SWS moving to Prospect LC building?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You would need to close 2 or 3 Hill DCPS elementary schools to get where you want to go - not just LT but Payne and/or Miner!!

Everybody's just dreamin' on this thread. Until the Mayor goes, the Chancellor goes, and Wells goes, the LT District parents have as much chance as feeding into SWS as into Janney. And none of us has any chance of feeding into a stellar middle school program. Plan accordingly because time and demographics won't fix these problems.

underenrolled? you're mistaken -- the schools are enrolled, but some with significant out of bound populations -- notice only only 1 Ward 6 school hit by closures and it's a special needs school. The % of oob students is a worthless stat tossed around freely by skeptics. Some of the OOB are students with proximity fwiw. Look at the IB by GRADE and you'll see the % pretty low for EC and early ES and increases with grade level. The better Hill schools are retaining these students until they jump ship for MS.

There is absolutely no problem with enrolling Hill families -- it's retaining them where DCPS fails

So you want to close schools that are not under-enrolled, because you don't want the poor black children in your schools, and that's the method you'd like to use to do it - by kicking them out of schools that are not under-enrolled. "No poor black children here! Welcome wealthy (white families) to our all-wealthy schools. We have cleansed them, and you can feel safe here now!"

My God - the cartoonists are going to have a field day with you. Picture the buses of little black children being sent back whence they came. Oh yes they will! And on the next page, someone will draw four little black girls in white dresses, trying to enter a Hill school, with firehouses in the background and someone planting a bomb. Drawings of men in white hoods, storming past the Emancipation Memorial in Lincoln Park.

Expressing support for such a plan will crucify any candidate or public employee who took it seriously, and deservedly so.

If you want to alter the balance of your schools, you're going to have to do it by attracting higher SES people in, not by kicking other, lower SES people out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You would need to close 2 or 3 Hill DCPS elementary schools to get where you want to go - not just LT but Payne and/or Miner!!

Everybody's just dreamin' on this thread. Until the Mayor goes, the Chancellor goes, and Wells goes, the LT District parents have as much chance as feeding into SWS as into Janney. And none of us has any chance of feeding into a stellar middle school program. Plan accordingly because time and demographics won't fix these problems.

underenrolled? you're mistaken -- the schools are enrolled, but some with significant out of bound populations -- notice only only 1 Ward 6 school hit by closures and it's a special needs school. The % of oob students is a worthless stat tossed around freely by skeptics. Some of the OOB are students with proximity fwiw. Look at the IB by GRADE and you'll see the % pretty low for EC and early ES and increases with grade level. The better Hill schools are retaining these students until they jump ship for MS.

There is absolutely no problem with enrolling Hill families -- it's retaining them where DCPS fails

So you want to close schools that are not under-enrolled, because you don't want the poor black children in your schools, and that's the method you'd like to use to do it - by kicking them out of schools that are not under-enrolled. "No poor black children here! Welcome wealthy (white families) to our all-wealthy schools. We have cleansed them, and you can feel safe here now!"

My God - the cartoonists are going to have a field day with you. Picture the buses of little black children being sent back whence they came. Oh yes they will! And on the next page, someone will draw four little black girls in white dresses, trying to enter a Hill school, with firehouses in the background and someone planting a bomb. Drawings of men in white hoods, storming past the Emancipation Memorial in Lincoln Park.

Expressing support for such a plan will crucify any candidate or public employee who took it seriously, and deservedly so.

If you want to alter the balance of your schools, you're going to have to do it by attracting higher SES people in, not by kicking other, lower SES people out.

PP here
I never said LT or any school should be closed and I'm puzzled how you'd reach that conclusion based on what you've highlighted from my post. I think you highlighted the wrong post, but you only posted that to troll this top anyway, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You would need to close 2 or 3 Hill DCPS elementary schools to get where you want to go - not just LT but Payne and/or Miner!!

