Yu Ying - Do/Can Non-Native Kids Actually SPEAK Chinese?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any strong HS student who studies Chinese for a few years can score a 4 or 5 on AP Chinese. More than 80% of AP Chinese test takers earn 5s, the greatest percentage of any AP test. Really no need to bother with 50% Chinese immersion in ES and partial immersion in MS to get there.

Communicating in polite tones in English just isn't the strong suit of East Asian immigrants to this country. The great majority missed the Civil Rights Movement and don't understand institutionalized racism. They have many redeeming features though, particularly pragmatism, a strong work ethnic, and high levels of educational attainment as families, no matter where they start on the socioeconomic ladder.

If you're an unrepentant racist, you have NO redeeming features.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the YY kids get 4s or 5s on AP Chinese - that would be a success - and every post by native speakers reveals a pronounced racism that they should try and work through rather than spill their bile continually on this board. The majority of children in DC are black and Hispanic. There are more Vietnamese families in DC than Chinese. Any given PCS or DCPS by definition is supposed to be serving the majority of the kids in DC.

No, any given DCPS is by definition supposed to primarily serve the students residing in its catchment area (explaining why a dozen DCPS elementary schools support FARMs rates in the single digits).

Public immersion schools aren't serving DC students well if most of their students' language skills are laughable after 5, 10 even 15 years of intensive study. As a city, we can function in the realm of avoiding hurt feelings at all costs, or strive to run world-class schools, not both.

PS. Most DC Vietnamese are "Hoa," Cantonese speakers in the older generation. They very seldom choose YY but pick up Mandarin easily because they already speak at least two tonal languages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any strong HS student who studies Chinese for a few years can score a 4 or 5 on AP Chinese. More than 80% of AP Chinese test takers earn 5s, the greatest percentage of any AP test. Really no need to bother with 50% Chinese immersion in ES and partial immersion in MS to get there.

Communicating in polite tones in English just isn't the strong suit of East Asian immigrants to this country. The great majority missed the Civil Rights Movement and don't understand institutionalized racism. They have many redeeming features though, particularly pragmatism, a strong work ethnic, and high levels of educational attainment as families, no matter where they start on the socioeconomic ladder.

If you're an unrepentant racist, you have NO redeeming features.

I concur, no redeeming features. So why put your kids in a 50% immersion language program to learn the language of hordes of racist bastards?

There's a cultural disconnect issue at play that can be studied, deconstructed and understood. Or you can leave things at calling calling Chinese immigrants unrepentant racists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any strong HS student who studies Chinese for a few years can score a 4 or 5 on AP Chinese. More than 80% of AP Chinese test takers earn 5s, the greatest percentage of any AP test. Really no need to bother with 50% Chinese immersion in ES and partial immersion in MS to get there.

Communicating in polite tones in English just isn't the strong suit of East Asian immigrants to this country. The great majority missed the Civil Rights Movement and don't understand institutionalized racism. They have many redeeming features though, particularly pragmatism, a strong work ethnic, and high levels of educational attainment as families, no matter where they start on the socioeconomic ladder.

If you're an unrepentant racist, you have NO redeeming features.

I concur, no redeeming features. So why put your kids in a 50% immersion language program to learn the language of hordes of racist bastards?

There's a cultural disconnect issue at play that can be studied, deconstructed and understood. Or you can leave things at calling calling Chinese immigrants unrepentant racists.

Some of us commenting are not YY parents, just observing with varying degrees of humor/disbelief.

[Anonymous]

If I needed an ethnic group's help to ensure that my kids could really speak a language they were studying in an immersion program, I'd keep my disgust and disbelief over their crappy cultural practices to myself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I needed an ethnic group's help to ensure that my kids could really speak a language they were studying in an immersion program, I'd keep my disgust and disbelief over their crappy cultural practices to myself.

Isn't that why we have DCUM? The "super polite" Chinese natives sure aren't shy about venting their disgust and disbelief here either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any strong HS student who studies Chinese for a few years can score a 4 or 5 on AP Chinese. More than 80% of AP Chinese test takers earn 5s, the greatest percentage of any AP test. Really no need to bother with 50% Chinese immersion in ES and partial immersion in MS to get there.

Communicating in polite tones in English just isn't the strong suit of East Asian immigrants to this country. The great majority missed the Civil Rights Movement and don't understand institutionalized racism. They have many redeeming features though, particularly pragmatism, a strong work ethnic, and high levels of educational attainment as families, no matter where they start on the socioeconomic ladder.

If you're an unrepentant racist, you have NO redeeming features.

I concur, no redeeming features. So why put your kids in a 50% immersion language program to learn the language of hordes of racist bastards?

There's a cultural disconnect issue at play that can be studied, deconstructed and understood. Or you can leave things at calling calling Chinese immigrants unrepentant racists.

My children attend Oyster (thank God!). I read all language immersion threads, and felt compelled to comment on this post. Current YY parents: you have really dodged a bullet by keeping families like the PP out. I would take so-so Mandarin any day over sharing space with such distasteful people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I needed an ethnic group's help to ensure that my kids could really speak a language they were studying in an immersion program, I'd keep my disgust and disbelief over their crappy cultural practices to myself.

