Uh, seems like Trump's visit to the NABJ is not going well...

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No - Trump's not saying, innocuously, "She's Indian". That'd be perfectly fine. No one would object to that at all. She IS Indian, and it is fine to say so.

What he is saying is different. He's saying: "All of a sudden she's Black? She didn't used to be Black, she said she was Indian." That's completely different. He's implying that she is lying about being Black, or at least, that NOW, when it is more important to claim a connection to Black Americans and the Black vote, she's mentioning that she's Black.

It doesn't work though, because she IS Black, as well as Indian.

She may be Black but she doesn't have the same family history and upbringing that she's implying she has. Her father was Jamaican who moved here as an adult, her parents separated when she was 6 and she lived in Canada from age 12-18. Her experience is totally different than many AA's who have lived here for centuries and it's disingenuous on her part to pretend so.

Harris has always been careful about saying she's black, and not that she's African American. It's not lost on her that her family's experience is not the same as that of many African Americans. Her personal experience as a Brown/Black woman, is that of every other Brown/Black woman. There is nothing disingenuous about it.

Obama's father was not from the U.S.

Neither is Harris’s! They were both still Black.

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Anonymous wrote:He's not going to win their votes so he is just using them to play to his base.

I don't think it's working because the interviewer isn't there to clean up his messes for him. Like, most Americans know that people died at the insurrection, since Fox News tried to pin those deaths on Biden. Without a sympathetic interviewer to gently remind/correct/hand him the talking points, he just sounds crazy.

I mean most people have heard the oft repeated claims about the “deadly insurrection”. But 3/5 deaths were from natural causes. One was a drug overdose, and the other was an unarmed protester/rioter.

The police suicides.. I can see how stress is a contributing factor but I really don’t think it’s intellectually honest to try and tie them directly to Jan sixth.

Just like how there’s always mental health warnings on media that includes talking about suicide, and just like how schools generally try quietly acknowledge a student who took their own life—because it’s documented that there can be a social contagion aspect. For instance in San Antonio in 2022 5 officers also died of suicide within a span of seven months. It’s sad and i’m not trying to downplay that.

I just think most people who are willing to think critically and do research understand that there’s been a large politicization and somewhat dishonest framing of how “deadly” the capital riot actually was.

People died during an insurrection in Modern Day America. If that’s not a problem for you, I don’t really know what to say.

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"Deadly Insurrection" in quotes? I think critical thinking should be in quotes for you.

Do you call the George Floyd protests “deadly racial justice riots?” Even though most were peaceful several turned deadly. Are we going to attribute the 184 officer suicides in 2020 to the stress from those?

Look, im not trying to say January 6th wasn’t a ridiculous horrible riot. It was. and it was tragic.

But I don’t see how you can honestly not see the extreme double standard in the pushed narrative.

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This interview was a trainwreck. But I can KIND OF understand not knowing she is Black.

I always assumed she was Black, but then when I’d hear about her in the news it was mainly about her South Asian heritage so I just kinda assumed I had made a wrong assumption. I obviously eventually figured it out.

Just to play devil’s advocate. But yeah, not a good interview. Did not help him with undecideds.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why they invited him. This harms their credibility far more than any harm it would do to him. And he might even sway a few soft minded viewers.

It caused a HUGE uproar among the members, they were staunchly against it.

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Anonymous wrote:This interview was a trainwreck. But I can KIND OF understand not knowing she is Black.

I always assumed she was Black, but then when I’d hear about her in the news it was mainly about her South Asian heritage so I just kinda assumed I had made a wrong assumption. I obviously eventually figured it out.

Just to play devil’s advocate. But yeah, not a good interview. Did not help him with undecideds.

If you were some random person, sure. But Trump is running against her for president so... he should know she's both Black and South Asian/Indian.

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Everybody saying this appearance was a disaster for Trump. But what if 51% of Americans are racist and have been waiting decades for someone to articulate their grievance? Trump knew exactly what he was doing, and if he keeps pushing the overt racism, he’ll carry the electoral college.

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She's a dougs or a Dougla...lol..that's the term island people use when a child is born of black and indian parentage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dougla_people

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Jamaica has it own history with the transatlantic slave trade. Why is this so hard to understand?

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Anonymous wrote:He's not going to win their votes so he is just using them to play to his base.

I don't think it's working because the interviewer isn't there to clean up his messes for him. Like, most Americans know that people died at the insurrection, since Fox News tried to pin those deaths on Biden. Without a sympathetic interviewer to gently remind/correct/hand him the talking points, he just sounds crazy.

