What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Key is two way immersion. That means native English and native Spanish. I think this idea will effectively end one of the immersion schools.

There is plenty of demand from parents who want their kids to learn Spanish. So APS will have no problem filling 2 schools when they are close to the native speakers. Time to get on the Bus.

Time for north arlingtonians to choose immersion. Not to “consider” it. Not to be “tempted by the gift of two languages.” But to actually choose it. Doubt that will happen more often following the whites’ recolonization of Key.

If you put the pieces of Key zone back together by adding kids who transfer to ASFS to the neighborhood kids at Key (using transfer report https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Transfer-Report-2016-17.pdf), this is what it looks like:

Asian 137 17.34%
Black 88 11.14%
Hispanic 220 27.85%
Other 70 8.86%
White 275 34.81%
Total 790

Disadvantaged?
N 473 59.87%
Y 317 40.13%

Are you really saying that isn't a diverse school?

Key is very diverse. ASFS is not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Key is two way immersion. That means native English and native Spanish. I think this idea will effectively end one of the immersion schools.

There is plenty of demand from parents who want their kids to learn Spanish. So APS will have no problem filling 2 schools when they are close to the native speakers. Time to get on the Bus.

Time for north arlingtonians to choose immersion. Not to “consider” it. Not to be “tempted by the gift of two languages.” But to actually choose it. Doubt that will happen more often following the whites’ recolonization of Key.

If you put the pieces of Key zone back together by adding kids who transfer to ASFS to the neighborhood kids at Key (using transfer report https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Transfer-Report-2016-17.pdf), this is what it looks like:

Asian 137 17.34%
Black 88 11.14%
Hispanic 220 27.85%
Other 70 8.86%
White 275 34.81%
Total 790

Disadvantaged?
N 473 59.87%
Y 317 40.13%

Are you really saying that isn't a diverse school?

Key is very diverse. ASFS is not.

So Key will become a neighborhood school, and ASFS will transform into a true neighborhood school. Kind of evens up the ledger, where Key parents could buy into either Key Immersion or ASFS, where as the ASFS true walk zone is bused to inconvenient Taylor. We've enjoyed Taylor, but this type of fix might get things back to normal and we can actually get to know many more of our neighbors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Key is two way immersion. That means native English and native Spanish. I think this idea will effectively end one of the immersion schools.

There is plenty of demand from parents who want their kids to learn Spanish. So APS will have no problem filling 2 schools when they are close to the native speakers. Time to get on the Bus.

Time for north arlingtonians to choose immersion. Not to “consider” it. Not to be “tempted by the gift of two languages.” But to actually choose it. Doubt that will happen more often following the whites’ recolonization of Key.

If you put the pieces of Key zone back together by adding kids who transfer to ASFS to the neighborhood kids at Key (using transfer report https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Transfer-Report-2016-17.pdf), this is what it looks like:

Asian 137 17.34%
Black 88 11.14%
Hispanic 220 27.85%
Other 70 8.86%
White 275 34.81%
Total 790

Disadvantaged?
N 473 59.87%
Y 317 40.13%

Are you really saying that isn't a diverse school?

Key is very diverse. ASFS is not.

New Key will look like old ASFS (diverse). New ASFS will look like Taylor (not).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Key is two way immersion. That means native English and native Spanish. I think this idea will effectively end one of the immersion schools.

There is plenty of demand from parents who want their kids to learn Spanish. So APS will have no problem filling 2 schools when they are close to the native speakers. Time to get on the Bus.

Time for north arlingtonians to choose immersion. Not to “consider” it. Not to be “tempted by the gift of two languages.” But to actually choose it. Doubt that will happen more often following the whites’ recolonization of Key.

