote] After they were attacked on October 7th. What do you think we did to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor, and rightfully so?[/quote] They were not attacked by a state power, they were attacked by a movement that represents people displaced by the Nakba who were subsequently sequestered in a ghetto and abused for decades by the Israeli. The reasonable WWII-era analogy for October 7th isn’t Pearl Harbor, it’s the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. [/quote] I'll take this one. It's really, really easy, although you won't like to hear it. Look at your policies and their effects. Look at what actually happens, not what you want to happen. You know why? You democrats NEVER take human nature and character into account. You just know you want something and proceed to ram it down everyone's throats by force. There's your answer on why your numbers aren't budging. |
Anonymous
Not sure how, but quoting got really screwed up in this thread.... I'll take this one. It's really, really easy, although you won't like to hear it. Look at your policies and their effects. Look at what actually happens, not what you want to happen. You know why? You democrats NEVER take human nature and character into account. You just know you want something and proceed to ram it down everyone's throats by force. There's your answer on why your numbers aren't budging. |
Anonymous
This is ignorant AF. The President has by far more latitude in foreign policy than in any other area. To blindly support Israel’s genocide in Gaza (and horror show in the West Bank) is demonstrate a deep evil. If that isn’t bad enough, it’s ruined our reputation abroad (much more than Trump did!) right at the time the rest of the world is getting much better at fighting back. And this is all because he’s blindly loyal (bribed by Haim Saban and his scuzzy friends?) to a fascist ethnostate. It’s a mega-disaster! |
Anonymous
People just have different views than you as to what is important. And frankly, condescending statements that people who disagree with you on priorities have “lost the plot” isn’t helpful if you’re trying to convince them to come over to your side. Democrats have a bad tendency to do this with swing voters and also with voters in the party who disagree with them. I’m the PP who is refusing to vote for Biden this year over Gaza. I take your point to some extent. I’ve never sat an election out; I spent two hours in line at 7 AM to vote for Biden in Philadelphia in 2020. Until now I’ve been a single issue voter on reproductive rights. I’m a lawyer, I know the importance of the Supreme Court. I hate Trump as much as anyone. I think a Trump presidency would be very damaging. But Biden’s (and basically the whole party’s, except progressives who are generally to the left of me) reaction to Israel’s behavior in this conflict has been really eye opening. Our government is essentially bought and paid for by the Israel lobby. And it’s not just foreign policy, it’s spilled into the effective suppression of free speech on this issue within the US itself. I find that to be really alarming, and voting (by not voting) against that has become an urgent issue to me. Enough that I’m willing to cut against everything I said above to make the point. |
Anonymous
The US is still the most powerful country in the world and as long as that is the case, we absolutely do play a role in global leadership. This doesn't mean that we alone are the source or solution to any problems. If we ignore our role as the leading superpower while pretending that the POTUS position is some kind of figurehead position that any Trump or Biden can fill, we'll eventually be subjected to an adversary being the source of global leadership. Our greatest Americans sacrificed everything in world wars to fend off tyrannical regimes. Taking our freedom and our role in the world for granted would be a spit on their graves. |
Anonymous
If the GOP wins, you won’t get to vote again. |
Anonymous
Save our Democracy(TM)! |
Anonymous
Yeah, how many times have we heard that? Every election years since forever. |
Anonymous
+1 |
Anonymous
NP. The problem the Democrats have is that there are a large number of voters like PP in their base. Meanwhile there are a large number of moderates in swing states who are angry with Biden over things like gutting Title IX protections for girls. (I still have no idea why Biden has handed Republicans such an effective mechanism for dismantling the electoral advantage Democrats had over Republicans with abortion in swing states in an election year. What a foolish decision.) So, a group of people who would always vote Democrat like PP are sitting this out. Meanwhile a group of people who are swing state voters who would have been a lock-in for Biden over abortion rights (suburban moderates) are questioning whether Biden actually supports their daughters at all because of the Title IX changes. I know the DCUM echo chamber will immediately scream about how much more important abortion rights are, but outside the bubble, a perception that the Democrats are as bad for people’s daughters as the Republicans are will make voters either cross over or stay home in critical swing state districts. I don’t really know how the Democrats will bridge this. |
Anonymous
Don't care. I want Biden out. |