Everybody's just dreamin' on this thread. Until the Mayor goes, the Chancellor goes, and Wells goes, the LT District parents have as much chance as feeding into SWS as into Janney. And none of us has any chance of feeding into a stellar middle school program. Plan accordingly because time and demographics won't fix these problems.

underenrolled? you're mistaken -- the schools are enrolled, but some with significant out of bound populations -- notice only only 1 Ward 6 school hit by closures and it's a special needs school. The % of oob students is a worthless stat tossed around freely by skeptics. Some of the OOB are students with proximity fwiw. Look at the IB by GRADE and you'll see the % pretty low for EC and early ES and increases with grade level. The better Hill schools are retaining these students until they jump ship for MS.

There is absolutely no problem with enrolling Hill families -- it's retaining them where DCPS fails

So you want to close schools that are not under-enrolled, because you don't want the poor black children in your schools, and that's the method you'd like to use to do it - by kicking them out of schools that are not under-enrolled. "No poor black children here! Welcome wealthy (white families) to our all-wealthy schools. We have cleansed them, and you can feel safe here now!"

My God - the cartoonists are going to have a field day with you. Picture the buses of little black children being sent back whence they came. Oh yes they will! And on the next page, someone will draw four little black girls in white dresses, trying to enter a Hill school, with firehouses in the background and someone planting a bomb. Drawings of men in white hoods, storming past the Emancipation Memorial in Lincoln Park.

Expressing support for such a plan will crucify any candidate or public employee who took it seriously, and deservedly so.

If you want to alter the balance of your schools, you're going to have to do it by attracting higher SES people in, not by kicking other, lower SES people out.

PP here
I never said LT or any school should be closed and I'm puzzled how you'd reach that conclusion based on what you've highlighted from my post. IB families want nothing to do with LT but aparently others do. I simply said it's not an "underenrolled" school. That is not a value judgement or an acknowledgement of where those enrollees come from.

I think you highlighted the wrong post, but you only posted that to troll this top anyway, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You would need to close 2 or 3 Hill DCPS elementary schools to get where you want to go - not just LT but Payne and/or Miner!!

Everybody's just dreamin' on this thread. Until the Mayor goes, the Chancellor goes, and Wells goes, the LT District parents have as much chance as feeding into SWS as into Janney. And none of us has any chance of feeding into a stellar middle school program. Plan accordingly because time and demographics won't fix these problems.

underenrolled? you're mistaken -- the schools are enrolled, but some with significant out of bound populations -- notice only only 1 Ward 6 school hit by closures and it's a special needs school. The % of oob students is a worthless stat tossed around freely by skeptics. Some of the OOB are students with proximity fwiw. Look at the IB by GRADE and you'll see the % pretty low for EC and early ES and increases with grade level. The better Hill schools are retaining these students until they jump ship for MS.

There is absolutely no problem with enrolling Hill families -- it's retaining them where DCPS fails

So you want to close schools that are not under-enrolled, because you don't want the poor black children in your schools, and that's the method you'd like to use to do it - by kicking them out of schools that are not under-enrolled. "No poor black children here! Welcome wealthy (white families) to our all-wealthy schools. We have cleansed them, and you can feel safe here now!"

My God - the cartoonists are going to have a field day with you. Picture the buses of little black children being sent back whence they came. Oh yes they will! And on the next page, someone will draw four little black girls in white dresses, trying to enter a Hill school, with firehouses in the background and someone planting a bomb. Drawings of men in white hoods, storming past the Emancipation Memorial in Lincoln Park.

Expressing support for such a plan will crucify any candidate or public employee who took it seriously, and deservedly so.

If you want to alter the balance of your schools, you're going to have to do it by attracting higher SES people in, not by kicking other, lower SES people out.

PP here
I never said LT or any school should be closed and I'm puzzled how you'd reach that conclusion based on what you've highlighted from my post. I think you highlighted the wrong post, but you only posted that to troll this top anyway, right?

You're the PP who got it right, I was highlighting your point. It is the PP above you, suggesting that several schools which are not under-enrolled would need to be closed to enforce the plan.