If you put the pieces of Key zone back together by adding kids who transfer to ASFS to the neighborhood kids at Key (using transfer report https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Transfer-Report-2016-17.pdf), this is what it looks like:

Asian 137 17.34%
Black 88 11.14%
Hispanic 220 27.85%
Other 70 8.86%
White 275 34.81%
Total 790

Disadvantaged?
N 473 59.87%
Y 317 40.13%

Are you really saying that isn't a diverse school?

Key is very diverse. ASFS is not.

New Key will look like old ASFS (diverse). New ASFS will look like Taylor (not).

I think this is correct. However, if ASFS pulls in some of that weird Ashlawn boundary that goes all the way to Ballston, or even a tiny corner of the Barrett boundary that is cut off from the walk zone, maybe it does not become totally non-diverse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where will Key immersion be moved to?

Either Carlin Springs, ATS, or Barcroft.

Makes no sense. They are taking something that is working very well and have decided to ruin it. Who hates immersion so much?

No one. Have you read the analysis or are you simply getting upset? They are advocating that immersion schools should be closer to dense populations of native Spanish speakers. Changes in residential patterns means that you have more pockets of native Spanish elsewhere than in the current Key area, and by moving immersion schools closer you might get more native Spanish participation than if you put it somewhere further from them.

Seems more like rich white people shoving off immersion to s Arlington. Key is in n Arlibgton now and has a good balance. And it was a partial neighborhood school. So that dog won’t hunt.

No, there aren't enough Spanish speakers living near Key. They have to bus them in now. So now it's the rich white people's turn to get on a bus. Key will still be a more economically diverse school, though, just because there are some CAFs in the R-B corridor. ASFS could be pretty diverse, too. But the families currently there will mostly get rezoned to Key.

Not all of the white families at Key are rich, you clueless fake lefty hypocrite.

So what you're saying is that there is a substantial/statistically significant number of disadvantaged white children at Key who would like to continue Immersion and would face hardship by being bused to another location? Is it a higher number than the number of economically disadvantaged Spanish speakers who would have to take a bus into Key in order to maintain the 50/50 split? If yes, show me the receipts.

So what you’re saying is you want immersion out of North Arlington?

Yes, Field Day is coming early for the faux lefty hypocrites today. They get to rejoice in winning more lilly white school and, at the same time, engage in moral superiority over poor brown kids who their own kids will never have to come into contact with. That’s like freaking nirvana to them.

Oh, please. You just don't want the school to move. There is no way any school at this site is "lily white."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where will Key immersion be moved to?

Either Carlin Springs, ATS, or Barcroft.

Makes no sense. They are taking something that is working very well and have decided to ruin it. Who hates immersion so much?

No one. Have you read the analysis or are you simply getting upset? They are advocating that immersion schools should be closer to dense populations of native Spanish speakers. Changes in residential patterns means that you have more pockets of native Spanish elsewhere than in the current Key area, and by moving immersion schools closer you might get more native Spanish participation than if you put it somewhere further from them.

Seems more like rich white people shoving off immersion to s Arlington. Key is in n Arlibgton now and has a good balance. And it was a partial neighborhood school. So that dog won’t hunt.

No, there aren't enough Spanish speakers living near Key. They have to bus them in now. So now it's the rich white people's turn to get on a bus. Key will still be a more economically diverse school, though, just because there are some CAFs in the R-B corridor. ASFS could be pretty diverse, too. But the families currently there will mostly get rezoned to Key.

Not all of the white families at Key are rich, you clueless fake lefty hypocrite.

So what you're saying is that there is a substantial/statistically significant number of disadvantaged white children at Key who would like to continue Immersion and would face hardship by being bused to another location? Is it a higher number than the number of economically disadvantaged Spanish speakers who would have to take a bus into Key in order to maintain the 50/50 split? If yes, show me the receipts.

So what you’re saying is you want immersion out of North Arlington?

Yes, Field Day is coming early for the faux lefty hypocrites today. They get to rejoice in winning more lilly white school and, at the same time, engage in moral superiority over poor brown kids who their own kids will never have to come into contact with. That’s like freaking nirvana to them.

