These are articles discussing the investigations that the media conducted into the allegations. These are news reports with details about the investigations. This is not burying heads or pretending nothing happened. |
Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim succinctly summed up: Taylor and Baer have been really sketchy about the whole thing, and since the accuser is anonymous, journalists can’t do anything to verify her claims. The only journalist who has actually interviewed Johnson, Emily Shugerman at Revelist, came away confused and even doubting whether Johnson really exists. Donald Trump Is Accused Of Raping A 13-Year-Old. Why Haven't The Media Covered It? There are two big reasons. By Ryan Grim Nov 2, 2016, 02:57 PM EDT Updated Nov 4, 2016, 09:31 PM EDT https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_n_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834/amp “For months, people have wondered why this case isn’t getting more ― or, really, any ― attention in the press, even now that Trump faces an actual court date: a Dec. 16 status conference with the judge. The lawsuit against Trump includes affidavits from two anonymous women who say they were witnesses. Yet there’s been little coverage of the case. As one of the media outlets that has not published much about it, I can say there are two main reasons we shied away. The accuser is anonymous. The accuser in this case is anonymous, and the suit is filed under a pseudonym in New York. A previous case filed in California used the name “Katie Johnson.” To accuse someone in print of forcibly raping a child is about as serious a charge as can be made. To do that with an anonymous accuser would be an extraordinary step, putting the journalist’s reputation on the line. One senior national reporter who has covered both campaigns said that the anonymity was the main stumbling block. “If it’s something that’s this damaging to a candidate, you better be sure, and she’s anonymous,” the reporter said, asking for anonymity to talk openly about the decision-making process. “Look, if she came out and she would do an interview, that would be different, but she’s an anonymous plaintiff.” To go forward with an anonymous source shifts responsibility for the veracity of the claims from the accuser to the reporter. If the person is named and on record, the reporter can argue that he or she is merely reporting what the person is saying, and people are free to believe her or not. But giving anonymity says something different to an audience. It suggests, I, as a journalist, have investigated this person and these charges, and find them sufficiently credible to bring them forward without a name attached. Especially in the wake of the Rolling Stone fiasco, that requires an extreme amount of confidence in the source. And the way the case rolled out did not inspire that confidence. The accuser’s public backers have been savaged in the press. One of the leading organizers of the effort to get the press to pay attention to this case is Steve Baer, an outspoken Republican donor. Baer last made news when his effort to out an alleged affair between Reps. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and Renee Ellmers (R-N.C.) contributed to McCarthy dropping his bid to become House speaker. Baer’s style is to liberally cc and bcc an endless stream of powerful people, and it usually has the effect of getting none of them to listen. When I wrote to him Monday night, for instance, to say I was going to write a story on why the media were avoiding the child rape story, he replied and cc’ed Washington Post Executive Editor Marty Baron, along with a host of other media figures. And Baer, in fact, is among the more credible advocates the accuser has going for her. The accuser initially filed the case on her own behalf in California, but it was tossed for not stating an articulable violation of her civil rights. The case has since been refiled in New York, under the representation of a patent lawyer named Thomas Meagher. A patent lawyer handling the case hasn’t inspired the most confidence. (He didn’t respond to a request for comment.) The least credible backer has to be a man who may or may not be named Al Taylor, but is more likely named Norm Lubow, and was apparently a former producer for “The Jerry Springer Show.” Media outlets that have tried to get in touch with Johnson have had extreme difficulty doing so. The Daily Beast did a deep dive into the case and the people supporting the accuser in July, and came to a devastating conclusion: “Far from derailing the Trump train, Katie Johnson and her supporters seem to be in an out-of-control clown car whose wheels just came off,” wrote Brandy Zadrozny. The Guardian and Jezebel also looked into the situation and came up with equally unfavorable takes. A writer who actually talked to Johnson came away confused about what to make of the allegations. It’s unclear if anybody has managed to speak to Tiffany Doe or Joan Doe, the two witnesses cited in the case. “Jezebel, The Guardian and The Daily Beast effectively poisoned the well on Katie’s credibility,” Baer lamented to HuffPost, accurately.“ How is this MAGAS sticking their heads in the sand? If anything, it’s democrats not knowing the previous media investigations concluded that anonymous plaintiffs who won’t accept media interviews were not credible. |