It's not trollish to point out a genuine outrage.

There, I fixed it to make it more obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Brent parents have come to the conclusion that this solution will create the necessary confidence to retain current students, will not disrupt current feeder patterns and is the most viable way to create a successful program quickly within the DCPS system. Parents have clearly expressed their ideas for what constitutes a successful middle school program including:

• A program operating from a position of strength: a student body made up of a minimum of 75% of students already performing on grade level and ready to soar higher.
• IB Middle Years Program (perhaps paired with an IB Primary Years program at Brent).
• Continuation of our current school community and climate: A high degree of control over the administration and operation of the program.
• "Whole child" development - academic, social, artistic and physical.
• Academic rigor, including summer bridge programs and accelerated learning opportunities to meet the needs of struggling and advanced students.
• A vibrant school life without the need for excessive control measures by staff.
• A strong partnership with the Smithsonian and other institutions incorporating aspects of a School Without Walls concept to capitalize on rich local resources.

Holy sh*t, lady! Do you realize how out of touch that is? Here's a little picture of the citywide population:

The state average for Math was 49% in 2012. The state average for Reading was 41% in 2012.

75% at grade level would exclude a majority of public school students from the school. Gee, I wonder what color all those excluded students will be? This is your "Stage One Pilot" Then in 3-5 years you want to take over another school? You're not creating a test-in magnet, you're suggesting kicking them out of a place where they already are: i.e., Ward 6 schools. That's a political nightmare that could wind you up in front of the Supreme Court (oh wait - it's already been there, 50 years ago, and it lost). "White schools only, no blacks need apply"

Deal gets to do things that you don't because it's working with the students it already has - high SES ones which have always been the majority in Ward 3. You don't get to do that in Ward 6. The poor may leave on their own, but you don't get to kick them out.

Nobody is advocating kicking poor people out of Ward 6 schools who actually live in Ward 6. What people are advocating is right-sizing the ES offerings in Ward 6 so that its schools are true neighborhood schools instead of pulling in all sorts of OOB kids from other parts of the city and PG county. Ward 6 has socio-economic diversity that should be represented in the schools, but the schools should also accurately reflect the actual make-up of the community, which is heavily middle class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Brent parents have come to the conclusion that this solution will create the necessary confidence to retain current students, will not disrupt current feeder patterns and is the most viable way to create a successful program quickly within the DCPS system. Parents have clearly expressed their ideas for what constitutes a successful middle school program including:

• A program operating from a position of strength: a student body made up of a minimum of 75% of students already performing on grade level and ready to soar higher.
• IB Middle Years Program (perhaps paired with an IB Primary Years program at Brent).
• Continuation of our current school community and climate: A high degree of control over the administration and operation of the program.
• "Whole child" development - academic, social, artistic and physical.
• Academic rigor, including summer bridge programs and accelerated learning opportunities to meet the needs of struggling and advanced students.
• A vibrant school life without the need for excessive control measures by staff.
• A strong partnership with the Smithsonian and other institutions incorporating aspects of a School Without Walls concept to capitalize on rich local resources.

Holy sh*t, lady! Do you realize how out of touch that is? Here's a little picture of the citywide population:

The state average for Math was 49% in 2012. The state average for Reading was 41% in 2012.

75% at grade level would exclude a majority of public school students from the school. Gee, I wonder what color all those excluded students will be? This is your "Stage One Pilot" Then in 3-5 years you want to take over another school? You're not creating a test-in magnet, you're suggesting kicking them out of a place where they already are: i.e., Ward 6 schools. That's a political nightmare that could wind you up in front of the Supreme Court (oh wait - it's already been there, 50 years ago, and it lost). "White schools only, no blacks need apply"

Deal gets to do things that you don't because it's working with the students it already has - high SES ones which have always been the majority in Ward 3. You don't get to do that in Ward 6. The poor may leave on their own, but you don't get to kick them out.