I mean most people have heard the oft repeated claims about the “deadly insurrection”. But 3/5 deaths were from natural causes. One was a drug overdose, and the other was an unarmed protester/rioter.

The police suicides.. I can see how stress is a contributing factor but I really don’t think it’s intellectually honest to try and tie them directly to Jan sixth.

Just like how there’s always mental health warnings on media that includes talking about suicide, and just like how schools generally try quietly acknowledge a student who took their own life—because it’s documented that there can be a social contagion aspect. For instance in San Antonio in 2022 5 officers also died of suicide within a span of seven months. It’s sad and i’m not trying to downplay that.

I just think most people who are willing to think critically and do research understand that there’s been a large politicization and somewhat dishonest framing of how “deadly” the capital riot actually was.

People died during an insurrection in Modern Day America. If that’s not a problem for you, I don’t really know what to say.

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"Deadly Insurrection" in quotes? I think critical thinking should be in quotes for you.

Do you call the George Floyd protests “deadly racial justice riots?” Even though most were peaceful several turned deadly. Are we going to attribute the 184 officer suicides in 2020 to the stress from those?

Look, im not trying to say January 6th wasn’t a ridiculous horrible riot. It was. and it was tragic.

But I don’t see how you can honestly not see the extreme double standard in the pushed narrative.

DP...most of the people convicted for murder, arson and looting during the Flloyd summer were actually right wing instigators.

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Anonymous wrote:This interview was a trainwreck. But I can KIND OF understand not knowing she is Black.

I always assumed she was Black, but then when I’d hear about her in the news it was mainly about her South Asian heritage so I just kinda assumed I had made a wrong assumption. I obviously eventually figured it out.

Just to play devil’s advocate. But yeah, not a good interview. Did not help him with undecideds.

She went to an HBCU and joined a PanHel service sorority over 30 years ago. Those should be clues.

[Anonymous]

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No - Trump's not saying, innocuously, "She's Indian". That'd be perfectly fine. No one would object to that at all. She IS Indian, and it is fine to say so.

What he is saying is different. He's saying: "All of a sudden she's Black? She didn't used to be Black, she said she was Indian." That's completely different. He's implying that she is lying about being Black, or at least, that NOW, when it is more important to claim a connection to Black Americans and the Black vote, she's mentioning that she's Black.

It doesn't work though, because she IS Black, as well as Indian.

She may be Black but she doesn't have the same family history and upbringing that she's implying she has. Her father was Jamaican who moved here as an adult, her parents separated when she was 6 and she lived in Canada from age 12-18. Her experience is totally different than many AA's who have lived here for centuries and it's disingenuous on her part to pretend so.

She's not implying anything about her family history. She's a woman of mixed race, Black and Indian. She's married to a Jewish man of probably European descent. Who is pretending anything?

She attended Howard University, a HBCU, and was a soror in AKA, a black sorority. I think she gets to decide how "black" she is.

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody saying this appearance was a disaster for Trump. But what if 51% of Americans are racist and have been waiting decades for someone to articulate their grievance? Trump knew exactly what he was doing, and if he keeps pushing the overt racism, he’ll carry the electoral college.

51% of Americans are not racists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This interview was a trainwreck. But I can KIND OF understand not knowing she is Black.

I always assumed she was Black, but then when I’d hear about her in the news it was mainly about her South Asian heritage so I just kinda assumed I had made a wrong assumption. I obviously eventually figured it out.

Just to play devil’s advocate. But yeah, not a good interview. Did not help him with undecideds.

Do you have advisors informing you of everything in politics? No? Trump does. And also, guess what, he claimed he was not racist in 2020 by stating he had donated to a black woman, Harris, when she was running for AG in California. So there goes any excuse. But even without that, come on. He is supposed to be surrounded by people telling him this stuff (since we all know he doesn't read).

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I mean, is anyone really surprised?

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Anonymous wrote:This interview was a trainwreck. But I can KIND OF understand not knowing she is Black.

I always assumed she was Black, but then when I’d hear about her in the news it was mainly about her South Asian heritage so I just kinda assumed I had made a wrong assumption. I obviously eventually figured it out.

Just to play devil’s advocate. But yeah, not a good interview. Did not help him with undecideds.

Do you have advisors informing you of everything in politics? No? Trump does. And also, guess what, he claimed he was not racist in 2020 by stating he had donated to a black woman, Harris, when she was running for AG in California. So there goes any excuse. But even without that, come on. He is supposed to be surrounded by people telling him this stuff (since we all know he doesn't read).