Ok, can you link to the new information? |
| The more these idiots try and smear Trump, the more powerful he gets. Geez, learn something |
FYI: this is the new Epstein info just released regarding Trump. It’s been covered in this thread already. Unless you have more linked information with a citation from a reputable new source? |
Wow look at your spin on E. Jean Carroll. He was found guilty. That's the authoritative fact that you cannot deny. And Trump's defense was the joke, his central defense was merely "oh I couldn't have because she's not my type" yet he misidentified E. Jean Carroll as his former wife Marla Maples The one he was so obsessed with that he weirdly still kept a picture of her in a bikini on his desk even while married to Melania
"Not his type" indeed. How completely lame and not even remotely credible. He insults our intelligence with every single thing that comes out of his mouth. |
The Ira Rosen allegations are covered here. |
Nah. You know why? Either you got all those articles allegedly debunking Trump raping this person or that from your right wing listserv or you know how to google. So go google. Really bathe in the fact that you support a rapist. Ask yourself why he told Stormi and the Katie Johnson the same thing: “you remind me of my daughter.” That wasn’t public in 2016 (see Trump’s felony convictions for why that wasn’t public). No, really, ask yourself why Trump had sex immediately after telling at least one woman (and potentially one girl) that she reminded him of her daughter. |
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Sorry Trump defenders, but we aren't in some kind of flat earth cult, where we must desperately cling to the belief that the earth is flat because if that one thing is disproven, it somehow disproves our entire belief system.
Sorry it doesn't work that way. We continually get new info and evaluate it and unlike a cult, we aren't in a bubble with one monolithic source of information that is considered authoritative and above all. If there's a sufficiently credible argument to disprove one thing it doesn't somehow magically make us disbelieve everything else under the sun. So even if Katie Johnson disappears, it still leaves Trump with a whole host of other serious problems. So you're wasting your time posting over and over about Katie Johnson thinking that by doing that, you can make everything else go away. |
And oh, by the way, in case you want to scream "that's fake news it was photoshopped!!!" here's the original photo posted on Trump's own Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/photos/happy-cinco-de-mayo-the-best-taco-bowls-are-made-in-trump-tower-grill-i-love-his/10157008375200725/ What a weird stalky psycho, perving on his ex like that. |
Media sources used in this thread: The Daily Beast Huffington Post UK Guardian Vox Radar Online People magazine online NY Magazine/Intelligencer These sources are not conservative or right wing media sources. You can’t add anything to accuse Trump with from the new documents because the new information from the newly released documents were previously detailed and discussed in this thread. The Ira Rosen allegations have been discussed above. That’s the tweet about the alleged sex tapes Epstein had of Trump. Ira Rosen is a very confident man, almost comically confident. The “Katie Johnson” case has been discussed above, multiple times, with repeating links and information. The sources of information are all credible. They have “receipts,” as we say. You are not discussing this topic in good faith. |
Smear? He is a 78-year-old man with a 50+ year history of living his life in the tabloids because he is a fame wh***. One doesn't have to look very long to find any number of photos and news stories that quickly put in perspective who he is--and it ain't pretty. Those of us who are older and remember stories about him (many of which he liked to plant himself) from his earlier days in NYC don't need any new stories about him to change our minds about who he is. We already know him. It's younger people who need to be reminded who he is. He doesn't need to be "smeared"--his record even before he was president speaks for itself. |
You are reminding people of lies. |
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Sounds like I need to keep reposting this until you get it:
Sorry Trump defenders, but we aren't in some kind of flat earth cult, where we must desperately cling to the belief that the earth is flat because if that one thing is disproven, it somehow disproves our entire belief system. Sorry it doesn't work that way. We continually get new info and evaluate it and unlike a cult, we aren't in a bubble with one monolithic source of information that is considered authoritative and above all. If there's a sufficiently credible argument to disprove one thing it doesn't somehow magically make us disbelieve everything else under the sun. So even if Katie Johnson disappears, it still leaves Trump with a whole host of other serious problems. So you're wasting your time posting over and over about Katie Johnson thinking that by doing that, you can make everything else go away. |