Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

Take a ride with a taxi cab driver who has been working a decade. He will tell you all you need to know about the state of decline the city is in.

The deniers on this thread are either new to the city or have very, very low standards of city life. Perhaps the PP is from Seattle or San Francisco and thinks DC is a step up from those dumpsters.

I came here in 1985. It has gone down significantly.

That couldn't be more of an inaccurate statement. Sure, maybe if you've lived in Georgetown since 1985 and never left, you may be "scared" to see a homeless guy playing music..

Nope. A homeless guy playing music is not the concern.

There is no logical arguement to say DC was safer in 80s vs. today. They're obviously pockets of violence, but as a whole, the city is night and day safer/better.

It is safer than the 80s, but not the 00s. And a main problem is that there are not pockets of violence. Violence now takes place throughout the city and in areas that once were safer.

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

Take a ride with a taxi cab driver who has been working a decade. He will tell you all you need to know about the state of decline the city is in.

The deniers on this thread are either new to the city or have very, very low standards of city life. Perhaps the PP is from Seattle or San Francisco and thinks DC is a step up from those dumpsters.

I came here in 1985. It has gone down significantly.

That couldn't be more of an inaccurate statement. Sure, maybe if you've lived in Georgetown since 1985 and never left, you may be "scared" to see a homeless guy playing music..

Nope. A homeless guy playing music is not the concern.

There is no logical arguement to say DC was safer in 80s vs. today. They're obviously pockets of violence, but as a whole, the city is night and day safer/better.

It is safer than the 80s, but not the 00s. And a main problem is that there are not pockets of violence. Violence now takes place throughout the city and in areas that once were safer.

People keep saying this but it is utter nonsense.

Violence took place throughout the city in the 80s and 90s, and quite a bit more of it. The only difference (besides the fact that there's significantly less of it) is that in the 80s and 90s people like you wouldn't dare set foot in Columbia Heights or the Navy Yard and now you will.

And show me any evidence that there's significantly more violence in "areas that were once safer." Because the only part of the city violence wasn't common in the 80s and 90s was Ward 3, and guess what, Ward 3 is still incredibly safe and free from violence.

There were 2 (yes 2!) homicides in all of Ward 3 last year. There were 25 assaults with a dangerous weapon. In a Ward with roughly 80,000 residents. Even if there was 1 homicide and 12 assaults per year in the 80s and you fearmongers could say "OMG crime up 100% since then!" it would still be completely irrelevant because 1 homicide and 13 assaults is a rounding error when you're talking about 80,000 people. Your actual statistical chances went up by a rounding error.

And I'm guessing there were far more than 1 homicide and 12 assaults per year in Ward 3 in the 80s and 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

I left after living in DC since the late 80s. I lived through violent crime and lack of city services enough for one lifetime. Good luck with your “real city living” newbie!

I am not a newbie, I have lived here my entire life in the U street area. I remember going to the CVS as a child/teen [now closed] by the Ciivl War musuem and the Rite Aid in the early hour mornings and seeing street walkers and needles. Never had an issue with being scared or harmed. The real city dwellers know each other and don't have the same issues as transplants. DC services are at an all time high, it has improved and even if services slide a bit, that would not be unusual given the cost of inflation, lack of childcare, lack of job growth, low quality of food and shrinking middle class.

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

The emperor has no clothes…

https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/dc/dc-is-the-most-undesirable-us-city-survey-says/65-08ba43d4-4e68-418d-9bd6-0ccfcfd8dc40

FOX5 actually called this article out last night.

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

Take a ride with a taxi cab driver who has been working a decade. He will tell you all you need to know about the state of decline the city is in.

The deniers on this thread are either new to the city or have very, very low standards of city life. Perhaps the PP is from Seattle or San Francisco and thinks DC is a step up from those dumpsters.

I came here in 1985. It has gone down significantly.

That couldn't be more of an inaccurate statement. Sure, maybe if you've lived in Georgetown since 1985 and never left, you may be "scared" to see a homeless guy playing music..

Nope. A homeless guy playing music is not the concern.

There is no logical arguement to say DC was safer in 80s vs. today. They're obviously pockets of violence, but as a whole, the city is night and day safer/better.

It is safer than the 80s, but not the 00s. And a main problem is that there are not pockets of violence. Violence now takes place throughout the city and in areas that once were safer.

People keep saying this but it is utter nonsense.

Violence took place throughout the city in the 80s and 90s, and quite a bit more of it. The only difference (besides the fact that there's significantly less of it) is that in the 80s and 90s people like you wouldn't dare set foot in Columbia Heights or the Navy Yard and now you will.

