Colby is poised to have the lowest acceptance rate of any LAC this year

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Anonymous wrote:For those that are new to this thread and don't want to read 15 pages, there is a clear reason why Colby had such a low acceptance rate: The number of applications have skyrocketed.

And there is a reason why applications have skyrocketed. My DC just got a postcard from Colby, it said:

1) No application fee, it is free to apply.
2) No supplemental essays.
3) They said any family with under $75K income is likely to get free tuition.
4) They said any family with under $150K income is likely to pay around $15,000 a year.
5) Average student gets $68K in aid.

So even if you don't know anything about the school, never visited, etc., all you have to do is press a button on the Common App. and can get a decision from the staff and possibly a ton of financial aid.

Can't hurt to apply? And apparently a ton of students are doing so, and Colby is rejected almost all of them.

+1. Yet another school
marketing itself to
jump in the rankings

-2. Yet another poster who does not understand that acceptance rate is not used in the USN rankings.

It is crazy that supposed bright people do not know this. Acceptance rate are not used. SAT scores are barely used. US News uses an equity driven ranking system.

It’s understandable that they don’t know it. What’s crazy is that they still feel compelled to come to places like this and spread bad information before they do any research. Which would take 5 minutes on the USN website. Ask me how I know.

Acceptance rate factors into US News indirectly as its reputation score.

You fail math. There is no such thing as “indirectly” in a formula.

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Anonymous wrote:https://news.colby.edu/story/class-of-2027-admitted-to-colby/

6% admitted, considerably down from 28% nine years ago Lower than Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Williams, and Amherst...

Colby admits for Jan and sends people to Europe first semester and doesn’t count it. Not in same category as Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Middlebury, Pomona, Wesleyan.

Uhhhh… dude, you ever heard of Febs at Midd? No? Then maybe you should stop commenting.

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Anonymous wrote:so it’s all about no app fee? wes amd midd have no supps and don’t get these numbers. could they be fudging numbers?

Also, Hamilton, Grinnell, Colgate have no supps as well.

As far as I can tell, none of these schools do tons of marketing to prospective students, nor do they push people to apply ED or spend a lot of time talking about their acceptance rates (or at least Wesleyan and Midd don’t, the two we’ve toured).

Sounds like the application fee is just one element of Colby’s game.

Grinnell has both no supps, no fee.

I agree the Colby's game. but for last several years, Colby's yields were pretty good. Last year was around 54%.
I think the high yield means a lot. If people apply only for no fee and no supps, the yield shouldn't be this high comparing with other SLACs.

Or, high yield means they take a ton of kids ED. If you take 80% of the class ED, and they have close to 100% yield, that’s a lot different from yield perspective than taking 40% ED. Just ask Bates.

And without the CDS, we don’t know, do we?

Selectivity is function of acceptance rate + yield rate + student caliber.
If the school can fill up with high caliber kids and have low acceptance rate and high yield(ED or not), then the school is indeed selective. High stat kids choosing the school as 1st choice(ED) means something.

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Anonymous wrote:For those that are new to this thread and don't want to read 15 pages, there is a clear reason why Colby had such a low acceptance rate: The number of applications have skyrocketed.

And there is a reason why applications have skyrocketed. My DC just got a postcard from Colby, it said:

1) No application fee, it is free to apply.
2) No supplemental essays.
3) They said any family with under $75K income is likely to get free tuition.
4) They said any family with under $150K income is likely to pay around $15,000 a year.
5) Average student gets $68K in aid.

So even if you don't know anything about the school, never visited, etc., all you have to do is press a button on the Common App. and can get a decision from the staff and possibly a ton of financial aid.

Can't hurt to apply? And apparently a ton of students are doing so, and Colby is rejected almost all of them.

+1. Yet another school
marketing itself to
jump in the rankings

-2. Yet another poster who does not understand that acceptance rate is not used in the USN rankings.

