Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have been physically disabled from birth. The ableism in every aspect of every day life is rampant and most people don’t even acknowledge it or care. Just remember, we are a group any person can suddenly find themselves a member of at any time. Don’t wait until then to re-evaluate.

I guarantee you there was not a single person with a physical disability that affected mobility in any part of the planning proceeds. There never is. It just doesn’t occur to people to actually ask people who are disabled what they might need or what might be an obstacle. Not before or after the fact. Ever. It just doesn’t cross anyone’s mind, to think maybe we should add some disability advocates or engineers on this project to make sure we are doing it right. Nope. Never. Seriously never.

This is how we end up with this crap. With lack of accessible curb cuts, with restaurant outdoor seating pods taking up all the disability parking, with bike lanes prevent access to the sidewalk, with idiots parking in the crosshatch next to a disabled space that prevents van access so the van ramp cannot be used, etc. We struggle and fight everyday. I’m so tired.

As for the Alexandria bike lane for blind people someone posted a few pages back, I am very familiar with that situation. The man who rules BPAC, a very successful BIL lobbyist group, volunteers with a blind cyclist organization that has blind people paired with non kind people to ride those double bikes together so the blind people can experience what it’s like to ride a bike. He had a bunch of blind people he knew through this organization contact the city stating that they thought it was too dangerous to cross seminary near Ft Williams, and that their lives depended on the city doing the road diet, adding the bike lanes, and putting a crosswalk in that was conveniently located directly in front of the BPAC’s head house. NONE of those blind people lived in that neighborhood. It was all orchestrated and calculated by BPAC and then his daughter told everyone about how clever he was. So basically he used his friends with disabilities for personal gain.

Same old same old.

Your problem isn’t bike lanes. It’s people who think they deserve free off-street parking. We could reserve 4 spaces (one at each end of the block) for disables pick up/drop off. That would never happen. Don’t blame accessibility issues on transit advocates. Place blame where it belongs: the selfish car drivers.

Your ableism is disgusting. Unless you’re physically disabled don’t ever tell me what I need or do re accessibility. GTFOH and have some self awareness.

How is it “ableism” to propose a MORE accessible design than we have currently (with or without bike lanes?)

Do you even know what ableism is as you try to “explain” accessibility to a disabled person and why the disabled person’s view is wrong but the nondisabled person is right, of course. Are you always such a bigot? Please recognize your own faults and educate yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been physically disabled from birth. The ableism in every aspect of every day life is rampant and most people don’t even acknowledge it or care. Just remember, we are a group any person can suddenly find themselves a member of at any time. Don’t wait until then to re-evaluate.

I guarantee you there was not a single person with a physical disability that affected mobility in any part of the planning proceeds. There never is. It just doesn’t occur to people to actually ask people who are disabled what they might need or what might be an obstacle. Not before or after the fact. Ever. It just doesn’t cross anyone’s mind, to think maybe we should add some disability advocates or engineers on this project to make sure we are doing it right. Nope. Never. Seriously never.

This is how we end up with this crap. With lack of accessible curb cuts, with restaurant outdoor seating pods taking up all the disability parking, with bike lanes prevent access to the sidewalk, with idiots parking in the crosshatch next to a disabled space that prevents van access so the van ramp cannot be used, etc. We struggle and fight everyday. I’m so tired.

As for the Alexandria bike lane for blind people someone posted a few pages back, I am very familiar with that situation. The man who rules BPAC, a very successful BIL lobbyist group, volunteers with a blind cyclist organization that has blind people paired with non kind people to ride those double bikes together so the blind people can experience what it’s like to ride a bike. He had a bunch of blind people he knew through this organization contact the city stating that they thought it was too dangerous to cross seminary near Ft Williams, and that their lives depended on the city doing the road diet, adding the bike lanes, and putting a crosswalk in that was conveniently located directly in front of the BPAC’s head house. NONE of those blind people lived in that neighborhood. It was all orchestrated and calculated by BPAC and then his daughter told everyone about how clever he was. So basically he used his friends with disabilities for personal gain.

Same old same old.