Oh, please. You just don't want the school to move. There is no way any school at this site is "lily white."

I’m confused. I thought another poster is telling us that there aren’t enough Spanish speakers in the Key zone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Key is two way immersion. That means native English and native Spanish. I think this idea will effectively end one of the immersion schools.

There is plenty of demand from parents who want their kids to learn Spanish. So APS will have no problem filling 2 schools when they are close to the native speakers. Time to get on the Bus.

Time for north arlingtonians to choose immersion. Not to “consider” it. Not to be “tempted by the gift of two languages.” But to actually choose it. Doubt that will happen more often following the whites’ recolonization of Key.

If you put the pieces of Key zone back together by adding kids who transfer to ASFS to the neighborhood kids at Key (using transfer report https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Transfer-Report-2016-17.pdf), this is what it looks like:

Asian 137 17.34%
Black 88 11.14%
Hispanic 220 27.85%
Other 70 8.86%
White 275 34.81%
Total 790

Disadvantaged?
N 473 59.87%
Y 317 40.13%

Are you really saying that isn't a diverse school?

Key is very diverse. ASFS is not.

New Key will look like old ASFS (diverse). New ASFS will look like Taylor (not).

Old ASFS is over 70 percent white and Asian with barely any Latinos.

[Anonymous]

The “why” part of this question—why the need for the move—has never been adequately answered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The “why” part of this question—why the need for the move—has never been adequately answered.

Read one of the 10 other threads. You are being willfully obtuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Key is two way immersion. That means native English and native Spanish. I think this idea will effectively end one of the immersion schools.

There is plenty of demand from parents who want their kids to learn Spanish. So APS will have no problem filling 2 schools when they are close to the native speakers. Time to get on the Bus.

Time for north arlingtonians to choose immersion. Not to “consider” it. Not to be “tempted by the gift of two languages.” But to actually choose it. Doubt that will happen more often following the whites’ recolonization of Key.

If you put the pieces of Key zone back together by adding kids who transfer to ASFS to the neighborhood kids at Key (using transfer report https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Transfer-Report-2016-17.pdf), this is what it looks like:

Asian 137 17.34%
Black 88 11.14%
Hispanic 220 27.85%
Other 70 8.86%
White 275 34.81%
Total 790

Disadvantaged?
N 473 59.87%
Y 317 40.13%

Are you really saying that isn't a diverse school?

Key is very diverse. ASFS is not.

New Key will look like old ASFS (diverse). New ASFS will look like Taylor (not).

Old ASFS is over 70 percent white and Asian with barely any Latinos.

I don't have the numbers, but if you are speaking racial diversity, it is very diverse - if your 70% number is correct, then half those kids are Asian, so it is only 35% white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where will Key immersion be moved to?

Either Carlin Springs, ATS, or Barcroft.

Makes no sense. They are taking something that is working very well and have decided to ruin it. Who hates immersion so much?

No one. Have you read the analysis or are you simply getting upset? They are advocating that immersion schools should be closer to dense populations of native Spanish speakers. Changes in residential patterns means that you have more pockets of native Spanish elsewhere than in the current Key area, and by moving immersion schools closer you might get more native Spanish participation than if you put it somewhere further from them.

Seems more like rich white people shoving off immersion to s Arlington. Key is in n Arlibgton now and has a good balance. And it was a partial neighborhood school. So that dog won’t hunt.

No, there aren't enough Spanish speakers living near Key. They have to bus them in now. So now it's the rich white people's turn to get on a bus. Key will still be a more economically diverse school, though, just because there are some CAFs in the R-B corridor. ASFS could be pretty diverse, too. But the families currently there will mostly get rezoned to Key.

Not all of the white families at Key are rich, you clueless fake lefty hypocrite.