It is crazy that supposed bright people do not know this. Acceptance rate are not used. SAT scores are barely used. US News uses an equity driven ranking system.

It’s understandable that they don’t know it. What’s crazy is that they still feel compelled to come to places like this and spread bad information before they do any research. Which would take 5 minutes on the USN website. Ask me how I know.

Acceptance rate factors into US News indirectly as its reputation score.

You fail math. There is no such thing as “indirectly” in a formula.

Reputation is a survey. If you think there is no correlation between acceptance rates and reputation amongst a significant proportion of survey takers, well, let’s just say you had best stick to your elementary school algorithms.

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Anonymous wrote:so it’s all about no app fee? wes amd midd have no supps and don’t get these numbers. could they be fudging numbers?

Also, Hamilton, Grinnell, Colgate have no supps as well.

As far as I can tell, none of these schools do tons of marketing to prospective students, nor do they push people to apply ED or spend a lot of time talking about their acceptance rates (or at least Wesleyan and Midd don’t, the two we’ve toured).

Sounds like the application fee is just one element of Colby’s game.

Grinnell has both no supps, no fee.

I agree the Colby's game. but for last several years, Colby's yields were pretty good. Last year was around 54%.
I think the high yield means a lot. If people apply only for no fee and no supps, the yield shouldn't be this high comparing with other SLACs.

Or, high yield means they take a ton of kids ED. If you take 80% of the class ED, and they have close to 100% yield, that’s a lot different from yield perspective than taking 40% ED. Just ask Bates.

And without the CDS, we don’t know, do we?

Selectivity is function of acceptance rate + yield rate + student caliber.
If the school can fill up with high caliber kids and have low acceptance rate and high yield(ED or not), then the school is indeed selective. High stat kids choosing the school as 1st choice(ED) means something.

Nobody is saying that Colby is not selective, only that it is 1) not nearly as selective as its admissions rate alone would indicate and 2) its refusal to share % of class filled ED (which selectivity is a function of; you conveniently left that out) is sketchy and merits the assumption that this percentage is much higher than its peers.

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Anonymous wrote:For those that are new to this thread and don't want to read 15 pages, there is a clear reason why Colby had such a low acceptance rate: The number of applications have skyrocketed.

And there is a reason why applications have skyrocketed. My DC just got a postcard from Colby, it said:

1) No application fee, it is free to apply.
2) No supplemental essays.
3) They said any family with under $75K income is likely to get free tuition.
4) They said any family with under $150K income is likely to pay around $15,000 a year.
5) Average student gets $68K in aid.

So even if you don't know anything about the school, never visited, etc., all you have to do is press a button on the Common App. and can get a decision from the staff and possibly a ton of financial aid.

Can't hurt to apply? And apparently a ton of students are doing so, and Colby is rejected almost all of them.

+1. Yet another school
marketing itself to
jump in the rankings

-2. Yet another poster who does not understand that acceptance rate is not used in the USN rankings.

It is crazy that supposed bright people do not know this. Acceptance rate are not used. SAT scores are barely used. US News uses an equity driven ranking system.

It’s understandable that they don’t know it. What’s crazy is that they still feel compelled to come to places like this and spread bad information before they do any research. Which would take 5 minutes on the USN website. Ask me how I know.

Acceptance rate factors into US News indirectly as its reputation score.

You fail math. There is no such thing as “indirectly” in a formula.

Reputation is a survey. If you think there is no correlation between acceptance rates and reputation amongst a significant proportion of survey takers, well, let’s just say you had best stick to your elementary school algorithms.

Yes except you have no evidence of that and pulled this theory right from your butt. And you can make a crack about “elementary school algorithms” but the fact is you can’t quantify anything and that is what formulas are about. So, sorry, unless you can quantify something or provide evidence your theory can be dismissed with the same.

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Anonymous wrote:For those that are new to this thread and don't want to read 15 pages, there is a clear reason why Colby had such a low acceptance rate: The number of applications have skyrocketed.