Your problem isn’t bike lanes. It’s people who think they deserve free off-street parking. We could reserve 4 spaces (one at each end of the block) for disables pick up/drop off. That would never happen. Don’t blame accessibility issues on transit advocates. Place blame where it belongs: the selfish car drivers.

Your ableism is disgusting. Unless you’re physically disabled don’t ever tell me what I need or do re accessibility. GTFOH and have some self awareness.

How is it “ableism” to propose a MORE accessible design than we have currently (with or without bike lanes?)

Do you even know what ableism is as you try to “explain” accessibility to a disabled person and why the disabled person’s view is wrong but the nondisabled person is right, of course. Are you always such a bigot? Please recognize your own faults and educate yourself.

Can you please explain why four reserved disabled pickup/drop off spots on each block, located adjacent to a curb cut, would be an “ableist” solution?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have to figure out how everyone can share the roads together. We all have rights to them no matter the modality.

Read the lawsuit. It says that there are ways to accommodate both public transit with full access to the curb plus bicycles. However, the district intentionally selected a plan that did not include ADA accommodations for both drivers and passengers. The current plants require disabled drivers and passengers to stop and unload and assemble/configure their wheelchair in an actively used bicycle lane then have to direct their wheelchair to the nearest corner for them to access the curb and sidewalk.

The way to accomplish what you suggest is for the district to follow the federal law and select a plan that allows ADA accessible access to the curb and sidewalk without having to disembark their vehicles or public transit in active traffic lanes and to travel in the street to a corner in order to access the sidewalk. There are several proposed options, but the district ignored all of them when selecting their design plans. The lawsuit is trying to force them to reconsider and use one of the ADA accessible options.

How is this different from the current state of affairs? Right now, they still have to exit into an active lane of traffic and assemble the wheelchair in a treebox, or walk to the corner to get to a curbcut. If anything this is an improvement because they could assemble the wheelchair in the bikelane, then take the bikelane to the curb cut. This is a cheap attack on bike lanes.

You can't understand why I want my child on the safety of the grass ad not in traffic? Really? Do you let your child play in traffic, or is it just those of us whose children use wheelchairs that you think should do so?

I don't think you take your child out into the treebox, no. I think you step a few feet down and take them out directly onto the side walk. Same way you will into the bike lane. The bike lane may even be better because it will be easier to navigate obstructions on the side walk - your door doesn't open immediately into the tree box.

Except when a bike is coming. Then the bike runs into the child in the wheelchair. Ok by you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have to figure out how everyone can share the roads together. We all have rights to them no matter the modality.

Great. How about we start with making sure the handful of loudest complainers at the table don't get to make everyone else suffer?

This.

Bikers can easily ride on parallel side streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been physically disabled from birth. The ableism in every aspect of every day life is rampant and most people don’t even acknowledge it or care. Just remember, we are a group any person can suddenly find themselves a member of at any time. Don’t wait until then to re-evaluate.

I guarantee you there was not a single person with a physical disability that affected mobility in any part of the planning proceeds. There never is. It just doesn’t occur to people to actually ask people who are disabled what they might need or what might be an obstacle. Not before or after the fact. Ever. It just doesn’t cross anyone’s mind, to think maybe we should add some disability advocates or engineers on this project to make sure we are doing it right. Nope. Never. Seriously never.

This is how we end up with this crap. With lack of accessible curb cuts, with restaurant outdoor seating pods taking up all the disability parking, with bike lanes prevent access to the sidewalk, with idiots parking in the crosshatch next to a disabled space that prevents van access so the van ramp cannot be used, etc. We struggle and fight everyday. I’m so tired.

As for the Alexandria bike lane for blind people someone posted a few pages back, I am very familiar with that situation. The man who rules BPAC, a very successful BIL lobbyist group, volunteers with a blind cyclist organization that has blind people paired with non kind people to ride those double bikes together so the blind people can experience what it’s like to ride a bike. He had a bunch of blind people he knew through this organization contact the city stating that they thought it was too dangerous to cross seminary near Ft Williams, and that their lives depended on the city doing the road diet, adding the bike lanes, and putting a crosswalk in that was conveniently located directly in front of the BPAC’s head house. NONE of those blind people lived in that neighborhood. It was all orchestrated and calculated by BPAC and then his daughter told everyone about how clever he was. So basically he used his friends with disabilities for personal gain.