So what you're saying is that there is a substantial/statistically significant number of disadvantaged white children at Key who would like to continue Immersion and would face hardship by being bused to another location? Is it a higher number than the number of economically disadvantaged Spanish speakers who would have to take a bus into Key in order to maintain the 50/50 split? If yes, show me the receipts.

So what you’re saying is you want immersion out of North Arlington?

Yes, Field Day is coming early for the faux lefty hypocrites today. They get to rejoice in winning more lilly white school and, at the same time, engage in moral superiority over poor brown kids who their own kids will never have to come into contact with. That’s like freaking nirvana to them.

Oh, please. You just don't want the school to move. There is no way any school at this site is "lily white."

I’m confused. I thought another poster is telling us that there aren’t enough Spanish speakers in the Key zone.

So the only people in Arlington are white or speak Spanish?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where will Key immersion be moved to?

Either Carlin Springs, ATS, or Barcroft.

Makes no sense. They are taking something that is working very well and have decided to ruin it. Who hates immersion so much?

No one. Have you read the analysis or are you simply getting upset? They are advocating that immersion schools should be closer to dense populations of native Spanish speakers. Changes in residential patterns means that you have more pockets of native Spanish elsewhere than in the current Key area, and by moving immersion schools closer you might get more native Spanish participation than if you put it somewhere further from them.

Seems more like rich white people shoving off immersion to s Arlington. Key is in n Arlibgton now and has a good balance. And it was a partial neighborhood school. So that dog won’t hunt.

No, there aren't enough Spanish speakers living near Key. They have to bus them in now. So now it's the rich white people's turn to get on a bus. Key will still be a more economically diverse school, though, just because there are some CAFs in the R-B corridor. ASFS could be pretty diverse, too. But the families currently there will mostly get rezoned to Key.

Not all of the white families at Key are rich, you clueless fake lefty hypocrite.

So what you're saying is that there is a substantial/statistically significant number of disadvantaged white children at Key who would like to continue Immersion and would face hardship by being bused to another location? Is it a higher number than the number of economically disadvantaged Spanish speakers who would have to take a bus into Key in order to maintain the 50/50 split? If yes, show me the receipts.

So what you’re saying is you want immersion out of North Arlington?

Yes, Field Day is coming early for the faux lefty hypocrites today. They get to rejoice in winning more lilly white school and, at the same time, engage in moral superiority over poor brown kids who their own kids will never have to come into contact with. That’s like freaking nirvana to them.

Oh, please. You just don't want the school to move. There is no way any school at this site is "lily white."

I’m confused. I thought another poster is telling us that there aren’t enough Spanish speakers in the Key zone.

So the only people in Arlington are white or speak Spanish?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Uh . . . how would you feel if they moved 3 option schools to the NW. Might that tax your neighborhood schools? Please have some perspective beyond your little bubble. And I live in the same area.

What is with all the assumptions here PP. Maybe you are talking to someone else. I live in North Arlington. Plus my child will be in MS by the time this happens so I have no skin in the game.

My point was having 4 options in the south is not a great scenario for either north or south. It will be difficult for many families in the north to access the school and if they do it will overtax the school in the south.
The SB's statement seems to imply they want to option schools to be primarily for students in South Arlington b/c if North Arlington families use them it could cause a problem. This seems to go against equal access, as would moving 4 to the north.

Equity does not mean equal. Making access to the programs equitable means making them MORE accessible to populations that struggle with transportation, engagement, understanding the American school system, etc. And if that means making them less accessible to families who can afford to live anywhere in the county, then so be it.

Also, there is nothing they can do about economically segregated housing patterns, and I suppose they realize how much MORE segregated our housing is about to become. Thank heavens they acknowledge that the outcomes for students ARE affected by economic segregation, especially during the early years. If they can induce the MC and UMC families who live in South Arlington, and maybe some in North Arlington, too, to VOLUNTARILY integrate economically segregated schools, it's a party all around. Nobody is forced to bus across the county, and more people will feel like their children, regardless of where they can afford to live within Arlington, have access to the same opportunities. I'm honestly ready to cry I am so proud of staff! I didn't think they would ever be so bold.