And show me any evidence that there's significantly more violence in "areas that were once safer." Because the only part of the city violence wasn't common in the 80s and 90s was Ward 3, and guess what, Ward 3 is still incredibly safe and free from violence.

There were 2 (yes 2!) homicides in all of Ward 3 last year. There were 25 assaults with a dangerous weapon. In a Ward with roughly 80,000 residents. Even if there was 1 homicide and 12 assaults per year in the 80s and you fearmongers could say "OMG crime up 100% since then!" it would still be completely irrelevant because 1 homicide and 13 assaults is a rounding error when you're talking about 80,000 people. Your actual statistical chances went up by a rounding error.

And I'm guessing there were far more than 1 homicide and 12 assaults per year in Ward 3 in the 80s and 90s.

Now I understand what is going on. Because the privileged are safe in Ward 3, they have no idea what is going on throughout the rest of the city, where murders have skyrocketed and carjackings have more than doubled.

No wonder you all love saying "everything seems better to me."

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

I left after living in DC since the late 80s. I lived through violent crime and lack of city services enough for one lifetime. Good luck with your “real city living” newbie!

I am not a newbie, I have lived here my entire life in the U street area. I remember going to the CVS as a child/teen [now closed] by the Ciivl War musuem and the Rite Aid in the early hour mornings and seeing street walkers and needles. Never had an issue with being scared or harmed. The real city dwellers know each other and don't have the same issues as transplants. DC services are at an all time high, it has improved and even if services slide a bit, that would not be unusual given the cost of inflation, lack of childcare, lack of job growth, low quality of food and shrinking middle class.

What an idiotic response. Are you saying it is the victim’s fault if they are held up at gunpoint in the middle of the day because they are not a “real city dweller”? What’s your definition of a real city dweller because the natives are dying in higher numbers than the transplants.

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Decline? Not at all.

Driver forces climate activists off the road, two arrested as one superglues hand to highway - Washington DC

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Anonymous wrote:Decline? Not at all.

Driver forces climate activists off the road, two arrested as one superglues hand to highway - Washington DC

I wish someone would try that when I'm on the road.

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

Take a ride with a taxi cab driver who has been working a decade. He will tell you all you need to know about the state of decline the city is in.

The deniers on this thread are either new to the city or have very, very low standards of city life. Perhaps the PP is from Seattle or San Francisco and thinks DC is a step up from those dumpsters.

I came here in 1985. It has gone down significantly.

That couldn't be more of an inaccurate statement. Sure, maybe if you've lived in Georgetown since 1985 and never left, you may be "scared" to see a homeless guy playing music..

Nope. A homeless guy playing music is not the concern.

There is no logical arguement to say DC was safer in 80s vs. today. There obviously pockets of violence, but as a whole, the city is night and day safer/better.

The City is safer than the 1980’s but not as safe as say 2012 and not trending in as good a direction as it once was.

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

Take a ride with a taxi cab driver who has been working a decade. He will tell you all you need to know about the state of decline the city is in.

The deniers on this thread are either new to the city or have very, very low standards of city life. Perhaps the PP is from Seattle or San Francisco and thinks DC is a step up from those dumpsters.

I came here in 1985. It has gone down significantly.

That couldn't be more of an inaccurate statement. Sure, maybe if you've lived in Georgetown since 1985 and never left, you may be "scared" to see a homeless guy playing music..

Nope. A homeless guy playing music is not the concern.

There is no logical arguement to say DC was safer in 80s vs. today. They're obviously pockets of violence, but as a whole, the city is night and day safer/better.

It is safer than the 80s, but not the 00s. And a main problem is that there are not pockets of violence. Violence now takes place throughout the city and in areas that once were safer.

This is true.

A family friend is an Arlington police officer assigned to Crystal City.

He said he primarily arrests residents of D.C. and the MD suburbs just east of DC, who all come to Crystal City to commit crime.

He explained the people view Northern Virginia as if it is a “shopping center” full of things for them to steal, and naive wealthy people who are easier to victimize.

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

Take a ride with a taxi cab driver who has been working a decade. He will tell you all you need to know about the state of decline the city is in.

The deniers on this thread are either new to the city or have very, very low standards of city life. Perhaps the PP is from Seattle or San Francisco and thinks DC is a step up from those dumpsters.

I came here in 1985. It has gone down significantly.

That couldn't be more of an inaccurate statement. Sure, maybe if you've lived in Georgetown since 1985 and never left, you may be "scared" to see a homeless guy playing music..

Nope. A homeless guy playing music is not the concern.

There is no logical arguement to say DC was safer in 80s vs. today. They're obviously pockets of violence, but as a whole, the city is night and day safer/better.