Same old same old.

Your problem isn’t bike lanes. It’s people who think they deserve free off-street parking. We could reserve 4 spaces (one at each end of the block) for disables pick up/drop off. That would never happen. Don’t blame accessibility issues on transit advocates. Place blame where it belongs: the selfish car drivers.

Your ableism is disgusting. Unless you’re physically disabled don’t ever tell me what I need or do re accessibility. GTFOH and have some self awareness.

How is it “ableism” to propose a MORE accessible design than we have currently (with or without bike lanes?)

Do you even know what ableism is as you try to “explain” accessibility to a disabled person and why the disabled person’s view is wrong but the nondisabled person is right, of course. Are you always such a bigot? Please recognize your own faults and educate yourself.

Can you please explain why four reserved disabled pickup/drop off spots on each block, located adjacent to a curb cut, would be an “ableist” solution?

You’re an amazing combination of arrogant and stupid. Before you presume whatever cockamamie idea you have satisfies the ADA and the needs of the disabled you should first start with understanding what the ADA requires and asking the disabled how to best serve their needs.

The fact that you are out here plumb ignorant like this is fascinating.

DP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is ironic that one of the businesses on Connecticut in opposition to the bike lanes has an ableist sign in its window.

https://twitter.com/BeauFinleyANC3C/status/1596655515878424578

Ironic how? I don’t think you know what irony means.

The Plaintiffs in question are suing related to the existing 17th street bike lanes being non-compliant with the ADA. The Plaintiffs have been clear that they are not opposed to bike lanes per se but only want DC to follow the law.

Your glib post lacks basic understanding of the lawsuit and the needs of people with disabilities.

Oh, they made it clear?

“DDOT has undertaken an aggressive program to provide hundreds of miles of protected bicycle lanes all while ignoring pleas to consider ADA accessibility and equal access for those who move around the District in ways other than by bicycle.”

"We aim to remedy this systemic discrimination by the District against residents as well as visitors with mobility disabilities who are prohibited from moving about this beautiful city with the same freedom and ease as those without disabilities,” says Richard A. Simms, Executive Director, the District of Columbia Center for Independent Living, Inc. (DCCIL)

Yep, sure sounds like its *just* limited to the 17th street bike lane.

Yep. This a cheap political stunt masquerading as a lawsuit. It's too bad the local media is not smart enough to see if for what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is ironic that one of the businesses on Connecticut in opposition to the bike lanes has an ableist sign in its window.

https://twitter.com/BeauFinleyANC3C/status/1596655515878424578

Ironic how? I don’t think you know what irony means.

The Plaintiffs in question are suing related to the existing 17th street bike lanes being non-compliant with the ADA. The Plaintiffs have been clear that they are not opposed to bike lanes per se but only want DC to follow the law.

Your glib post lacks basic understanding of the lawsuit and the needs of people with disabilities.

Oh, they made it clear?

“DDOT has undertaken an aggressive program to provide hundreds of miles of protected bicycle lanes all while ignoring pleas to consider ADA accessibility and equal access for those who move around the District in ways other than by bicycle.”

"We aim to remedy this systemic discrimination by the District against residents as well as visitors with mobility disabilities who are prohibited from moving about this beautiful city with the same freedom and ease as those without disabilities,” says Richard A. Simms, Executive Director, the District of Columbia Center for Independent Living, Inc. (DCCIL)

Yep, sure sounds like its *just* limited to the 17th street bike lane.

Yep. This a cheap political stunt masquerading as a lawsuit. It's too bad the local media is not smart enough to see if for what it is.

DCCIL is the most prominent disability advocates in the city. You’re really showing your *ss by attacking them and in turn it exposes how deranged you and other cycling advocates are. Please keep doing it! I beg you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is ironic that one of the businesses on Connecticut in opposition to the bike lanes has an ableist sign in its window.

https://twitter.com/BeauFinleyANC3C/status/1596655515878424578

Ironic how? I don’t think you know what irony means.

The Plaintiffs in question are suing related to the existing 17th street bike lanes being non-compliant with the ADA. The Plaintiffs have been clear that they are not opposed to bike lanes per se but only want DC to follow the law.