I don't know that I agree that Nottingham makes sense as the option school, but I absolutely believe that the majority of option programs, if we're going to have them, need to be located as close to economically disadvantaged populations as possible. And I hope that ATS, through maintaining VPI classrooms, and community outreach, is able to maintain their current level of diversity wherever they are located.

And no, schools in South Arlington will not be "overtaxed." It might be more, if they make Claremont neighborhood seats again.

ASFS to Barcroft then, as an option school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh . . . how would you feel if they moved 3 option schools to the NW. Might that tax your neighborhood schools? Please have some perspective beyond your little bubble. And I live in the same area.

What is with all the assumptions here PP. Maybe you are talking to someone else. I live in North Arlington. Plus my child will be in MS by the time this happens so I have no skin in the game.

My point was having 4 options in the south is not a great scenario for either north or south. It will be difficult for many families in the north to access the school and if they do it will overtax the school in the south.
The SB's statement seems to imply they want to option schools to be primarily for students in South Arlington b/c if North Arlington families use them it could cause a problem. This seems to go against equal access, as would moving 4 to the north.

Equity does not mean equal. Making access to the programs equitable means making them MORE accessible to populations that struggle with transportation, engagement, understanding the American school system, etc. And if that means making them less accessible to families who can afford to live anywhere in the county, then so be it.

Also, there is nothing they can do about economically segregated housing patterns, and I suppose they realize how much MORE segregated our housing is about to become. Thank heavens they acknowledge that the outcomes for students ARE affected by economic segregation, especially during the early years. If they can induce the MC and UMC families who live in South Arlington, and maybe some in North Arlington, too, to VOLUNTARILY integrate economically segregated schools, it's a party all around. Nobody is forced to bus across the county, and more people will feel like their children, regardless of where they can afford to live within Arlington, have access to the same opportunities. I'm honestly ready to cry I am so proud of staff! I didn't think they would ever be so bold.

I don't know that I agree that Nottingham makes sense as the option school, but I absolutely believe that the majority of option programs, if we're going to have them, need to be located as close to economically disadvantaged populations as possible. And I hope that ATS, through maintaining VPI classrooms, and community outreach, is able to maintain their current level of diversity wherever they are located.

And no, schools in South Arlington will not be "overtaxed." It might be more, if they make Claremont neighborhood seats again.

ASFS to Barcroft then, as an option school?

DP. WTF are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Key is two way immersion. That means native English and native Spanish. I think this idea will effectively end one of the immersion schools.

There is plenty of demand from parents who want their kids to learn Spanish. So APS will have no problem filling 2 schools when they are close to the native speakers. Time to get on the Bus.

Time for north arlingtonians to choose immersion. Not to “consider” it. Not to be “tempted by the gift of two languages.” But to actually choose it. Doubt that will happen more often following the whites’ recolonization of Key.

If you put the pieces of Key zone back together by adding kids who transfer to ASFS to the neighborhood kids at Key (using transfer report https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Transfer-Report-2016-17.pdf), this is what it looks like:

Asian 137 17.34%
Black 88 11.14%
Hispanic 220 27.85%
Other 70 8.86%
White 275 34.81%
Total 790

Disadvantaged?
N 473 59.87%
Y 317 40.13%

Are you really saying that isn't a diverse school?

Key is very diverse. ASFS is not.

New Key will look like old ASFS (diverse). New ASFS will look like Taylor (not).

Old ASFS is over 70 percent white and Asian with barely any Latinos.

I don't have the numbers, but if you are speaking racial diversity, it is very diverse - if your 70% number is correct, then half those kids are Asian, so it is only 35% white.

My numbers show 52 percent white and 22 percent Asian. Very few Latinos. About 10 percent African American.