Teachers not returning. MCPS to hire “Monitors” instead

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is insane.

Not ONCE has the board indicated that all teachers would stay home and only monitors be sent into the classroom.

Not ONCE has the teacher’s union explicitly communicated such a demand directly to the board.

Not ONCE has the board suggested any teacher would teach from home other than those who are given an ADA exemption.

There’s so much outrage here over something that’s completely untrue. The only “optics” here are the ones the OP created with the outright lie.

It’s the DCUM way!

More like the truth hurts and is damaging to the Union brand. Since you can’t answer any of the hard questions posed here, you resort to minimizing and deflecting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is insane.

Not ONCE has the board indicated that all teachers would stay home and only monitors be sent into the classroom.

Not ONCE has the teacher’s union explicitly communicated such a demand directly to the board.

Not ONCE has the board suggested any teacher would teach from home other than those who are given an ADA exemption.

There’s so much outrage here over something that’s completely untrue. The only “optics” here are the ones the OP created with the outright lie.

This!! OP, stop creating hysteria where there is none.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is insane.

Not ONCE has the board indicated that all teachers would stay home and only monitors be sent into the classroom.

Not ONCE has the teacher’s union explicitly communicated such a demand directly to the board.

Not ONCE has the board suggested any teacher would teach from home other than those who are given an ADA exemption.

There’s so much outrage here over something that’s completely untrue. The only “optics” here are the ones the OP created with the outright lie.

It’s the DCUM way!

More like the truth hurts and is damaging to the Union brand. Since you can’t answer any of the hard questions posed here, you resort to minimizing and deflecting

Honestly, I do think teachers are vastly underestimating the impacts this has on the perception of them. I never engaged in the hero worship but would almost always give them the benefit of the doubt when they had a gripe.

Now, I'm going to be much more skeptical of anything they say

[Anonymous]

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I don't disagree with you, but the BOE could clear things up by saying what you just said, instead of saying nothing. Their (continued) silence, coupled with all these job postings, and the fact that many parents are understandably unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt, are driving the posts you consider "insane."

Parents have a right to wonder about the role of monitors, who sound like they will have little to no classroom experience, let alone time for a background check. It's also not unreasonable, at this point, to suspect that the BOE doesn't have our kids' best interests in mind.

Communication is important, but I think that both BoE and MCPS have more important tasks than monitoring rumors and correcting misinformation on an anonymous internet message board. That goes for MCEA, too.

It's easy to forget, but the fact is that DCUM is not real life.

Wrong. Real life isn’t full of the privilege with which MCEA, the BOE and been conducting themselves at the expense of struggling families and students across the county. Your use of “MCEA” just gave you away as a stooge. Only stooges use MCEA instead of Union. Most parents don’t know our teachers Union is the MCEA.

Nice shot at damage control. And yes, this message board does matter. Members of the media monitor it for story ideas and news content. In a way, DCUM is very useful. I am not wasting my time by being here to point out the obvious discrepancies and hypocrisies of MCEA, BOE and MCPS. This is for members of the media to dig deeper on.

DP. You are making the average parent sound like a right-wing ignoramus triggered by the word “Union”.

Not what I was saying at all. My point is that most parents in this forum or across the county do not know that MCEA is the Union so they use the word Union instead. And even the most die hard liberals in this county are sick of the teachers Union. I am in a friend groups of very far left leaning parents. Most are disgusted with the Union and like me were once huge Union supporters. I voted for every Union endorsed candidate in the past to support my teacher friends. Covid is the great unveiling that the Union does not give a rats $($ about children, they are out for themselves.

Never again supporting an Apple Ballot candidate. The divide is clear. And this stunt with using underpaid undereducated monitors without healthcare as stand ins for teachers no matter the semantics is the icing on the cake. Stooping about as low as it gets.

I don’t believe you that your friend group of far left leaning parents is now anti-teachers’ union. People who are pro-union understand that weakening one union threatens them all. In many countries, the far right has targeted teachers’ unions first in their campaign to bust unions nationally and eliminate collective bargaining for all workers. You are unwilling to support the right of teachers to have a safe working environment on the grounds that other workers have not had safe working environments for a year? Yeah, that is NOT a left wing perspective on the problem. You are a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Just because you *personally* don’t believe it, doesn’t make it any less true. Because it is true. People, even the far left, value their children over teachers rap when they are the reason for their kids not being in a proper classroom. They see what the Union has done to their kids and their kids classmates. They see the depression, the learning loss, the loss of opportunities, loss of socialization. The teachers Union has taken a major hit in image and it will take years to recover. Teachers overplayed their hand and it is going to bite them hard moving forward. They have behaved like spoiled elites and parents have long memories. Kids in kindergarten will have to graduate from high school before this debacle is forgotten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't disagree with you, but the BOE could clear things up by saying what you just said, instead of saying nothing. Their (continued) silence, coupled with all these job postings, and the fact that many parents are understandably unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt, are driving the posts you consider "insane."