This. Grow up folks. Best to deal with the reality that the ABCs and Mainland Chinese are the way they are culturally. Their star is rising while America's no longer seems to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any strong HS student who studies Chinese for a few years can score a 4 or 5 on AP Chinese. More than 80% of AP Chinese test takers earn 5s, the greatest percentage of any AP test. Really no need to bother with 50% Chinese immersion in ES and partial immersion in MS to get there.

Communicating in polite tones in English just isn't the strong suit of East Asian immigrants to this country. The great majority missed the Civil Rights Movement and don't understand institutionalized racism. They have many redeeming features though, particularly pragmatism, a strong work ethnic, and high levels of educational attainment as families, no matter where they start on the socioeconomic ladder.

If you're an unrepentant racist, you have NO redeeming features.

I concur, no redeeming features. So why put your kids in a 50% immersion language program to learn the language of hordes of racist bastards?

There's a cultural disconnect issue at play that can be studied, deconstructed and understood. Or you can leave things at calling calling Chinese immigrants unrepentant racists.

My children attend Oyster (thank God!). I read all language immersion threads, and felt compelled to comment on this post. Current YY parents: you have really dodged a bullet by keeping families like the PP out. I would take so-so Mandarin any day over sharing space with such distasteful people.

Disagree. At least the posts sound honest. The distasteful people are the charter administrators who peddle 1-way "immersion" BS to families that don't know any better. You guys at Oyster have it made so don't so quick to judge, hon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I needed an ethnic group's help to ensure that my kids could really speak a language they were studying in an immersion program, I'd keep my disgust and disbelief over their crappy cultural practices to myself.

This. Grow up folks. Best to deal with the reality that the ABCs and Mainland Chinese are the way they are culturally. Their star is rising while America's no longer seems to be.

"the way they are culturally." LMFAO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I needed an ethnic group's help to ensure that my kids could really speak a language they were studying in an immersion program, I'd keep my disgust and disbelief over their crappy cultural practices to myself.

This. Grow up folks. Best to deal with the reality that the ABCs and Mainland Chinese are the way they are culturally. Their star is rising while America's no longer seems to be.

Wow, what does this mean? Can you further explain what you're trying to say here?

[Anonymous]

A Chinese American passing by.

I sensed strong racism towards Chinese in this thread. Just because Chinese American families want decent Mandarin Chinese education and decent education in general for their kids doesn't make them racism towards other ethnic groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A Chinese American passing by.

I sensed strong racism towards Chinese in this thread. Just because Chinese American families want decent Mandarin Chinese education and decent education in general for their kids doesn't make them racism towards other ethnic groups.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting a good Chinese education. The last page or so took an unfortunate a turn, I think, in response to some PPs pointing out that earlier posts seemed to denigrate non-Chinese students and their families at YY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any strong HS student who studies Chinese for a few years can score a 4 or 5 on AP Chinese. More than 80% of AP Chinese test takers earn 5s, the greatest percentage of any AP test. Really no need to bother with 50% Chinese immersion in ES and partial immersion in MS to get there.

Communicating in polite tones in English just isn't the strong suit of East Asian immigrants to this country. The great majority missed the Civil Rights Movement and don't understand institutionalized racism. They have many redeeming features though, particularly pragmatism, a strong work ethnic, and high levels of educational attainment as families, no matter where they start on the socioeconomic ladder.

If you're an unrepentant racist, you have NO redeeming features.

I concur, no redeeming features. So why put your kids in a 50% immersion language program to learn the language of hordes of racist bastards?

There's a cultural disconnect issue at play that can be studied, deconstructed and understood. Or you can leave things at calling calling Chinese immigrants unrepentant racists.

My children attend Oyster (thank God!). I read all language immersion threads, and felt compelled to comment on this post. Current YY parents: you have really dodged a bullet by keeping families like the PP out. I would take so-so Mandarin any day over sharing space with such distasteful people.

Disagree. At least the posts sound honest. The distasteful people are the charter administrators who peddle 1-way "immersion" BS to families that don't know any better. You guys at Oyster have it made so don't so quick to judge, hon.

NP here. I disagree that some of the prior posts sound honest. It actually sounds like some of the consistent YY bashers take issue with the fact that non-Chinese students are even attempting to learn their language since they will never be close to fluent like children of Chinese-speaking parents. It's one thing to criticize the school but quite another to take aim at the families themselves as though they are unwelcome.

[Anonymous]

Agree wholeheartedly. Not Chinese but I'm concerned about PC notions of love, harmony, equality etc. trumping actual learning a lot in public schools these days, at our economic peril. China's a rising superpower in large part because their national, provincial and city governments, while not democratically elected, are fundamentally practical.

Our city ed leaders can't handle making tough ed policy decisions. 2-way immersion works best but the city doesn't bother with it for any language but Spanish. The charter immersion programs could have been DCPS or charter-DCPS hybrids with dual lotteries, like Oyster, but DC public generally can't be bothered to do things right. Bilingual American Born Chinese are seen as a threat on these boards by the jealous, pure and simple.