Your glib post lacks basic understanding of the lawsuit and the needs of people with disabilities.

Oh, they made it clear?

“DDOT has undertaken an aggressive program to provide hundreds of miles of protected bicycle lanes all while ignoring pleas to consider ADA accessibility and equal access for those who move around the District in ways other than by bicycle.”

"We aim to remedy this systemic discrimination by the District against residents as well as visitors with mobility disabilities who are prohibited from moving about this beautiful city with the same freedom and ease as those without disabilities,” says Richard A. Simms, Executive Director, the District of Columbia Center for Independent Living, Inc. (DCCIL)

Yep, sure sounds like its *just* limited to the 17th street bike lane.

Yep. This a cheap political stunt masquerading as a lawsuit. It's too bad the local media is not smart enough to see if for what it is.

DCCIL is the most prominent disability advocates in the city. You’re really showing your *ss by attacking them and in turn it exposes how deranged you and other cycling advocates are. Please keep doing it! I beg you.

I didn’t know there were know other parties to that lawsuit. I also didn’t realize that the other parties had a long history of advocating for disability causes. You can throw as many naughty words as you want but anyone who bothers to read the lawsuit can see it exactly for what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is ironic that one of the businesses on Connecticut in opposition to the bike lanes has an ableist sign in its window.

https://twitter.com/BeauFinleyANC3C/status/1596655515878424578

Ironic how? I don’t think you know what irony means.

The Plaintiffs in question are suing related to the existing 17th street bike lanes being non-compliant with the ADA. The Plaintiffs have been clear that they are not opposed to bike lanes per se but only want DC to follow the law.

Your glib post lacks basic understanding of the lawsuit and the needs of people with disabilities.

Oh, they made it clear?

“DDOT has undertaken an aggressive program to provide hundreds of miles of protected bicycle lanes all while ignoring pleas to consider ADA accessibility and equal access for those who move around the District in ways other than by bicycle.”

"We aim to remedy this systemic discrimination by the District against residents as well as visitors with mobility disabilities who are prohibited from moving about this beautiful city with the same freedom and ease as those without disabilities,” says Richard A. Simms, Executive Director, the District of Columbia Center for Independent Living, Inc. (DCCIL)

Yep, sure sounds like its *just* limited to the 17th street bike lane.

Yep. This a cheap political stunt masquerading as a lawsuit. It's too bad the local media is not smart enough to see if for what it is.

DCCIL is the most prominent disability advocates in the city. You’re really showing your *ss by attacking them and in turn it exposes how deranged you and other cycling advocates are. Please keep doing it! I beg you.

I didn’t know there were know other parties to that lawsuit. I also didn’t realize that the other parties had a long history of advocating for disability causes. You can throw as many naughty words as you want but anyone who bothers to read the lawsuit can see it exactly for what it is.

Attacking the disabled is a pretty dumb. Hope this helps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have to figure out how everyone can share the roads together. We all have rights to them no matter the modality.

Read the lawsuit. It says that there are ways to accommodate both public transit with full access to the curb plus bicycles. However, the district intentionally selected a plan that did not include ADA accommodations for both drivers and passengers. The current plants require disabled drivers and passengers to stop and unload and assemble/configure their wheelchair in an actively used bicycle lane then have to direct their wheelchair to the nearest corner for them to access the curb and sidewalk.

The way to accomplish what you suggest is for the district to follow the federal law and select a plan that allows ADA accessible access to the curb and sidewalk without having to disembark their vehicles or public transit in active traffic lanes and to travel in the street to a corner in order to access the sidewalk. There are several proposed options, but the district ignored all of them when selecting their design plans. The lawsuit is trying to force them to reconsider and use one of the ADA accessible options.

How is this different from the current state of affairs? Right now, they still have to exit into an active lane of traffic and assemble the wheelchair in a treebox, or walk to the corner to get to a curbcut. If anything this is an improvement because they could assemble the wheelchair in the bikelane, then take the bikelane to the curb cut. This is a cheap attack on bike lanes.

