Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:This forum attracts the dissatisfied and those with political purposes (eg the ones who mention the school board in every single school thread). But it’s important to keep in mind that most parents are satisfied with their school and teacher and FCPS. I attended one of the superintendent conversations in the fall and one of the strategic planning forums in the winter and both had people who had recently moved to FCPS from out of state commenting in how good their experience had been so far.

NP and I urge each and every FCPS parent PP to look closely and get involved and see for yourself. I’m a longtime parent volunteer independent of the PTA.

See for yourselves. I’m now in an itinerant position and have witnessed some concerning situations and just about heard it all.

Look beyond the carefully planned, scripted and prepared superintendent’s forum and planning meetings. That isn’t a measure of state of schools. Not even close.

To the “inclusion” PP. you are spot on and inclusion is disruptive, stressful and an abysmal failure- most particularly in kindergarten with a crowded classroom with hesitant, to school-avoidant, to non English learners students. Woe to the child who enters kindergarten with solid English language skills, a burgeoning and expansive vocabulary and rudimentary math skills. The classroom is ill-prepared to handle “average” kids and therefore this type of student will be forgotten in the midst of “pull outs” and “interventions” and “assessments” and social service type visits. Ask me how I know. My DC was this forgotten student in an oft lauded (on dcum) FCPS AAP Center ES.

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Anonymous wrote:This forum attracts the dissatisfied and those with political purposes (eg the ones who mention the school board in every single school thread). But it’s important to keep in mind that most parents are satisfied with their school and teacher and FCPS. I attended one of the superintendent conversations in the fall and one of the strategic planning forums in the winter and both had people who had recently moved to FCPS from out of state commenting in how good their experience had been so far.

NP and I urge each and every FCPS parent PP to look closely and get involved and see for yourself. I’m a longtime parent volunteer independent of the PTA.

See for yourselves. I’m now in an itinerant position and have witnessed some concerning situations and just about heard it all.

Look beyond the carefully planned, scripted and prepared superintendent’s forum and planning meetings. That isn’t a measure of state of schools. Not even close.

To the “inclusion” PP. you are spot on and inclusion is disruptive, stressful and an abysmal failure- most particularly in kindergarten with a crowded classroom with hesitant, to school-avoidant, to non English learners students. Woe to the child who enters kindergarten with solid English language skills, a burgeoning and expansive vocabulary and rudimentary math skills. The classroom is ill-prepared to handle “average” kids and therefore this type of student will be forgotten in the midst of “pull outs” and “interventions” and “assessments” and social service type visits. Ask me how I know. My DC was this forgotten student in an oft lauded (on dcum) FCPS AAP Center ES.

If your kid was AAP, they were by definition not forgotten.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This forum attracts the dissatisfied and those with political purposes (eg the ones who mention the school board in every single school thread). But it’s important to keep in mind that most parents are satisfied with their school and teacher and FCPS. I attended one of the superintendent conversations in the fall and one of the strategic planning forums in the winter and both had people who had recently moved to FCPS from out of state commenting in how good their experience had been so far.

NP and I urge each and every FCPS parent PP to look closely and get involved and see for yourself. I’m a longtime parent volunteer independent of the PTA.

See for yourselves. I’m now in an itinerant position and have witnessed some concerning situations and just about heard it all.

Look beyond the carefully planned, scripted and prepared superintendent’s forum and planning meetings. That isn’t a measure of state of schools. Not even close.

To the “inclusion” PP. you are spot on and inclusion is disruptive, stressful and an abysmal failure- most particularly in kindergarten with a crowded classroom with hesitant, to school-avoidant, to non English learners students. Woe to the child who enters kindergarten with solid English language skills, a burgeoning and expansive vocabulary and rudimentary math skills. The classroom is ill-prepared to handle “average” kids and therefore this type of student will be forgotten in the midst of “pull outs” and “interventions” and “assessments” and social service type visits. Ask me how I know. My DC was this forgotten student in an oft lauded (on dcum) FCPS AAP Center ES.

Way to denigrate anyone who disagrees with you! These parents were sharing their satisfaction if their child’s experience.

I know there are many problems - I think making regular schools serve special education students is a huge problem as is the unfunded mandate of IDEA, among other issues. But many things are fine, good or even great and it’s not fair to ignore that.

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Anonymous wrote:Covid lockdowns have proven to have been a huge mistake.

Look what happens when kids spend time with their families. Their behavior goes to s&%t.

