Everything they said is true but otherwise you're right, people should use crosswalks without staring at their phones. |
Yet more predictable "DOOM AND GLOOM" from the right... |
There is nothing political about being able to predict, based on years of empirical evidence, that every thing that comes out of this Montgomery County Planning Department is going to end up screwed up. They are notorious for not just over promising and under delivering, but actually over promising and delivering the opposite. The main reason is that it’s an organization that exists outside of accountability and so empiricism is meaningless. |
You think that this is just from the right? Where are these righties that live in MoCo? You think that local democrats all welcome these zoning changes? |
By your logic we shouldn’t bother to paint cross walks because a lot of pedestrians die because they don’t use them. |
This is true. Planning has been captured by a handful of local land use lawyers who went to third tier law schools. Ever wonder why approvals take so long? It’s so those lawyers can bill their clients more. It slows down housing production and makes projects cost more. Planning talks about reform sometimes but usually at least one of these lawyers is sitting on the advisory group and nothing happens. The lawyers are also big donors to YIMBY groups, which makes those groups less likely to be effective advocates for reform. |
Umm… everything has a cost, including bad decisions. You are being ridiculous. |
You know, it's funny, because I keep asking for painted cross walks, and the people responsible for the roads keep saying no, because painted cross walks give pedestrians a false sense of security. As a licensed driver, you surely know that there are cross walks at every intersection, whether they're actually painted or not, and you have to stop for pedestrians in unpainted (known as "unmarked" crosswalks) EXACTLY THE SAME as you have to stop for pedestrians in painted ("marked") cross walks. As a licensed driver, you also surely know that it is legal for pedestrians to cross between intersections almost everywhere. |
The issue here obviously isn't that Vision Zero is unattainable. It's that you're not interested in attaining it. You're fine with people being killed in car crashes. Well, everyone gets to have their own opinions, and that includes you. |
Huh? No. I think jaywalking is the same as a rolling stop. In most cases it doesn't matter. |
You’re against pedestrian bridges because pedestrians don’t use them. You are against cross walks because they provide “false sense of safety”. I guess the only solution then is for everyone to stay home because there is nothing that can be done. Except, I was in Ireland a little while ago and you know what I noticed? Cyclist and pedestrians followed the rules. They did not jaywalk or run red lights, even if there were no cars present. They waited diligently for their signal and went across the street. Perhaps if you folks want European levels of traffic safety the answer is in European levels of compliance behavior by cyclists and pedestrians and cars. |
DP. They're not the same, actually. Rolling a stop sign is always illegal, whereas in most cases, so-called "jaywalking" is completely legal. |
No, that's our transportation departments. Our transportation departments are against painted crosswalks, on grounds that painted crosswalks provide a false sense of security to pedestrians. Speaking of following the rules, when you're driving, do you stop for pedestrians in unmarked crosswalks? |
You are very intelligent. LOL. I’m not interested in whatever nonsense strawman you are gaming to argue. There is a crime of “Jaywalking” that exists in all jurisdictions in the US. |
Here’s an idea. Since you want to make the US more like Europe. Please start with you and your fellow cyclists following the law. Because as an American in Europe that is the most obvious difference. A literal “wow moment” seeing throngs of pedestrians and cyclists waiting to go until they had a signal even when there was no car in sight. |