You can't understand why I want my child on the safety of the grass ad not in traffic? Really? Do you let your child play in traffic, or is it just those of us whose children use wheelchairs that you think should do so?

I don't think you take your child out into the treebox, no. I think you step a few feet down and take them out directly onto the side walk. Same way you will into the bike lane. The bike lane may even be better because it will be easier to navigate obstructions on the side walk - your door doesn't open immediately into the tree box.

Except when a bike is coming. Then the bike runs into the child in the wheelchair. Ok by you?

Without the bike lane you’d be walking in the car lane. So seems like an improvement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been physically disabled from birth. The ableism in every aspect of every day life is rampant and most people don’t even acknowledge it or care. Just remember, we are a group any person can suddenly find themselves a member of at any time. Don’t wait until then to re-evaluate.

I guarantee you there was not a single person with a physical disability that affected mobility in any part of the planning proceeds. There never is. It just doesn’t occur to people to actually ask people who are disabled what they might need or what might be an obstacle. Not before or after the fact. Ever. It just doesn’t cross anyone’s mind, to think maybe we should add some disability advocates or engineers on this project to make sure we are doing it right. Nope. Never. Seriously never.

This is how we end up with this crap. With lack of accessible curb cuts, with restaurant outdoor seating pods taking up all the disability parking, with bike lanes prevent access to the sidewalk, with idiots parking in the crosshatch next to a disabled space that prevents van access so the van ramp cannot be used, etc. We struggle and fight everyday. I’m so tired.

As for the Alexandria bike lane for blind people someone posted a few pages back, I am very familiar with that situation. The man who rules BPAC, a very successful BIL lobbyist group, volunteers with a blind cyclist organization that has blind people paired with non kind people to ride those double bikes together so the blind people can experience what it’s like to ride a bike. He had a bunch of blind people he knew through this organization contact the city stating that they thought it was too dangerous to cross seminary near Ft Williams, and that their lives depended on the city doing the road diet, adding the bike lanes, and putting a crosswalk in that was conveniently located directly in front of the BPAC’s head house. NONE of those blind people lived in that neighborhood. It was all orchestrated and calculated by BPAC and then his daughter told everyone about how clever he was. So basically he used his friends with disabilities for personal gain.

Same old same old.

Your problem isn’t bike lanes. It’s people who think they deserve free off-street parking. We could reserve 4 spaces (one at each end of the block) for disables pick up/drop off. That would never happen. Don’t blame accessibility issues on transit advocates. Place blame where it belongs: the selfish car drivers.

Your ableism is disgusting. Unless you’re physically disabled don’t ever tell me what I need or do re accessibility. GTFOH and have some self awareness.

How is it “ableism” to propose a MORE accessible design than we have currently (with or without bike lanes?)

Do you even know what ableism is as you try to “explain” accessibility to a disabled person and why the disabled person’s view is wrong but the nondisabled person is right, of course. Are you always such a bigot? Please recognize your own faults and educate yourself.

Can you please explain why four reserved disabled pickup/drop off spots on each block, located adjacent to a curb cut, would be an “ableist” solution?

You’re an amazing combination of arrogant and stupid. Before you presume whatever cockamamie idea you have satisfies the ADA and the needs of the disabled you should first start with understanding what the ADA requires and asking the disabled how to best serve their needs.

The fact that you are out here plumb ignorant like this is fascinating.

DP.

The fact that you refuse to respond to this concept (which IMO increases accessibility over what we have now) shows you are arguing in bad faith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is ironic that one of the businesses on Connecticut in opposition to the bike lanes has an ableist sign in its window.

https://twitter.com/BeauFinleyANC3C/status/1596655515878424578

Ironic how? I don’t think you know what irony means.

The Plaintiffs in question are suing related to the existing 17th street bike lanes being non-compliant with the ADA. The Plaintiffs have been clear that they are not opposed to bike lanes per se but only want DC to follow the law.

Your glib post lacks basic understanding of the lawsuit and the needs of people with disabilities.

Oh, they made it clear?

“DDOT has undertaken an aggressive program to provide hundreds of miles of protected bicycle lanes all while ignoring pleas to consider ADA accessibility and equal access for those who move around the District in ways other than by bicycle.”