Parents have a right to wonder about the role of monitors, who sound like they will have little to no classroom experience, let alone time for a background check. It's also not unreasonable, at this point, to suspect that the BOE doesn't have our kids' best interests in mind.

Communication is important, but I think that both BoE and MCPS have more important tasks than monitoring rumors and correcting misinformation on an anonymous internet message board. That goes for MCEA, too.

It's easy to forget, but the fact is that DCUM is not real life.

Wrong. Real life isn’t full of the privilege with which MCEA, the BOE and been conducting themselves at the expense of struggling families and students across the county. Your use of “MCEA” just gave you away as a stooge. Only stooges use MCEA instead of Union. Most parents don’t know our teachers Union is the MCEA.

Nice shot at damage control. And yes, this message board does matter. Members of the media monitor it for story ideas and news content. In a way, DCUM is very useful. I am not wasting my time by being here to point out the obvious discrepancies and hypocrisies of MCEA, BOE and MCPS. This is for members of the media to dig deeper on.

DP. You are making the average parent sound like a right-wing ignoramus triggered by the word “Union”.

Not what I was saying at all. My point is that most parents in this forum or across the county do not know that MCEA is the Union so they use the word Union instead. And even the most die hard liberals in this county are sick of the teachers Union. I am in a friend groups of very far left leaning parents. Most are disgusted with the Union and like me were once huge Union supporters. I voted for every Union endorsed candidate in the past to support my teacher friends. Covid is the great unveiling that the Union does not give a rats $($ about children, they are out for themselves.

Never again supporting an Apple Ballot candidate. The divide is clear. And this stunt with using underpaid undereducated monitors without healthcare as stand ins for teachers no matter the semantics is the icing on the cake. Stooping about as low as it gets.

I don’t believe you that your friend group of far left leaning parents is now anti-teachers’ union. People who are pro-union understand that weakening one union threatens them all. In many countries, the far right has targeted teachers’ unions first in their campaign to bust unions nationally and eliminate collective bargaining for all workers. You are unwilling to support the right of teachers to have a safe working environment on the grounds that other workers have not had safe working environments for a year? Yeah, that is NOT a left wing perspective on the problem. You are a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Just because you *personally* don’t believe it, doesn’t make it any less true. Because it is true. People, even the far left, value their children over teachers rap when they are the reason for their kids not being in a proper classroom. They see what the Union has done to their kids and their kids classmates. They see the depression, the learning loss, the loss of opportunities, loss of socialization. The teachers Union has taken a major hit in image and it will take years to recover. Teachers overplayed their hand and it is going to bite them hard moving forward. They have behaved like spoiled elites and parents have long memories. Kids in kindergarten will have to graduate from high school before this debacle is forgotten.

This is true. I'm still a believer in public education, and my whole life I've been against school choice/vouchers. I have completely changed my mind about that. To see what little recourse parents have when the school system simply stops trying was appalling. The power is out of balance, and the constituents need more control to get it back into balance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is insane.

Not ONCE has the board indicated that all teachers would stay home and only monitors be sent into the classroom.

Not ONCE has the teacher’s union explicitly communicated such a demand directly to the board.

Not ONCE has the board suggested any teacher would teach from home other than those who are given an ADA exemption.

There’s so much outrage here over something that’s completely untrue. The only “optics” here are the ones the OP created with the outright lie.

It’s the DCUM way!

More like the truth hurts and is damaging to the Union brand. Since you can’t answer any of the hard questions posed here, you resort to minimizing and deflecting

Who is "you" here? You (the immediate PP) are yelling at an anonymous poster who might be a little old lady in Canarsie, or a dog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
This is true. I'm still a believer in public education, and my whole life I've been against school choice/vouchers. I have completely changed my mind about that. To see what little recourse parents have when the school system simply stops trying was appalling. The power is out of balance, and the constituents need more control to get it back into balance

PP, in a democracy, we usually do that through elections. If you had a voucher for a few thousands dollars to spend on private school tuition, what would that accomplish for you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is true. I'm still a believer in public education, and my whole life I've been against school choice/vouchers. I have completely changed my mind about that. To see what little recourse parents have when the school system simply stops trying was appalling. The power is out of balance, and the constituents need more control to get it back into balance

PP, in a democracy, we usually do that through elections. If you had a voucher for a few thousands dollars to spend on private school tuition, what would that accomplish for you?

It would collective leverage for parents. Lets be real: it is far too easy for MCPS to ignore the needs of parents, or even proactively fight the needs of families. The threat of leaving the system doesnt exist as a credible threat for too many families, which gives them no leverage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is true. I'm still a believer in public education, and my whole life I've been against school choice/vouchers. I have completely changed my mind about that. To see what little recourse parents have when the school system simply stops trying was appalling. The power is out of balance, and the constituents need more control to get it back into balance

PP, in a democracy, we usually do that through elections. If you had a voucher for a few thousands dollars to spend on private school tuition, what would that accomplish for you?