It is safer than the 80s, but not the 00s. And a main problem is that there are not pockets of violence. Violence now takes place throughout the city and in areas that once were safer.

This is true.

A family friend is an Arlington police officer assigned to Crystal City.

He said he primarily arrests residents of D.C. and the MD suburbs just east of DC, who all come to Crystal City to commit crime.

He explained the people view Northern Virginia as if it is a “shopping center” full of things for them to steal, and naive wealthy people who are easier to victimize.

Bring back Public executions

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Anonymous wrote:Decline? Not at all.

Driver forces climate activists off the road, two arrested as one superglues hand to highway - Washington DC

I wish someone would try that when I'm on the road.

Why? Are you insinuating that you'd commit murder?

Lol. Please.

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

Take a ride with a taxi cab driver who has been working a decade. He will tell you all you need to know about the state of decline the city is in.

The deniers on this thread are either new to the city or have very, very low standards of city life. Perhaps the PP is from Seattle or San Francisco and thinks DC is a step up from those dumpsters.

I came here in 1985. It has gone down significantly.

That couldn't be more of an inaccurate statement. Sure, maybe if you've lived in Georgetown since 1985 and never left, you may be "scared" to see a homeless guy playing music..

Nope. A homeless guy playing music is not the concern.

There is no logical arguement to say DC was safer in 80s vs. today. They're obviously pockets of violence, but as a whole, the city is night and day safer/better.

It is safer than the 80s, but not the 00s. And a main problem is that there are not pockets of violence. Violence now takes place throughout the city and in areas that once were safer.

People keep saying this but it is utter nonsense.

Violence took place throughout the city in the 80s and 90s, and quite a bit more of it. The only difference (besides the fact that there's significantly less of it) is that in the 80s and 90s people like you wouldn't dare set foot in Columbia Heights or the Navy Yard and now you will.

And show me any evidence that there's significantly more violence in "areas that were once safer." Because the only part of the city violence wasn't common in the 80s and 90s was Ward 3, and guess what, Ward 3 is still incredibly safe and free from violence.

There were 2 (yes 2!) homicides in all of Ward 3 last year. There were 25 assaults with a dangerous weapon. In a Ward with roughly 80,000 residents. Even if there was 1 homicide and 12 assaults per year in the 80s and you fearmongers could say "OMG crime up 100% since then!" it would still be completely irrelevant because 1 homicide and 13 assaults is a rounding error when you're talking about 80,000 people. Your actual statistical chances went up by a rounding error.

And I'm guessing there were far more than 1 homicide and 12 assaults per year in Ward 3 in the 80s and 90s.

Now I understand what is going on. Because the privileged are safe in Ward 3, they have no idea what is going on throughout the rest of the city, where murders have skyrocketed and carjackings have more than doubled.

No wonder you all love saying "everything seems better to me."

This is partially true, and definitely this board's heavy Ward 3 population skews both perceptions of and experience with crime.

Although, even with murders skyrocketing, it's not true that the city is more violent now than in the 1980s or early 1990s. The total number of murders this year is half of what it was then, and the population is larger. Or by another metric everyone here seems to love — boarded-up storefronts downtown — today is certainly an improvement over 30 years ago. (Unless you really loved huge surface parking lots that were largely empty at night.)

One issue with discussions of any of this is that no one is comparing today's crime problem to the same past era's crime problem. Some people look at, say, 1991 and say, well, this is much better. Other people look at 2009 and say, well, this is much worse. They're both right.

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

Take a ride with a taxi cab driver who has been working a decade. He will tell you all you need to know about the state of decline the city is in.

The deniers on this thread are either new to the city or have very, very low standards of city life. Perhaps the PP is from Seattle or San Francisco and thinks DC is a step up from those dumpsters.

I came here in 1985. It has gone down significantly.

That couldn't be more of an inaccurate statement. Sure, maybe if you've lived in Georgetown since 1985 and never left, you may be "scared" to see a homeless guy playing music..

Nope. A homeless guy playing music is not the concern.

There is no logical arguement to say DC was safer in 80s vs. today. They're obviously pockets of violence, but as a whole, the city is night and day safer/better.

It is safer than the 80s, but not the 00s. And a main problem is that there are not pockets of violence. Violence now takes place throughout the city and in areas that once were safer.

People keep saying this but it is utter nonsense.

Violence took place throughout the city in the 80s and 90s, and quite a bit more of it. The only difference (besides the fact that there's significantly less of it) is that in the 80s and 90s people like you wouldn't dare set foot in Columbia Heights or the Navy Yard and now you will.

And show me any evidence that there's significantly more violence in "areas that were once safer." Because the only part of the city violence wasn't common in the 80s and 90s was Ward 3, and guess what, Ward 3 is still incredibly safe and free from violence.