Gimmee a break with your race baiting. You are behind the times or purposefully ignorant. Guess which families at Brent were most in favor of this proposal and left DCPS in droves when it didn't work out? Yup. African American families who are even more wary of the crappy education offered around here. Those scores you quote are an outrage in themselves and continuing to play sincere efforts to attract more people to middle and high school in neighborhood schools as rascist attempts to displace people will do nothing to help that. Your attitude is the reason so many people throw up their hands and don't even want to try.

[Anonymous]

Nobody is advocating kicking poor people out of Ward 6 schools who actually live in Ward 6. What people are advocating is right-sizing the ES offerings in Ward 6 so that its schools are true neighborhood schools instead of pulling in all sorts of OOB kids from other parts of the city and PG county. Ward 6 has socio-economic diversity that should be represented in the schools, but the schools should also accurately reflect the actual make-up of the community, which is heavily middle class.

What I'd really like to see are KIPP schools, DCPS-DCPC hybrids, opening at JO Wilson and Tyler (replacing the "traditional" program there) with LT and Payne closed. Why? Because low-income minority kids, still a big group up by FL Ave. and in Potomac Gardens, do significantly better in KIPP programs, offering more structure, extended school days, Saturday school, and shorter summer vacations than in tradtional programs with diverse student populations.

Studies show that while lower-middle-class kids, like the those at Brent bused from Bollling, do better in diverse schools than in relatively homogenous ones, lower-income AA kids do not. Such kids are better off spending much more time in good schools than upper-middle-class kids, whose families tend to be stable, whose home environments tend to be uplifting, and whose high-earning parents can afford to pay for enrichment activities. The different populations have different needs in ES, no point in pretending otherwise.

If JO Wilson and LT became KIPP schools serving FARMS kids alone, these kids would have a fighting chance of keeping up with upper-middle-class kids later, in middle and high school. Representing great socio-economic diversity in neighborhood schools only sounds good when a neighborhood is split between the affluent and the really poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Nobody is advocating kicking poor people out of Ward 6 schools who actually live in Ward 6. What people are advocating is right-sizing the ES offerings in Ward 6 so that its schools are true neighborhood schools instead of pulling in all sorts of OOB kids from other parts of the city and PG county. Ward 6 has socio-economic diversity that should be represented in the schools, but the schools should also accurately reflect the actual make-up of the community, which is heavily middle class.

What I'd really like to see are KIPP schools, DCPS-DCPC hybrids, opening at JO Wilson and Tyler (replacing the "traditional" program there) with LT and Payne closed. Why? Because low-income minority kids, still a big group up by FL Ave. and in Potomac Gardens, do significantly better in KIPP programs, offering more structure, extended school days, Saturday school, and shorter summer vacations than in tradtional programs with diverse student populations.

Studies show that while lower-middle-class kids, like the those at Brent bused from Bollling, do better in diverse schools than in relatively homogenous ones, lower-income AA kids do not. Such kids are better off spending much more time in good schools than upper-middle-class kids, whose families tend to be stable, whose home environments tend to be uplifting, and whose high-earning parents can afford to pay for enrichment activities. The different populations have different needs in ES, no point in pretending otherwise.

If JO Wilson and LT became KIPP schools serving FARMS kids alone, these kids would have a fighting chance of keeping up with upper-middle-class kids later, in middle and high school. Representing great socio-economic diversity in neighborhood schools only sounds good when a neighborhood is split between the affluent and the really poor.

But that would require Kaya to turn over some buildings. Not to mention, swallow some pride.

[Anonymous]

This thread is making me hate my neighbors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is making me hate my neighbors.

Don't worry, plenty will leave soon enough without a decent public IB ES, let alone a decent MS or HS. At least one young family bails from our little street every summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is making me hate my neighbors.