It would collective leverage for parents. Lets be real: it is far too easy for MCPS to ignore the needs of parents, or even proactively fight the needs of families. The threat of leaving the system doesnt exist as a credible threat for too many families, which gives them no leverage.

The LAST thing vouchers would do, is collectivize leverage for parents. Vouchers are the anti-collective solution. They're purposely designed to be the anti-collective solution, in fact. Instead of having one big group of parents with a stake in the public school system, it's each individual family for themselves to try to do the best they can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This is true. I'm still a believer in public education, and my whole life I've been against school choice/vouchers. I have completely changed my mind about that. To see what little recourse parents have when the school system simply stops trying was appalling. The power is out of balance, and the constituents need more control to get it back into balance

PP, in a democracy, we usually do that through elections. If you had a voucher for a few thousands dollars to spend on private school tuition, what would that accomplish for you?

It would collective leverage for parents. Lets be real: it is far too easy for MCPS to ignore the needs of parents, or even proactively fight the needs of families. The threat of leaving the system doesnt exist as a credible threat for too many families, which gives them no leverage.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No school = No paycheck
would fix things mighty quickly!

Yep. Sick of MCPS and the Union. Let’s call them out on their blatantly obvious racism, elitism and hipocrisy. They’ve used children as political pawns in their power struggle long enough. A movement in the county for school choice is warranted. Poor and minority Kids shouldn’t be stuck in schools with teachers who refuse to teach in person for a whole year.

This. Who else gets a full paycheck for
refusing to come in to do their work??

Our children NEED to GO to SCHOOL!!!!!

...With actual teachers, not “monitors”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No school = No paycheck
would fix things mighty quickly!

Yep. Sick of MCPS and the Union. Let’s call them out on their blatantly obvious racism, elitism and hipocrisy. They’ve used children as political pawns in their power struggle long enough. A movement in the county for school choice is warranted. Poor and minority Kids shouldn’t be stuck in schools with teachers who refuse to teach in person for a whole year.

This. Who else gets a full paycheck for
refusing to come in to do their work??

Our children NEED to GO to SCHOOL!!!!!

...With actual teachers, not “monitors”.

No one is buying what you're selling, PP. The teachers are coming back to school. We know that. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has nothing to do with race. The plan is for teachers to go back but they will need help and the class sizes in person have to stay very low so the only way to do that is split up groups. We have 35 students in our MS classes.

Why is your life more important than a teacher or monitors life? That is the real question. You don't care about either. Monitors will be paraprofessionals who are always under paid.

Right. But that’s why some schools are going hybrid— so half the class can come in the AM and the other half in the PM. Or, half can come on M/Tu and the other half on Th/F. No need for monitors.

Wrong. The plan for hybrid only works with monitors. Too many teachers filed ADA exemptions that must be honored.

You are only thinking about Elementary school and not middle/high school where kids have 7 different teachers and take different classes. How do you manage those schedules to make sure every one of the 7 classes (times 1000+ students/schedules) stay within the small cohort? If you can figure out those algorithmns then you should be able to make a mint selling them to schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So to review:
1. MCPS is hiring monitors so they can split kids up into different classrooms to maintain social distancing, with the teacher in one classroom with some of the students and the monitor in the other classroom with the remaining students
2. The monitors are being paid minimum wage and the recruitment seems to be targeting anyone who needs a job, likes being around children, and those reliable
3. Both MCPS teachers and underpaid monitors will be in school buildings except for some teachers that have requested and qualify for ADA accommodations

Fixed it, you left out some important content

No looks like you left out a lot of important and relevant details about his elitist the whole scam is. Have you no shame? How much are you being paid to sit home and run PR? A teacher’s salary at least. Are you doing this on your hour and a half lunch break?

Nope! Not on anyone's payroll today.

What important details did I omit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has nothing to do with race. The plan is for teachers to go back but they will need help and the class sizes in person have to stay very low so the only way to do that is split up groups. We have 35 students in our MS classes.

Why is your life more important than a teacher or monitors life? That is the real question. You don't care about either. Monitors will be paraprofessionals who are always under paid.

Right. But that’s why some schools are going hybrid— so half the class can come in the AM and the other half in the PM. Or, half can come on M/Tu and the other half on Th/F. No need for monitors.

Wrong. The plan for hybrid only works with monitors. Too many teachers filed ADA exemptions that must be honored.

You are only thinking about Elementary school and not middle/high school where kids have 7 different teachers and take different classes. How do you manage those schedules to make sure every one of the 7 classes (times 1000+ students/schedules) stay within the small cohort? If you can figure out those algorithmns then you should be able to make a mint selling them to schools.

PP is wrong re: elementary schools, too. The teachers are coming back. The monitors have nothing to do with ADA exemptions. Fewer kids allowed in a classroom = more rooms needed = more people needed to supervise.