"We aim to remedy this systemic discrimination by the District against residents as well as visitors with mobility disabilities who are prohibited from moving about this beautiful city with the same freedom and ease as those without disabilities,” says Richard A. Simms, Executive Director, the District of Columbia Center for Independent Living, Inc. (DCCIL)

Yep, sure sounds like its *just* limited to the 17th street bike lane.

Yep. This a cheap political stunt masquerading as a lawsuit. It's too bad the local media is not smart enough to see if for what it is.

DCCIL is the most prominent disability advocates in the city. You’re really showing your *ss by attacking them and in turn it exposes how deranged you and other cycling advocates are. Please keep doing it! I beg you.

It’s a money grab for attorneys fees. If they are teaming up with the likes of that nutcase then they don’t really have much credibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is ironic that one of the businesses on Connecticut in opposition to the bike lanes has an ableist sign in its window.

https://twitter.com/BeauFinleyANC3C/status/1596655515878424578

Ironic how? I don’t think you know what irony means.

The Plaintiffs in question are suing related to the existing 17th street bike lanes being non-compliant with the ADA. The Plaintiffs have been clear that they are not opposed to bike lanes per se but only want DC to follow the law.

Your glib post lacks basic understanding of the lawsuit and the needs of people with disabilities.

Oh, they made it clear?

“DDOT has undertaken an aggressive program to provide hundreds of miles of protected bicycle lanes all while ignoring pleas to consider ADA accessibility and equal access for those who move around the District in ways other than by bicycle.”

"We aim to remedy this systemic discrimination by the District against residents as well as visitors with mobility disabilities who are prohibited from moving about this beautiful city with the same freedom and ease as those without disabilities,” says Richard A. Simms, Executive Director, the District of Columbia Center for Independent Living, Inc. (DCCIL)

Yep, sure sounds like its *just* limited to the 17th street bike lane.

Yep. This a cheap political stunt masquerading as a lawsuit. It's too bad the local media is not smart enough to see if for what it is.

DCCIL is the most prominent disability advocates in the city. You’re really showing your *ss by attacking them and in turn it exposes how deranged you and other cycling advocates are. Please keep doing it! I beg you.

I didn’t know there were know other parties to that lawsuit. I also didn’t realize that the other parties had a long history of advocating for disability causes. You can throw as many naughty words as you want but anyone who bothers to read the lawsuit can see it exactly for what it is.

Attacking the disabled is a pretty dumb. Hope this helps.

It would be. But that's not what anyone here is doing. Hope that helps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been physically disabled from birth. The ableism in every aspect of every day life is rampant and most people don’t even acknowledge it or care. Just remember, we are a group any person can suddenly find themselves a member of at any time. Don’t wait until then to re-evaluate.

I guarantee you there was not a single person with a physical disability that affected mobility in any part of the planning proceeds. There never is. It just doesn’t occur to people to actually ask people who are disabled what they might need or what might be an obstacle. Not before or after the fact. Ever. It just doesn’t cross anyone’s mind, to think maybe we should add some disability advocates or engineers on this project to make sure we are doing it right. Nope. Never. Seriously never.

This is how we end up with this crap. With lack of accessible curb cuts, with restaurant outdoor seating pods taking up all the disability parking, with bike lanes prevent access to the sidewalk, with idiots parking in the crosshatch next to a disabled space that prevents van access so the van ramp cannot be used, etc. We struggle and fight everyday. I’m so tired.

As for the Alexandria bike lane for blind people someone posted a few pages back, I am very familiar with that situation. The man who rules BPAC, a very successful BIL lobbyist group, volunteers with a blind cyclist organization that has blind people paired with non kind people to ride those double bikes together so the blind people can experience what it’s like to ride a bike. He had a bunch of blind people he knew through this organization contact the city stating that they thought it was too dangerous to cross seminary near Ft Williams, and that their lives depended on the city doing the road diet, adding the bike lanes, and putting a crosswalk in that was conveniently located directly in front of the BPAC’s head house. NONE of those blind people lived in that neighborhood. It was all orchestrated and calculated by BPAC and then his daughter told everyone about how clever he was. So basically he used his friends with disabilities for personal gain.