You know that “lockdowns” and isolation are a form of torture. Most families couldn’t afford babysitters.

Okay but they've been back in school for 2 years now. It's not Covid anymore. It's crappy parenting and too much screens.

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I agree with this too. I work in an elementary school. So many of the elementary kids I serve are lacking basic vocabulary and grammar because they’ve sat in front of a screen. I mean it’s crazy-preschoolers and kindergarteners who can’t tell you their colors or the names of common items in the house but can talk all about Rainbow friends or Mario. It’s shocking.

Also-teachers are complaining about how parents expect them to do everything now. Potty train my kid. Get my kids to eat vegetables. Teach my child how to make friends.

FCPS and Admin have also gone overboard adding things to teachers' plates this year:

-gen ed advisory class sizes way up with SPED kids to free up SPED teacher time
-check your advisory students' grades and help them make a plan to remediate in classes where they're doing poorly
-file weekly reports on some parts of advisory SPED kids' IEPs and 504s
-use part of planning periods to staff tardy stations and issue tardy passes
-teach SEL lessons or play prescribed games or read some assigned powerpoint to students who could not care less during EVERY advisory period
-have a discussion with every kid who is tardy/unexcused absent about why they're tardy/absent and what they can do to fix this
-design new learning activities after in-service "training" in your subject area and file reports with the central office to report on your own learning
-POGPOL stuff
-literacy in the classroom stuff
-call families after a small number of tardies and unexcused absences
-call families about F's multiple times a year
-design and implement remediation plan for students who have F's so they'll pass (if they're absent a lot and don't do their homework, how do you think the teacher is going to fix months of them not doing what they're supposed to do?)
-lots of extra meetings for compensatory services coming your way very shortly
-hours and hours and hours more of repetitive live and video training

This is in addition to:
CLT meetings
IEP/504 meetings
departmental meetings
all-hands faculty meetings

I can't imagine what they're going to add next year.

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OMG- this is so true. The amount of hours I spend on ridiculous trainings, meetings, oversight reports etc. It is SO DRAINING. I completed the “mandatory annual training” which was 20 hours of videos (that I couldn’t FF through) and tests - and the subjects were things like “fall prevention” Literally a video on watching where you walk, not climbing on chairs.

I finished that, took a breath and thought, “ok, now I finally have some time to make that lesson plan for that struggling kid, and I get an email from my supervisor requiring me to answer a midterm review document that was 3 pages long. That took me 2 weeks to find the time to do. Finish that. Get another email to do another report on the pretend teacher lesson program I’m supposed to create and report on throughout the year.

The amount of paperwork and training we have to do wastes our time, burns us out and keeps us from teaching! Believe it or not, I want to teach your kids! I
have ample ideas about differentiation and how to challenge Susie or better support Frank. But the federal/state/district oversight takes up ALL my time, and a lot of my off time.

People-please consider this when you vote. Vote for school board members who have been educators, who support teachers.

[Anonymous]

I am a teacher who works incredibly hard. I am fortunate to have parents who value and support me. But, I can tell you this. The amount of parenting questions I have gotten over my career in mind boggling. My teammates agree. The second thing is my kids with phones have the worst attention spans. This is 6th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:^ I say this as a parent and a teacher: how your children develop and turn out is always on you as the parent. Always.

Teachers can influence behavior while at school for most. They just don’t want to be bothered often.

No, I see why you might think that, but I cannot undo your parenting. Your influence is the important one.

Neither can parents undo your teaching.

Or, lack of teaching. The teacher just throws the pre-canned Social Studies slides at the students yesterday (67 slides) and tells them to do as many as possible. No teaching, no lecture, no read aloud… That’s teaching folks?

Teachers want to teach. If that’s not happening there is a bigger problem. They can’t fix kids. They can’t fix unrealistic expectations. They can’t do it all. Other people play a role in creating the school environment and child development. Legislatures, school board, administrators, and, yes, even parents all have the more power. The people actually teaching? Unfortunately, not so much. Teachers need to be valued more and given a voice.

They will be valued when they deserve to be.

You are an idiot and a huge part of the problem.

Pot meet kettle.

No, I values teachers and do what I can to support them and their classrooms. I work with my kids at home to respectful and prepared to learn.

I would gladly pay more taxes for better staffing/pay. I support removing superfluous requirements.

Teachers should have more of a voice so we can improve education.