There were 2 (yes 2!) homicides in all of Ward 3 last year. There were 25 assaults with a dangerous weapon. In a Ward with roughly 80,000 residents. Even if there was 1 homicide and 12 assaults per year in the 80s and you fearmongers could say "OMG crime up 100% since then!" it would still be completely irrelevant because 1 homicide and 13 assaults is a rounding error when you're talking about 80,000 people. Your actual statistical chances went up by a rounding error.

And I'm guessing there were far more than 1 homicide and 12 assaults per year in Ward 3 in the 80s and 90s.

Now I understand what is going on. Because the privileged are safe in Ward 3, they have no idea what is going on throughout the rest of the city, where murders have skyrocketed and carjackings have more than doubled.

No wonder you all love saying "everything seems better to me."

This is partially true, and definitely this board's heavy Ward 3 population skews both perceptions of and experience with crime.

Although, even with murders skyrocketing, it's not true that the city is more violent now than in the 1980s or early 1990s. The total number of murders this year is half of what it was then, and the population is larger. Or by another metric everyone here seems to love — boarded-up storefronts downtown — today is certainly an improvement over 30 years ago. (Unless you really loved huge surface parking lots that were largely empty at night.)

One issue with discussions of any of this is that no one is comparing today's crime problem to the same past era's crime problem. Some people look at, say, 1991 and say, well, this is much better. Other people look at 2009 and say, well, this is much worse. They're both right.

So much worse than 2015! Who cares about 40 years ago?

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Anonymous wrote:I have noticed no decline, if you worry this much about city living crime and schools, you should move to the burbs or back to your hometown. Leave the real city living to the rest of us.

Take a ride with a taxi cab driver who has been working a decade. He will tell you all you need to know about the state of decline the city is in.

The deniers on this thread are either new to the city or have very, very low standards of city life. Perhaps the PP is from Seattle or San Francisco and thinks DC is a step up from those dumpsters.

I came here in 1985. It has gone down significantly.

That couldn't be more of an inaccurate statement. Sure, maybe if you've lived in Georgetown since 1985 and never left, you may be "scared" to see a homeless guy playing music..

Nope. A homeless guy playing music is not the concern.

There is no logical arguement to say DC was safer in 80s vs. today. They're obviously pockets of violence, but as a whole, the city is night and day safer/better.

It is safer than the 80s, but not the 00s. And a main problem is that there are not pockets of violence. Violence now takes place throughout the city and in areas that once were safer.

People keep saying this but it is utter nonsense.

Violence took place throughout the city in the 80s and 90s, and quite a bit more of it. The only difference (besides the fact that there's significantly less of it) is that in the 80s and 90s people like you wouldn't dare set foot in Columbia Heights or the Navy Yard and now you will.

And show me any evidence that there's significantly more violence in "areas that were once safer." Because the only part of the city violence wasn't common in the 80s and 90s was Ward 3, and guess what, Ward 3 is still incredibly safe and free from violence.

There were 2 (yes 2!) homicides in all of Ward 3 last year. There were 25 assaults with a dangerous weapon. In a Ward with roughly 80,000 residents. Even if there was 1 homicide and 12 assaults per year in the 80s and you fearmongers could say "OMG crime up 100% since then!" it would still be completely irrelevant because 1 homicide and 13 assaults is a rounding error when you're talking about 80,000 people. Your actual statistical chances went up by a rounding error.

And I'm guessing there were far more than 1 homicide and 12 assaults per year in Ward 3 in the 80s and 90s.

Now I understand what is going on. Because the privileged are safe in Ward 3, they have no idea what is going on throughout the rest of the city, where murders have skyrocketed and carjackings have more than doubled.

No wonder you all love saying "everything seems better to me."

This is partially true, and definitely this board's heavy Ward 3 population skews both perceptions of and experience with crime.

Although, even with murders skyrocketing, it's not true that the city is more violent now than in the 1980s or early 1990s. The total number of murders this year is half of what it was then, and the population is larger. Or by another metric everyone here seems to love — boarded-up storefronts downtown — today is certainly an improvement over 30 years ago. (Unless you really loved huge surface parking lots that were largely empty at night.)

One issue with discussions of any of this is that no one is comparing today's crime problem to the same past era's crime problem. Some people look at, say, 1991 and say, well, this is much better. Other people look at 2009 and say, well, this is much worse. They're both right.

So much worse than 2015! Who cares about 40 years ago?

Just cherry pick whatever data you want. Over a long term time frame (not 8yrs) crime has decreased substantially on a per capita basis.

The city is a relatively affluent, diverse, and world class tourism hub. It’s infinitely better than it was 30,40,50 years ago