Same old same old.

Your problem isn’t bike lanes. It’s people who think they deserve free off-street parking. We could reserve 4 spaces (one at each end of the block) for disables pick up/drop off. That would never happen. Don’t blame accessibility issues on transit advocates. Place blame where it belongs: the selfish car drivers.

Your ableism is disgusting. Unless you’re physically disabled don’t ever tell me what I need or do re accessibility. GTFOH and have some self awareness.

How is it “ableism” to propose a MORE accessible design than we have currently (with or without bike lanes?)

Do you even know what ableism is as you try to “explain” accessibility to a disabled person and why the disabled person’s view is wrong but the nondisabled person is right, of course. Are you always such a bigot? Please recognize your own faults and educate yourself.

Can you please explain why four reserved disabled pickup/drop off spots on each block, located adjacent to a curb cut, would be an “ableist” solution?

You’re an amazing combination of arrogant and stupid. Before you presume whatever cockamamie idea you have satisfies the ADA and the needs of the disabled you should first start with understanding what the ADA requires and asking the disabled how to best serve their needs.

The fact that you are out here plumb ignorant like this is fascinating.

DP.

If only your grasp of the law and basic logic were as strong as your exotic insults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been physically disabled from birth. The ableism in every aspect of every day life is rampant and most people don’t even acknowledge it or care. Just remember, we are a group any person can suddenly find themselves a member of at any time. Don’t wait until then to re-evaluate.

I guarantee you there was not a single person with a physical disability that affected mobility in any part of the planning proceeds. There never is. It just doesn’t occur to people to actually ask people who are disabled what they might need or what might be an obstacle. Not before or after the fact. Ever. It just doesn’t cross anyone’s mind, to think maybe we should add some disability advocates or engineers on this project to make sure we are doing it right. Nope. Never. Seriously never.

This is how we end up with this crap. With lack of accessible curb cuts, with restaurant outdoor seating pods taking up all the disability parking, with bike lanes prevent access to the sidewalk, with idiots parking in the crosshatch next to a disabled space that prevents van access so the van ramp cannot be used, etc. We struggle and fight everyday. I’m so tired.

As for the Alexandria bike lane for blind people someone posted a few pages back, I am very familiar with that situation. The man who rules BPAC, a very successful BIL lobbyist group, volunteers with a blind cyclist organization that has blind people paired with non kind people to ride those double bikes together so the blind people can experience what it’s like to ride a bike. He had a bunch of blind people he knew through this organization contact the city stating that they thought it was too dangerous to cross seminary near Ft Williams, and that their lives depended on the city doing the road diet, adding the bike lanes, and putting a crosswalk in that was conveniently located directly in front of the BPAC’s head house. NONE of those blind people lived in that neighborhood. It was all orchestrated and calculated by BPAC and then his daughter told everyone about how clever he was. So basically he used his friends with disabilities for personal gain.

Same old same old.

Your problem isn’t bike lanes. It’s people who think they deserve free off-street parking. We could reserve 4 spaces (one at each end of the block) for disables pick up/drop off. That would never happen. Don’t blame accessibility issues on transit advocates. Place blame where it belongs: the selfish car drivers.

Your ableism is disgusting. Unless you’re physically disabled don’t ever tell me what I need or do re accessibility. GTFOH and have some self awareness.

How is it “ableism” to propose a MORE accessible design than we have currently (with or without bike lanes?)

Do you even know what ableism is as you try to “explain” accessibility to a disabled person and why the disabled person’s view is wrong but the nondisabled person is right, of course. Are you always such a bigot? Please recognize your own faults and educate yourself.

Can you please explain why four reserved disabled pickup/drop off spots on each block, located adjacent to a curb cut, would be an “ableist” solution?

You’re an amazing combination of arrogant and stupid. Before you presume whatever cockamamie idea you have satisfies the ADA and the needs of the disabled you should first start with understanding what the ADA requires and asking the disabled how to best serve their needs.

The fact that you are out here plumb ignorant like this is fascinating.

DP.

If only your grasp of the law and basic logic were as strong as your exotic insults.

I apologize for being an uneducated peasant. Can you please educate me on what the ADA requires and how that is verified?