Coming from the righteous one who resorted to calling a poster an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:This forum attracts the dissatisfied and those with political purposes (eg the ones who mention the school board in every single school thread). But it’s important to keep in mind that most parents are satisfied with their school and teacher and FCPS. I attended one of the superintendent conversations in the fall and one of the strategic planning forums in the winter and both had people who had recently moved to FCPS from out of state commenting in how good their experience had been so far.

NP and I urge each and every FCPS parent PP to look closely and get involved and see for yourself. I’m a longtime parent volunteer independent of the PTA.

See for yourselves. I’m now in an itinerant position and have witnessed some concerning situations and just about heard it all.

Look beyond the carefully planned, scripted and prepared superintendent’s forum and planning meetings. That isn’t a measure of state of schools. Not even close.

To the “inclusion” PP. you are spot on and inclusion is disruptive, stressful and an abysmal failure- most particularly in kindergarten with a crowded classroom with hesitant, to school-avoidant, to non English learners students. Woe to the child who enters kindergarten with solid English language skills, a burgeoning and expansive vocabulary and rudimentary math skills. The classroom is ill-prepared to handle “average” kids and therefore this type of student will be forgotten in the midst of “pull outs” and “interventions” and “assessments” and social service type visits. Ask me how I know. My DC was this forgotten student in an oft lauded (on dcum) FCPS AAP Center ES.

You have no place being with children. Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:^ I say this as a parent and a teacher: how your children develop and turn out is always on you as the parent. Always.

Teachers can influence behavior while at school for most. They just don’t want to be bothered often.

No, I see why you might think that, but I cannot undo your parenting. Your influence is the important one.

Neither can parents undo your teaching.

Or, lack of teaching. The teacher just throws the pre-canned Social Studies slides at the students yesterday (67 slides) and tells them to do as many as possible. No teaching, no lecture, no read aloud… That’s teaching folks?

Teachers want to teach. If that’s not happening there is a bigger problem. They can’t fix kids. They can’t fix unrealistic expectations. They can’t do it all. Other people play a role in creating the school environment and child development. Legislatures, school board, administrators, and, yes, even parents all have the more power. The people actually teaching? Unfortunately, not so much. Teachers need to be valued more and given a voice.

They will be valued when they deserve to be.

You are an idiot and a huge part of the problem.

Pot meet kettle.

No, I values teachers and do what I can to support them and their classrooms. I work with my kids at home to respectful and prepared to learn.

I would gladly pay more taxes for better staffing/pay. I support removing superfluous requirements.

Teachers should have more of a voice so we can improve education.

Coming from the righteous one who resorted to calling a poster an idiot.

Truth hurts. PP is an idiot.

It’s possible that PP is a political agitator trying to sh1t on teachers to push some Republican propaganda. But my money is on idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher who works incredibly hard. I am fortunate to have parents who value and support me. But, I can tell you this. The amount of parenting questions I have gotten over my career in mind boggling. My teammates agree. The second thing is my kids with phones have the worst attention spans. This is 6th grade.

Would it be better to completely eliminate the phones in school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:so those of us who have kids who still have a while to graduate but can't afford private schools? what do we do? I encourage my kids to read (they love reading), they take math enrichment...but what else? Is this also an issue with kids in honors and IB/AP classes?

Nope. My kids have been in AAP since 3rd, 1 is about to graduate with a full IB diploma, the other is in 10th taking AP classes. They are at 2 different schools. The senior pupil placed to an IB Scchool. The Board reads like fiction to me. My kids and their peers are studious and motivated and teachers love them. Teachers will reach out to me unsolicited about my kids with positive messages. I think I'm more the norm than this board would have you believe.

3 teachers my kids had in the past have since left FCPS, the rest have remained. All of the 3 that left, still keep in contact with my kids and my family. 2 of the 3 that left, along with his current English teacher, helped review my oldests's college/scholarship essays.

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Anonymous wrote:^ I say this as a parent and a teacher: how your children develop and turn out is always on you as the parent. Always.

Teachers can influence behavior while at school for most. They just don’t want to be bothered often.

No, I see why you might think that, but I cannot undo your parenting. Your influence is the important one.

Neither can parents undo your teaching.

Or, lack of teaching. The teacher just throws the pre-canned Social Studies slides at the students yesterday (67 slides) and tells them to do as many as possible. No teaching, no lecture, no read aloud… That’s teaching folks?