And there is a reason why applications have skyrocketed. My DC just got a postcard from Colby, it said:

1) No application fee, it is free to apply.
2) No supplemental essays.
3) They said any family with under $75K income is likely to get free tuition.
4) They said any family with under $150K income is likely to pay around $15,000 a year.
5) Average student gets $68K in aid.

So even if you don't know anything about the school, never visited, etc., all you have to do is press a button on the Common App. and can get a decision from the staff and possibly a ton of financial aid.

Can't hurt to apply? And apparently a ton of students are doing so, and Colby is rejected almost all of them.

+1. Yet another school
marketing itself to
jump in the rankings

-2. Yet another poster who does not understand that acceptance rate is not used in the USN rankings.

It is crazy that supposed bright people do not know this. Acceptance rate are not used. SAT scores are barely used. US News uses an equity driven ranking system.

It’s understandable that they don’t know it. What’s crazy is that they still feel compelled to come to places like this and spread bad information before they do any research. Which would take 5 minutes on the USN website. Ask me how I know.

Acceptance rate factors into US News indirectly as its reputation score.

You fail math. There is no such thing as “indirectly” in a formula.

Reputation is a survey. If you think there is no correlation between acceptance rates and reputation amongst a significant proportion of survey takers, well, let’s just say you had best stick to your elementary school algorithms.

Yes except you have no evidence of that and pulled this theory right from your butt. And you can make a crack about “elementary school algorithms” but the fact is you can’t quantify anything and that is what formulas are about. So, sorry, unless you can quantify something or provide evidence your theory can be dismissed with the same.

Somebody needs to learn what correlation means: the survey results and admission rates are right there for you. Have fun, and let me know how it went when school gets back in the fall.

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Anonymous wrote:For those that are new to this thread and don't want to read 15 pages, there is a clear reason why Colby had such a low acceptance rate: The number of applications have skyrocketed.

And there is a reason why applications have skyrocketed. My DC just got a postcard from Colby, it said:

1) No application fee, it is free to apply.
2) No supplemental essays.
3) They said any family with under $75K income is likely to get free tuition.
4) They said any family with under $150K income is likely to pay around $15,000 a year.
5) Average student gets $68K in aid.

So even if you don't know anything about the school, never visited, etc., all you have to do is press a button on the Common App. and can get a decision from the staff and possibly a ton of financial aid.

Can't hurt to apply? And apparently a ton of students are doing so, and Colby is rejected almost all of them.

+1. Yet another school
marketing itself to
jump in the rankings

-2. Yet another poster who does not understand that acceptance rate is not used in the USN rankings.

It is crazy that supposed bright people do not know this. Acceptance rate are not used. SAT scores are barely used. US News uses an equity driven ranking system.

It’s understandable that they don’t know it. What’s crazy is that they still feel compelled to come to places like this and spread bad information before they do any research. Which would take 5 minutes on the USN website. Ask me how I know.

Acceptance rate factors into US News indirectly as its reputation score.

You fail math. There is no such thing as “indirectly” in a formula.

Reputation is a survey. If you think there is no correlation between acceptance rates and reputation amongst a significant proportion of survey takers, well, let’s just say you had best stick to your elementary school algorithms.

Yes except you have no evidence of that and pulled this theory right from your butt. And you can make a crack about “elementary school algorithms” but the fact is you can’t quantify anything and that is what formulas are about. So, sorry, unless you can quantify something or provide evidence your theory can be dismissed with the same.

Somebody needs to learn what correlation means: the survey results and admission rates are right there for you. Have fun, and let me know how it went when school gets back in the fall.

There is no data anywhere that shows a “correlation” between drops in admissions rates and reputation reports by academic professionals. None. Nada.

Also, as you may or may not have learned, correlation does not imply causation. That’s not my opinion, that a principle of statistics.

