Why a Large Flagship/Public?

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan has no where near 10,000 students in its freshman class.

Unless you consider 8000 to be close to 10,000.

Unless you consider 7,290 to be 8,000, let alone 10,000.

Not that it really matters enough to keep nitpicking since any of these numbers still mean it's a very large class, but their Common Data Set has them at over 8000 when you include 'other first-year, degree-seeking students', which I did since they're technically freshmen, just not first-semester freshmen.

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OP here. The fact that anybody would quibble over the difference between 8,000 and 10,000 FRESHMEN students, not even an entire school but just the entering class, pretty much reinforces my initial low interest in sending my kid to a huge school with numbers at this scale.

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Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.

For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.

I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."

Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.

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At University of Michigan at Ann Arbor only 5% of the undergrads are Black. Only 6% are Latino. We can safely assume that many students among these are Caribbean Blacks or foreign born Latinos. That is NOT diverse.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. The fact that anybody would quibble over the difference between 8,000 and 10,000 FRESHMEN students, not even an entire school but just the entering class, pretty much reinforces my initial low interest in sending my kid to a huge school with numbers at this scale.

Then don't, nobody cares. Just hope your kid doesn't want a big school but that's between the two of you since you're "sending" them, good luck and best wishes to your child.

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20% of the undergrads at Princeton and Wesleyan are Black or Latino. USF has over 20% of the class that is just Latinos.

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Anonymous wrote:At University of Michigan at Ann Arbor only 5% of the undergrads are Black. Only 6% are Latino. We can safely assume that many students among these are Caribbean Blacks or foreign born Latinos. That is NOT diverse.

Their most recent Common Data Set says 7% Latino and 4% Black. Nonresident aliens (7%) are a separate category, so none of that 7%/4% are from the Caribbean or elsewhere; personally, I would include this group as contributing to diversity.

And I guess you don't count those who are biracial or of Asian descent as adding to diversity? That adds another 5% and 16% respectively.

55% are American-born Whites, though, so it's not as diverse as some of its competitors.

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Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.

For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.

I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."

Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.

"students of color" don't mean much. Not PP you are responding to but I avoid SLACS for same reason. I'm black. Looking for black people. Not students of color. Vasser for example has 4% black people. Wesleyan has 3.2% Etc.....No thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.

For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.

I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."

Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.

"students of color" don't mean much. Not PP you are responding to but I avoid SLACS for same reason. I'm black. Looking for black people. Not students of color. Vasser for example has 4% black people. Wesleyan has 3.2% Etc.....No thanks!

Then you need look no further than a HBCU.

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Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.

For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.

I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."

Nobody is real life actually cares about “diversity.” It’s all bogus and smoke and mirrors. Ideally, I want my kids are smart, ambitious and rich — I frankly could not care less about the racial makeup.

Good for you. Not everyone is racists. Many people care about diversity. My kids did in picking schools and they are as white as they come. One is at Harvard and the other is at UMD College Park. They're both happy.

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Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.

For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.

I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."

Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.

"students of color" don't mean much. Not PP you are responding to but I avoid SLACS for same reason. I'm black. Looking for black people. Not students of color. Vasser for example has 4% black people. Wesleyan has 3.2% Etc.....No thanks!

Then you need look no further than a HBCU.

I did undergrad at an HBCU and did my masters at Stanford for electrical engineering. My son is now looking at HBCUs and diverse non-HBCUs. There are schools that bring in more than 3 and 4% black undergrad students. They're not SLACS.

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Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.

For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.

I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."

Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.

Just to be clear: Oxy has only 5% black students. https://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/california/occidental-college/students/

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Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.

For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.

I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."

Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.

"students of color" don't mean much. Not PP you are responding to but I avoid SLACS for same reason. I'm black. Looking for black people. Not students of color. Vasser for example has 4% black people. Wesleyan has 3.2% Etc.....No thanks!

If someone means they're looking for Black students, I assume they'd say so rather than using the euphemism of 'diversity'. But if that's what was meant, then you're both correct that LACs are less likely to yield what you're hoping for.

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Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.

For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.

I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."

Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.

"students of color" don't mean much. Not PP you are responding to but I avoid SLACS for same reason. I'm black. Looking for black people. Not students of color. Vasser for example has 4% black people. Wesleyan has 3.2% Etc.....No thanks!

Then you need look no further than a HBCU.

That's really unnecessary. I'm not the PP, am white, but attended a 60 W/30 AA/10 AAPI+Latino HS, which is now 40 AA/30 W/15 Latino/15 AAPI. A couple of my classmates went for HBCUs, but a number of them simply wanted to attend an integrated school where African Americans comprised definitely more than 10% of the class.