Teachers want to teach. If that’s not happening there is a bigger problem. They can’t fix kids. They can’t fix unrealistic expectations. They can’t do it all. Other people play a role in creating the school environment and child development. Legislatures, school board, administrators, and, yes, even parents all have the more power. The people actually teaching? Unfortunately, not so much. Teachers need to be valued more and given a voice.

They will be valued when they deserve to be.

You are an idiot and a huge part of the problem.

Pot meet kettle.

No, I values teachers and do what I can to support them and their classrooms. I work with my kids at home to respectful and prepared to learn.

I would gladly pay more taxes for better staffing/pay. I support removing superfluous requirements.

Teachers should have more of a voice so we can improve education.

Coming from the righteous one who resorted to calling a poster an idiot.

Truth hurts. PP is an idiot.

It’s possible that PP is a political agitator trying to sh1t on teachers to push some Republican propaganda. But my money is on idiot.

You’ve got yourself into a pretzel trying to justify calling someone an idiot. That makes you one.

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Anonymous wrote:^ I say this as a parent and a teacher: how your children develop and turn out is always on you as the parent. Always.

Teachers can influence behavior while at school for most. They just don’t want to be bothered often.

No, I see why you might think that, but I cannot undo your parenting. Your influence is the important one.

Neither can parents undo your teaching.

Or, lack of teaching. The teacher just throws the pre-canned Social Studies slides at the students yesterday (67 slides) and tells them to do as many as possible. No teaching, no lecture, no read aloud… That’s teaching folks?

Teachers want to teach. If that’s not happening there is a bigger problem. They can’t fix kids. They can’t fix unrealistic expectations. They can’t do it all. Other people play a role in creating the school environment and child development. Legislatures, school board, administrators, and, yes, even parents all have the more power. The people actually teaching? Unfortunately, not so much. Teachers need to be valued more and given a voice.

They will be valued when they deserve to be.

You are an idiot and a huge part of the problem.

Pot meet kettle.

No, I values teachers and do what I can to support them and their classrooms. I work with my kids at home to respectful and prepared to learn.

I would gladly pay more taxes for better staffing/pay. I support removing superfluous requirements.

Teachers should have more of a voice so we can improve education.

Coming from the righteous one who resorted to calling a poster an idiot.

Truth hurts. PP is an idiot.

It’s possible that PP is a political agitator trying to sh1t on teachers to push some Republican propaganda. But my money is on idiot.

My money is on you trying to push some anti-children liberal propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher who works incredibly hard. I am fortunate to have parents who value and support me. But, I can tell you this. The amount of parenting questions I have gotten over my career in mind boggling. My teammates agree. The second thing is my kids with phones have the worst attention spans. This is 6th grade.

Just wondering if you could share a few examples of mind-boggling questions parents have asked? I'm sure you've heard it all in terms of over-the-top parent requests, btw. Sit with my kid and feed lunch to her, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Things are great here in New Jersey, where the median teacher salary is above $90,000 (versus about $65,000 in Fairfax County). Of course, we pay 2x the property tax you do.

How many years of teaching with a Bachelor’s degree does it take to get up $90k? Just curious. I’m in year 11 in my district and I’m around $81k. I should get to $90k by year 20. That’s nothing to get excited about.

If salaries aren't frozen AGAIN...

I have a MA+30 and have been teaching over 20 years, but only 16 with FCPS. I barely make $90K. I've had an MA the entire time I've been teaching and added the +30 about 15 years ago, so it isn't as though those are new credentials. We've had salary and step freezes so often that I am not on the step I should be.

I've worked for 30 years professional work and make $100,000 and don't have summers off. Teaching might be harder, but there are real other jobs that make this same amount. I think the safety issues are ridiculous in the schools.

Right, but if people aren't willing to do the job, then you don't have people doing the job. That's the bottom line.

It's a necessary job, so you have to get it filled somehow. That means more salary or better benefits or something. The benefits and salary are not too much if you can't find people to do it. Obviously -- and I mean obviously -- if it was that great a trade-off, people would go into teaching from other jobs instead of just saying it's a better deal. If it were, they would do it, especially with requirements loosened.

Not really. That’s what they said about grocery store checkout employees. Should we pay checkout workers 6 figure salaries because they had to work duri by the pandemic and deal with the public and other undesirable traits of their jobs? Nope. Self checkout!

Trends are moving in different directions. Traditional styles of in person teaching are fading away. Time to rethink education.

