DC bike group says fewer now riding bikes to work than in 2012 (?!?!)

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

If I were you, I would be embarrassed to keep trotting out this nonsense.

Ok, Trump, but these are the official numbers and if traffic calming actually reduces speeding related deaths, then this should not be a hard question to answer.

They are official numbers that do not measure what you claim they measure, as has been explained to you about a billion times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

If I were you, I would be embarrassed to keep trotting out this nonsense.

Ok, Trump, but these are the official numbers and if traffic calming actually reduces speeding related deaths, then this should not be a hard question to answer.

They are official numbers that do not measure what you claim they measure, as has been explained to you about a billion times.

The only place these numbers appear is in the MPD Annual Report and are presented without an explanation of how they were derived. The numbers are not used by any other source, nor should they be as it makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

I presume you just made these numbers up. They certainly do not match the statistics on the DC Vision Zero webpage: https://visionzero.dc.gov/pages/d72dcdefd15e4285b4a36682a836a8ea

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

I presume you just made these numbers up. They certainly do not match the statistics on the DC Vision Zero webpage: https://visionzero.dc.gov/pages/d72dcdefd15e4285b4a36682a836a8ea

The numbers are from the police department. You can look them up yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

If I were you, I would be embarrassed to keep trotting out this nonsense.

Ok, Trump, but these are the official numbers and if traffic calming actually reduces speeding related deaths, then this should not be a hard question to answer.

They are official numbers that do not measure what you claim they measure, as has been explained to you about a billion times.

The only place these numbers appear is in the MPD Annual Report and are presented without an explanation of how they were derived. The numbers are not used by any other source, nor should they be as it makes no sense.

Next you're going to tell us that the police department is lying about how many homicides there are too, right?

[Anonymous]

According to cyclists on this thread, the list of groups lying about how few cyclists bike to work and how few Washingtonians are killed by speeding drivers include:

The U.S. Census Bureau
The Washington Post
The DC Department of Transportation
The DC police department

The groups who aren't lying:

A company that rents bikes to people
A blog they like about biking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to cyclists on this thread, the list of groups lying about how few cyclists bike to work and how few Washingtonians are killed by speeding drivers include:

The U.S. Census Bureau
The Washington Post
The DC Department of Transportation
The DC police department

The groups who aren't lying:

A company that rents bikes to people
A blog they like about biking

Everyone needs a hobby, but surely there are hobbies that are available to you, more rewarding, and less weird than anonymously hating on "cyclists" on line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to cyclists on this thread, the list of groups lying about how few cyclists bike to work and how few Washingtonians are killed by speeding drivers include:

The U.S. Census Bureau
The Washington Post
The DC Department of Transportation
The DC police department

The groups who aren't lying:

A company that rents bikes to people
A blog they like about biking

In fact, you are lying by misrepresenting statistics compiled by these entities. As has been explained to you a billion times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:According to cyclists on this thread, the list of groups lying about how few cyclists bike to work and how few Washingtonians are killed by speeding drivers include:

The U.S. Census Bureau
The Washington Post
The DC Department of Transportation
The DC police department

The groups who aren't lying:

A company that rents bikes to people
A blog they like about biking

In fact, you are lying by misrepresenting statistics compiled by these entities. As has been explained to you a billion times.

DP. What was misrepresented? Honestly would like to know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

I presume you just made these numbers up. They certainly do not match the statistics on the DC Vision Zero webpage: https://visionzero.dc.gov/pages/d72dcdefd15e4285b4a36682a836a8ea

According to that page the numbers were going down and then went up as soon as they started implementing their ideas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

I presume you just made these numbers up. They certainly do not match the statistics on the DC Vision Zero webpage: https://visionzero.dc.gov/pages/d72dcdefd15e4285b4a36682a836a8ea

According to that page the numbers were going down and then went up as soon as they started implementing their ideas.

I’m sure they will give you a story now about why these numbers are wrong too. Apparently no one should ever trust independent data. You should only trust what they tell you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to cyclists on this thread, the list of groups lying about how few cyclists bike to work and how few Washingtonians are killed by speeding drivers include:

The U.S. Census Bureau
The Washington Post
The DC Department of Transportation
The DC police department

The groups who aren't lying:

A company that rents bikes to people
A blog they like about biking

In fact, you are lying by misrepresenting statistics compiled by these entities. As has been explained to you a billion times.

DP. What was misrepresented? Honestly would like to know.

Nothing was misrepresented. This is what this guy does. Instead of answering the question, he pretends he answered it earlier in the thread, except that never happened (you can look). It's a way to just dodge the question. The numbers are correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to cyclists on this thread, the list of groups lying about how few cyclists bike to work and how few Washingtonians are killed by speeding drivers include:

The U.S. Census Bureau
The Washington Post
The DC Department of Transportation
The DC police department

The groups who aren't lying:

A company that rents bikes to people
A blog they like about biking

In fact, you are lying by misrepresenting statistics compiled by these entities. As has been explained to you a billion times.

DP. What was misrepresented? Honestly would like to know.

Nothing was misrepresented. This is what this guy does. Instead of answering the question, he pretends he answered it earlier in the thread, except that never happened (you can look). It's a way to just dodge the question. The numbers are correct.

The misrepresentation was addressed on the dozens of other threads on which these statistics were posted. And various issues were also detailed on this thread.

I don’t really have the heart to recount all of those misrepresentations again only for them to be ignored again, but suffice to say that you should very wary of anyone who extrapolates from samples and doesn’t give you a margin of error or tries to get you to believe that automobile accidents are always caused by a single factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to cyclists on this thread, the list of groups lying about how few cyclists bike to work and how few Washingtonians are killed by speeding drivers include:

The U.S. Census Bureau
The Washington Post
The DC Department of Transportation
The DC police department

The groups who aren't lying:

A company that rents bikes to people
A blog they like about biking

In fact, you are lying by misrepresenting statistics compiled by these entities. As has been explained to you a billion times.

DP. What was misrepresented? Honestly would like to know.

Nothing was misrepresented. This is what this guy does. Instead of answering the question, he pretends he answered it earlier in the thread, except that never happened (you can look). It's a way to just dodge the question. The numbers are correct.

The misrepresentation was addressed on the dozens of other threads on which these statistics were posted. And various issues were also detailed on this thread.

I don’t really have the heart to recount all of those misrepresentations again only for them to be ignored again, but suffice to say that you should very wary of anyone who extrapolates from samples and doesn’t give you a margin of error or tries to get you to believe that automobile accidents are always caused by a single factor.

This isn’t very convincing, sorry.