Parking no longer free on Saturdays in MoCo lots starting 7/8/23

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

The house painter living in Silver Spring (meaning what? Aspen Hill?) who is taking their kid to a dentist in downtown Silver Spring, on a Saturday, is most likely going by bus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

The house painter living in Silver Spring (meaning what? Aspen Hill?) who is taking their kid to a dentist in downtown Silver Spring, on a Saturday, is most likely going by bus.

No they’re not. The busses take forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

The house painter living in Silver Spring (meaning what? Aspen Hill?) who is taking their kid to a dentist in downtown Silver Spring, on a Saturday, is most likely going by bus.

No they’re not. The busses take forever.

How do you know? There are a lot of people taking buses, even if you are not one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

Our local urbanists are that stupid. They’re best thing that ever happened to NIMBYs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

Our local urbanists are that stupid. They’re best thing that ever happened to NIMBYs.

What on Earth are you talking about? Are the urbanists the ones on here bellyaching about charging for parking, preferring instead to fund garages with unicorn dust and allocating scarce resources to ensure that no driver is ever mildly inconvenienced?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

Our local urbanists are that stupid. They’re best thing that ever happened to NIMBYs.

What on Earth are you talking about? Are the urbanists the ones on here bellyaching about charging for parking, preferring instead to fund garages with unicorn dust and allocating scarce resources to ensure that no driver is ever mildly inconvenienced?

No, the urbanists are the ones who keep doubling down on the same failed policies. The louder they get the less gets built. They complement their fervor with a deep misunderstanding of how business works, how to attract jobs, and what makes developers actually want to build housing.

The garages are already built (overbuilt actually). The parking revenue doesn’t go to pay for garages. It pays for other programs. It’s yet another cash grab by a council that has an endless appetite for more spending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

Our local urbanists are that stupid. They’re best thing that ever happened to NIMBYs.

What on Earth are you talking about? Are the urbanists the ones on here bellyaching about charging for parking, preferring instead to fund garages with unicorn dust and allocating scarce resources to ensure that no driver is ever mildly inconvenienced?

No, the urbanists are the ones who keep doubling down on the same failed policies. The louder they get the less gets built. They complement their fervor with a deep misunderstanding of how business works, how to attract jobs, and what makes developers actually want to build housing.

The garages are already built (overbuilt actually). The parking revenue doesn’t go to pay for garages. It pays for other programs. It’s yet another cash grab by a council that has an endless appetite for more spending.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/Parking-Info/ProgramDescription.html

(Calling a user fee for car storage a "cash grab" )

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

Our local urbanists are that stupid. They’re best thing that ever happened to NIMBYs.

What on Earth are you talking about? Are the urbanists the ones on here bellyaching about charging for parking, preferring instead to fund garages with unicorn dust and allocating scarce resources to ensure that no driver is ever mildly inconvenienced?

No, the urbanists are the ones who keep doubling down on the same failed policies. The louder they get the less gets built. They complement their fervor with a deep misunderstanding of how business works, how to attract jobs, and what makes developers actually want to build housing.

The garages are already built (overbuilt actually). The parking revenue doesn’t go to pay for garages. It pays for other programs. It’s yet another cash grab by a council that has an endless appetite for more spending.

Now I'm convinced you're a deeply unserious person. Urbanists are "doubling down on the same failed policies" .... by introducing a brand-new policy? C'mon, at least put some effort into your trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

Our local urbanists are that stupid. They’re best thing that ever happened to NIMBYs.

What on Earth are you talking about? Are the urbanists the ones on here bellyaching about charging for parking, preferring instead to fund garages with unicorn dust and allocating scarce resources to ensure that no driver is ever mildly inconvenienced?

No, the urbanists are the ones who keep doubling down on the same failed policies. The louder they get the less gets built. They complement their fervor with a deep misunderstanding of how business works, how to attract jobs, and what makes developers actually want to build housing.

The garages are already built (overbuilt actually). The parking revenue doesn’t go to pay for garages. It pays for other programs. It’s yet another cash grab by a council that has an endless appetite for more spending.

Now I'm convinced you're a deeply unserious person. Urbanists are "doubling down on the same failed policies" .... by introducing a brand-new policy? C'mon, at least put some effort into your trolling.

Don't you get it? It's the fault of all the people who are saying "Build stuff!" that stuff isn't getting built! If all the people who are saying "Build stuff!" would just shut up and let the people who are saying "Don't build stuff!" have their say, then stuff would get built! Lots of stuff! Stuff all over the place!

Or, anyway, that seems to be the argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

But taxes are based on income (except sales tax), where this new charge is the same for all. The hit to your wallet isn't the same as the hit to someone making (presumably) much less.

[Anonymous]

they should just sell the lots to the highest bidder with no restrictions; the highest bidder can choose whether to build housing or keep parking on them. use the profits to cut everyones property taxes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

Our local urbanists are that stupid. They’re best thing that ever happened to NIMBYs.