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Why do so few kids accept Colby? I mean if the acceptance rate is the lowest there must be some issue with the College.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do so few kids accept Colby? I mean if the acceptance rate is the lowest there must be some issue with the College.

Colby's yield is climbing and is identical if not greater than peer LACs. Students are choosing Colby, which is impressive with how easy their app process is. Clearly there is real demand for Colby.

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Anonymous wrote:Colby might've been the most boarding school, ugly campus I've ever been unfortunate to walk across. My DC hated their experience touring!

Our experience was quite the opposite. The campus was idyllic with an amazing performing arts center, athletic facility and art museum. The kids looked super engaged and the ones we spoke to where extremely happy.

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Anonymous wrote:Colby might've been the most boarding school, ugly campus I've ever been unfortunate to walk across. My DC hated their experience touring!

Our experience was quite the opposite. The campus was idyllic with an amazing performing arts center, athletic facility and art museum. The kids looked super engaged and the ones we spoke to where extremely happy.

Same, except students were quite depressed when we visited in the spring time. Apparently, there's a lot of tension between students and admin but where isn't that true

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Anonymous wrote:For those that are new to this thread and don't want to read 15 pages, there is a clear reason why Colby had such a low acceptance rate: The number of applications have skyrocketed.

And there is a reason why applications have skyrocketed. My DC just got a postcard from Colby, it said:

1) No application fee, it is free to apply.
2) No supplemental essays.
3) They said any family with under $75K income is likely to get free tuition.
4) They said any family with under $150K income is likely to pay around $15,000 a year.
5) Average student gets $68K in aid.

So even if you don't know anything about the school, never visited, etc., all you have to do is press a button on the Common App. and can get a decision from the staff and possibly a ton of financial aid.

Can't hurt to apply? And apparently a ton of students are doing so, and Colby is rejected almost all of them.

+1. Yet another school
marketing itself to
jump in the rankings

-2. Yet another poster who does not understand that acceptance rate is not used in the USN rankings.

It is crazy that supposed bright people do not know this. Acceptance rate are not used. SAT scores are barely used. US News uses an equity driven ranking system.

It’s understandable that they don’t know it. What’s crazy is that they still feel compelled to come to places like this and spread bad information before they do any research. Which would take 5 minutes on the USN website. Ask me how I know.

Acceptance rate factors into US News indirectly as its reputation score.

You fail math. There is no such thing as “indirectly” in a formula.

Reputation is a survey. If you think there is no correlation between acceptance rates and reputation amongst a significant proportion of survey takers, well, let’s just say you had best stick to your elementary school algorithms.

I think that you should read the rankings methodology of USNWR. I’ve copied it here for your convenience. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/ranking-criteria-and-weights

Most notably, the “reputation” score you are referring to is the “Peer Assessment” ranking factor which is a score given by top administrators of other colleges in the academic quality of a college (scored 1-5). I don’t see any impact of acceptance rates here. Can you elaborate?

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Anonymous wrote:For those that are new to this thread and don't want to read 15 pages, there is a clear reason why Colby had such a low acceptance rate: The number of applications have skyrocketed.

And there is a reason why applications have skyrocketed. My DC just got a postcard from Colby, it said:

1) No application fee, it is free to apply.
2) No supplemental essays.
3) They said any family with under $75K income is likely to get free tuition.
4) They said any family with under $150K income is likely to pay around $15,000 a year.
5) Average student gets $68K in aid.

So even if you don't know anything about the school, never visited, etc., all you have to do is press a button on the Common App. and can get a decision from the staff and possibly a ton of financial aid.

Can't hurt to apply? And apparently a ton of students are doing so, and Colby is rejected almost all of them.

+1. Yet another school
marketing itself to
jump in the rankings

-2. Yet another poster who does not understand that acceptance rate is not used in the USN rankings.

It is crazy that supposed bright people do not know this. Acceptance rate are not used. SAT scores are barely used. US News uses an equity driven ranking system.