That's a constructive way to deal with a difference of opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Nobody is advocating kicking poor people out of Ward 6 schools who actually live in Ward 6. What people are advocating is right-sizing the ES offerings in Ward 6 so that its schools are true neighborhood schools instead of pulling in all sorts of OOB kids from other parts of the city and PG county. Ward 6 has socio-economic diversity that should be represented in the schools, but the schools should also accurately reflect the actual make-up of the community, which is heavily middle class.

What I'd really like to see are KIPP schools, DCPS-DCPC hybrids, opening at JO Wilson and Tyler (replacing the "traditional" program there) with LT and Payne closed. Why? Because low-income minority kids, still a big group up by FL Ave. and in Potomac Gardens, do significantly better in KIPP programs, offering more structure, extended school days, Saturday school, and shorter summer vacations than in tradtional programs with diverse student populations.

Studies show that while lower-middle-class kids, like the those at Brent bused from Bollling, do better in diverse schools than in relatively homogenous ones, lower-income AA kids do not. Such kids are better off spending much more time in good schools than upper-middle-class kids, whose families tend to be stable, whose home environments tend to be uplifting, and whose high-earning parents can afford to pay for enrichment activities. The different populations have different needs in ES, no point in pretending otherwise.

If JO Wilson and LT became KIPP schools serving FARMS kids alone, these kids would have a fighting chance of keeping up with upper-middle-class kids later, in middle and high school. Representing great socio-economic diversity in neighborhood schools only sounds good when a neighborhood is split between the affluent and the really poor.

I am sure Kaya will totally be on board with your segregated school plan.

Low SES kids do well at KIPP because they either get used to being yelled at 8 to 10 hours a day or they leave/get kicked out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is making me hate my neighbors.

I get you. I visit to Brent on museum night renewed my faith in my neighbors. Hope you find something similarly redemptive. Hugs!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Nobody is advocating kicking poor people out of Ward 6 schools who actually live in Ward 6. What people are advocating is right-sizing the ES offerings in Ward 6 so that its schools are true neighborhood schools instead of pulling in all sorts of OOB kids from other parts of the city and PG county. Ward 6 has socio-economic diversity that should be represented in the schools, but the schools should also accurately reflect the actual make-up of the community, which is heavily middle class.

What I'd really like to see are KIPP schools, DCPS-DCPC hybrids, opening at JO Wilson and Tyler (replacing the "traditional" program there) with LT and Payne closed. Why? Because low-income minority kids, still a big group up by FL Ave. and in Potomac Gardens, do significantly better in KIPP programs, offering more structure, extended school days, Saturday school, and shorter summer vacations than in tradtional programs with diverse student populations.

Studies show that while lower-middle-class kids, like the those at Brent bused from Bollling, do better in diverse schools than in relatively homogenous ones, lower-income AA kids do not. Such kids are better off spending much more time in good schools than upper-middle-class kids, whose families tend to be stable, whose home environments tend to be uplifting, and whose high-earning parents can afford to pay for enrichment activities. The different populations have different needs in ES, no point in pretending otherwise.

If JO Wilson and LT became KIPP schools serving FARMS kids alone, these kids would have a fighting chance of keeping up with upper-middle-class kids later, in middle and high school. Representing great socio-economic diversity in neighborhood schools only sounds good when a neighborhood is split between the affluent and the really poor.

I am sure Kaya will totally be on board with your segregated school plan.

Low SES kids do well at KIPP because they either get used to being yelled at 8 to 10 hours a day or they leave/get kicked out.

You're either willfully ignorant or deliberately deceptive. KIPP students get the extra attention that DCPS fails to provide. They have very high academic standards as well as codes of conduct and expectations of community service. There is no yelling - that's what happens in DCPS - it would be contrary to the high expectations KIPP has for its students. They didn't produce the best MS math scores in the city by yelling at students. It's not that educating low SES students to high standards is a mystery. It's just harder work than DCPS has ever been willing to do.

[Anonymous]

You're willfully deluding yourself if you think KIPP is a positive school environment. Every ex KIPP teacher I've talked has complained about yelling and shaming children. And the attrition rates are high because the kids are miserable.