What on Earth are you talking about? Are the urbanists the ones on here bellyaching about charging for parking, preferring instead to fund garages with unicorn dust and allocating scarce resources to ensure that no driver is ever mildly inconvenienced?

No, the urbanists are the ones who keep doubling down on the same failed policies. The louder they get the less gets built. They complement their fervor with a deep misunderstanding of how business works, how to attract jobs, and what makes developers actually want to build housing.

The garages are already built (overbuilt actually). The parking revenue doesn’t go to pay for garages. It pays for other programs. It’s yet another cash grab by a council that has an endless appetite for more spending.

Now I'm convinced you're a deeply unserious person. Urbanists are "doubling down on the same failed policies" .... by introducing a brand-new policy? C'mon, at least put some effort into your trolling.

Don't you get it? It's the fault of all the people who are saying "Build stuff!" that stuff isn't getting built! If all the people who are saying "Build stuff!" would just shut up and let the people who are saying "Don't build stuff!" have their say, then stuff would get built! Lots of stuff! Stuff all over the place!

Or, anyway, that seems to be the argument.

Yes, saying build stuff is how things get built. It gets built even faster if you click your heels three times while saying it.

Keep making my point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

But taxes are based on income (except sales tax), where this new charge is the same for all. The hit to your wallet isn't the same as the hit to someone making (presumably) much less.

I have less and less patience for affluent people saying "Think of low-income people!" when it comes to policies the affluent people don't like.

Something that really hurts low-income people: having to choose between slow transit, expensive Uber/Lyft, or expensive cars if they want to be able to do the things they need to do (including getting to and from work)

Something that WAY down the list of hurting low-income people: charging a dollar or two per hour for parking in county-owned garages in three limited areas in the county during limited hours on one additional day per week

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

Our local urbanists are that stupid. They’re best thing that ever happened to NIMBYs.

What on Earth are you talking about? Are the urbanists the ones on here bellyaching about charging for parking, preferring instead to fund garages with unicorn dust and allocating scarce resources to ensure that no driver is ever mildly inconvenienced?

No, the urbanists are the ones who keep doubling down on the same failed policies. The louder they get the less gets built. They complement their fervor with a deep misunderstanding of how business works, how to attract jobs, and what makes developers actually want to build housing.

The garages are already built (overbuilt actually). The parking revenue doesn’t go to pay for garages. It pays for other programs. It’s yet another cash grab by a council that has an endless appetite for more spending.

Now I'm convinced you're a deeply unserious person. Urbanists are "doubling down on the same failed policies" .... by introducing a brand-new policy? C'mon, at least put some effort into your trolling.

Don't you get it? It's the fault of all the people who are saying "Build stuff!" that stuff isn't getting built! If all the people who are saying "Build stuff!" would just shut up and let the people who are saying "Don't build stuff!" have their say, then stuff would get built! Lots of stuff! Stuff all over the place!

Or, anyway, that seems to be the argument.

Yes, saying build stuff is how things get built. It gets built even faster if you click your heels three times while saying it.

Keep making my point.

It seems like advocating FOR building stuff would be better for building stuff than advocating AGAINST building stuff, but you know best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entitlement from car owners on display in this thread. Unreal.

It's the suburbs..

Move if you don't like it. No one wants your eat in a cage lifestyle.

What? OP, I own two SUVs and live in a big house in Rockville. I don't want to live in a small apartment either. I just don't expect to be given free stuff - parking or anything else - as a reward for that lifestyle. I own two cars and pay for parking in places I need it. I don't need a handout for that. I have a big lawn and pay someone to cut it. I don't need a handout for that. What I am mystified by is my suburban colleagues who think that someone else should pay for their lifestyle.

But not everyone can easily afford it. You're assuming everyone who uses these parking garages has extra money, esp. in this economy. Think of the house painter living in Silver Spring who has to park in one of these garages to take their kid to the dentist on a Saturday.

Dude, read an econ book. The money has to come from somewhere. Hint: taxes. You think just because you don't pay for a garage it's actually just "free" and built/maintained by jesus or something?

Lol. You must be a troll account. Nobody can be this stupid.

But taxes are based on income (except sales tax), where this new charge is the same for all. The hit to your wallet isn't the same as the hit to someone making (presumably) much less.

I have less and less patience for affluent people saying "Think of low-income people!" when it comes to policies the affluent people don't like.

Something that really hurts low-income people: having to choose between slow transit, expensive Uber/Lyft, or expensive cars if they want to be able to do the things they need to do (including getting to and from work)

Something that WAY down the list of hurting low-income people: charging a dollar or two per hour for parking in county-owned garages in three limited areas in the county during limited hours on one additional day per week

quit being reasonable here.