It’s understandable that they don’t know it. What’s crazy is that they still feel compelled to come to places like this and spread bad information before they do any research. Which would take 5 minutes on the USN website. Ask me how I know.

Acceptance rate factors into US News indirectly as its reputation score.

You fail math. There is no such thing as “indirectly” in a formula.

Reputation is a survey. If you think there is no correlation between acceptance rates and reputation amongst a significant proportion of survey takers, well, let’s just say you had best stick to your elementary school algorithms.

Yes except you have no evidence of that and pulled this theory right from your butt. And you can make a crack about “elementary school algorithms” but the fact is you can’t quantify anything and that is what formulas are about. So, sorry, unless you can quantify something or provide evidence your theory can be dismissed with the same.

Somebody needs to learn what correlation means: the survey results and admission rates are right there for you. Have fun, and let me know how it went when school gets back in the fall.

There is no data anywhere that shows a “correlation” between drops in admissions rates and reputation reports by academic professionals. None. Nada.

Also, as you may or may not have learned, correlation does not imply causation. That’s not my opinion, that a principle of statistics.

People need to stop saying this. Correlation may or may not imply causation. Often it does. Whether it does or not is called “theory.” Tell your AP stats teacher this.

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Anonymous wrote:For those that are new to this thread and don't want to read 15 pages, there is a clear reason why Colby had such a low acceptance rate: The number of applications have skyrocketed.

And there is a reason why applications have skyrocketed. My DC just got a postcard from Colby, it said:

1) No application fee, it is free to apply.
2) No supplemental essays.
3) They said any family with under $75K income is likely to get free tuition.
4) They said any family with under $150K income is likely to pay around $15,000 a year.
5) Average student gets $68K in aid.

So even if you don't know anything about the school, never visited, etc., all you have to do is press a button on the Common App. and can get a decision from the staff and possibly a ton of financial aid.

Can't hurt to apply? And apparently a ton of students are doing so, and Colby is rejected almost all of them.

+1. Yet another school
marketing itself to
jump in the rankings

-2. Yet another poster who does not understand that acceptance rate is not used in the USN rankings.

It is crazy that supposed bright people do not know this. Acceptance rate are not used. SAT scores are barely used. US News uses an equity driven ranking system.

It’s understandable that they don’t know it. What’s crazy is that they still feel compelled to come to places like this and spread bad information before they do any research. Which would take 5 minutes on the USN website. Ask me how I know.

Acceptance rate factors into US News indirectly as its reputation score.

You fail math. There is no such thing as “indirectly” in a formula.

Reputation is a survey. If you think there is no correlation between acceptance rates and reputation amongst a significant proportion of survey takers, well, let’s just say you had best stick to your elementary school algorithms.

Yes except you have no evidence of that and pulled this theory right from your butt. And you can make a crack about “elementary school algorithms” but the fact is you can’t quantify anything and that is what formulas are about. So, sorry, unless you can quantify something or provide evidence your theory can be dismissed with the same.

Somebody needs to learn what correlation means: the survey results and admission rates are right there for you. Have fun, and let me know how it went when school gets back in the fall.

There is no data anywhere that shows a “correlation” between drops in admissions rates and reputation reports by academic professionals. None. Nada.

Also, as you may or may not have learned, correlation does not imply causation. That’s not my opinion, that a principle of statistics.

People need to stop saying this. Correlation may or may not imply causation. Often it does. Whether it does or not is called “theory.” Tell your AP stats teacher this.

You don't even know what "theory" means in science. Bet you are an evolution denier also. And you don't know what "imply" means either, apparently.

You are wrong. Correlation does not imply causation. End period.

https://www.datacamp.com/blog/data-demystified-correlation-vs-causation

https://www.jmp.com/en_us/statistics-knowledge-portal/what-is-correlation/correlation-vs-causation.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

https://towardsdatascience.com/4-reasons-why-correlation-does-not-imply-causation-f202f69fe979