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Anonymous
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After seeing a response to another topic, I had to start a topic on this alone..
THIS MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!! How can you go from voting Hillary to McCain??? McCain stands for everything that Hillary did not....What are you people thinking???? Please explain....Are you just bitter??? |
Anonymous
Perhaps it's presumptuous of me to jump in, since I've supported Obama all along. But if experience is the most important criterion for you, and if you measure experience by time in Washington, I can understand how you'd go for McCain. Remember, that's not my criterion, I'm just pointing out that it's a logical decision. Of course, a lot of people vote their gut reactions, and as the Romans (almost) said, de gutibus, non disputandum est (there's no arguing gut feelings)! Rich |
Anonymous
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At the risk of bringing up a very touchy and sensitive matter, could it have something to do with race?
Some people, consciously and unconsciously, have real issues with voting for someone of color. And... add to that the whole Muslim-bashing that has been going on and the attempts to make voters think that Obama is a terrorist based on his middle name. |
Anonymous
| Do you not realize the damage you are doing to party unity efforts? For heaven's sake, if someone wants to vote for John McCain, let it go. Stop suggesting that they're racist. Those who are fanning the flames by saying you're so mad at Clinton supporters, or they're bitter, or they're racist, are REALLY not helping the Democratic Party reclaim the White House. Just let it go. |
Anonymous
Not fair to make assumptions like this when you have no information whatsoever about this person(s). From an Obama supporter. |
Anonymous
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13:36 poster here. Whoa. I did not make any assumptions. I offered one possible reason. And I think that we all are aware of some of the racist tendencies out there. Not mentioning them doesn't make them cease to exist and bringing them up on a forum such as this doesn't make me bitter, disloyal, or a damaging force within the Democratic Party.
I am sure that there are a lot of people voting for McCain because they think he is the better candidate, I just brought up the possibility that perhaps there is another (less ideal) reason why people who were voting for Clinton now are voting for McCain. |
Anonymous
| But see, this is what I don't understand. Everyone keeps throwing the word "experience" out there when you're talking about McCain vs. Obama. But, if you were a Hillary supporter in the first place, then you have ideals, beliefs, & standards that you follow. So, experience or not, why aren't you voting for the candidate that is highly likely to carry out those same standards, as opposed to voting for someone who is completely on the other end of the spectrum?? |
Anonymous
Put that way, it's not necessarily an unreasonable statement. However, when offered singly as was done earlier it implied that this could very likely be why the particular person in question is voting for McCain -- which, c'mon, sounded like an attack. I don't agree with the Clinton supporters who choose to vote for McCain over Obama but I would need to know more about why they're doing it before I landed on that particular conclusion. |
Anonymous
| re ideals beliefs and standards-- I think it is blind to assume Obama represents those and McCain does not for Hillary supporters. I am still undecided, but my ideals and standards are less "liberal dogmatic party line" and more looking for functional not corrupt government. McCain could offer that, and although Obama may also, I remember the first BIll Clinton term, and although not corrupt, it was hardly functional. Obama strikes me as similar to Bill in that way. After Bush, I want a functioning government back more than I want my liberal policies advanced. |
Anonymous
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Of course Hillary and Obama are essentially the same candidate ideologically speaking, but I'm a diehard HRC supporter and I'm still bitter, frankly. I don't get the Biden choice. Toward the end, I wasn't naive enough to believe Clinton would be the VP pick. But really --at least half the democratic electorate supported her. I think it's hugely arrogant and wrongheaded of the Obama camp NOT to choose HRC. If we'd had revotes in Mich. and Fla., she'd be our nominee. And I think people will have voter's remorse after they see the number the GOP plays on our democratic ticket.
The democratic party was held hostage by these young voters, ultra-liberals and the "change" mobs and they've given us a candidate who CAN'T WIN in November. The Bubbas, the factory workers and the truck stop waitresses aren't going to vote for Obama. The left seems to think that they can shame these people (you're racists!) into voting for him. You can't. I want a democratic candidate who can win. Trying to educate and enlighten some blue-collar joe six-pack in a swing state somewhere ain't gonna work. The blatant sexism of it also sickens me. The "sweetie" remark to the female reporter; the "likeable enough" remark; and that stupid hip-hop brush-off thing Obama did. I'm disguested. Biden is a hotheaded windbag whose off-the-cuff remarks and lack of message discipline (and he's no Bill Clinton who can get away with that) will be the death of their candidacy. I can't pull the lever for McCain so maybe I'll sit this one out. |
Anonymous
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I voted for Obama once I knew McCain was the Republican nominee because I didn't think Clinton could win against McCain. (Romney or Huckabee, maybe, but not McCain) I know it's not fair but there are people out there who just white-hot hate her - even more than they hate her husband. That's why I'm glad Obama didn't pick her as the vp candidate. She's certainly qualified to be president but she should have waited a few more years to distance herself from those years in the White House. Right now, her negatives are bigger than Obama's.
Will Obama beat McCain? Who knows? I think that as much as conservative Republicans dislike McCain, they still ended up with the candidate most likely to win the White House for them. |
Anonymous
I'm with you. There are quite a few of us who feel a bit disenfranchised and I really can't apologize for that. I have no intention of voting for McCain and no intention of voting for Obama. This is a no win for me. |
Anonymous
I suspect Obama just lost the general election with this pick. |
Rich
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Forgive me for saying it, and I don't mean to be disrespectful, but you two sound like the kid who says "If I can't be captain, I'm taking my ball and going home!" I admit that it was a struggle for me not to swear that I would never vote for HRC after the stuff her campaign pulled against Obama. I did not even start out as a big supporter of his, but I leaned that way, and the campaign pushed me further. I think it's just human nature to exaggerate the sins of the opposition. My theory is that tribalism is one of the most harmful of human instincts, whether it is literally between tribes, between families, between sects, between religions, or between countries. Tribalism between supporters of two candidates who stand for the same policies seems particularly weird. |
Anonymous
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Here's what I don't get: Four years ago, Kerry was forced into picking Edwards b/c of his popularity within the party and how well he did. Kerry could not turn Edwards down for VP. Now it appears Romney as the also-ran will be McCain's running mate for the very same reason. Yet Hillary would have gotten more votes had all the votes been fairly counted, but she's been pushed aside. Edwards earned his VP spot, but somehow HRC is cast aside. He can cast aside half of the democratic base?! We don't matter?? Explain that one somebody, please.
And if you think that's taking my football and going home, so be it. If I wanted steak and I got hamburger? I'm not going to eat it. Obama is a hamburger. And you can stick a fork in that hamburger come November. |