Great sounds like you are good with having no teachers at school. Enjoy

Many schools already are moving towards flipped classrooms where 1 teacher can record the lesson for multiple classrooms. Kids watch the lesson and then complete the assignments. Many times the assignment is graded by the computer. The teacher can hold office hours for questions or respond via email. Stride K12, Connections Academy, and many others have software based learning augmented by a teacher. We won’t need as many teachers anyway. This is the future.

This is funny after how you all SCREAMED that students needed to be in the building students need to build relationships with their teachers. "just look at what covid did to our kids" LOL

Kids would still be in the school building. They could be supervised by a behavior specialist. Teaching as we know it is a dying profession. Teachers dont want the job and students learning shouldn’t be dependent on the availability of a teacher. Software and video lessons ensure continuity in learning.

Bwhahahah. No "behavior specialist" in their right mind would take that assignment. Overseeing a group of students who are sitting around supposedly learning en masse from a recorded video is not what RBTs, BCBAs, or even behavior techs do.

It could very well be what they do. Aides would work as well. Kids who would be on phones and not working would be doing that regardless of whether a teacher is trying to teach in front of them or not. The only difference would be children who want to learn could continue learning regardless of whether the teacher resigned or not.

Tell me you've never been in the classroom without telling me LOL fool

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Covid lockdowns have proven to have been a huge mistake.

Look what happens when kids spend time with their families. Their behavior goes to s&%t.

You know that “lockdowns” and isolation are a form of torture. Most families couldn’t afford babysitters.

Okay but they've been back in school for 2 years now. It's not Covid anymore. It's crappy parenting and too much screens.

+1
I agree with this too. I work in an elementary school. So many of the elementary kids I serve are lacking basic vocabulary and grammar because they’ve sat in front of a screen. I mean it’s crazy-preschoolers and kindergarteners who can’t tell you their colors or the names of common items in the house but can talk all about Rainbow friends or Mario. It’s shocking.

Also-teachers are complaining about how parents expect them to do everything now. Potty train my kid. Get my kids to eat vegetables. Teach my child how to make friends.

FCPS and Admin have also gone overboard adding things to teachers' plates this year:

-gen ed advisory class sizes way up with SPED kids to free up SPED teacher time
-check your advisory students' grades and help them make a plan to remediate in classes where they're doing poorly
-file weekly reports on some parts of advisory SPED kids' IEPs and 504s
-use part of planning periods to staff tardy stations and issue tardy passes
-teach SEL lessons or play prescribed games or read some assigned powerpoint to students who could not care less during EVERY advisory period
-have a discussion with every kid who is tardy/unexcused absent about why they're tardy/absent and what they can do to fix this
-design new learning activities after in-service "training" in your subject area and file reports with the central office to report on your own learning
-POGPOL stuff
-literacy in the classroom stuff
-call families after a small number of tardies and unexcused absences
-call families about F's multiple times a year
-design and implement remediation plan for students who have F's so they'll pass (if they're absent a lot and don't do their homework, how do you think the teacher is going to fix months of them not doing what they're supposed to do?)
-lots of extra meetings for compensatory services coming your way very shortly
-hours and hours and hours more of repetitive live and video training

This is in addition to:
CLT meetings
IEP/504 meetings
departmental meetings
all-hands faculty meetings

I can't imagine what they're going to add next year.

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OMG- this is so true. The amount of hours I spend on ridiculous trainings, meetings, oversight reports etc. It is SO DRAINING. I completed the “mandatory annual training” which was 20 hours of videos (that I couldn’t FF through) and tests - and the subjects were things like “fall prevention” Literally a video on watching where you walk, not climbing on chairs.

I finished that, took a breath and thought, “ok, now I finally have some time to make that lesson plan for that struggling kid, and I get an email from my supervisor requiring me to answer a midterm review document that was 3 pages long. That took me 2 weeks to find the time to do. Finish that. Get another email to do another report on the pretend teacher lesson program I’m supposed to create and report on throughout the year.

The amount of paperwork and training we have to do wastes our time, burns us out and keeps us from teaching! Believe it or not, I want to teach your kids! I
have ample ideas about differentiation and how to challenge Susie or better support Frank. But the federal/state/district oversight takes up ALL my time, and a lot of my off time.

People-please consider this when you vote. Vote for school board members who have been educators, who support teachers.

Our current public school system is obviously set-up for failure. I wonder what their motive is.