What are the new TJ feeders

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't the new admissions policy have the biggest gains for economically disadvantaged Asian students?

Yes.

https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
Pg 7
“we are satisfied that the challenged admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students”

page 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."




And...

There are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

Asian students still make up the majority of students.

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):


The data also shows that Asian students were still accepted at a higher rate than almost all other groups, aside from Hispanic students. The acceptance rate for Asian students drives the mean since they comprise such a large % of applicants and acceptances.

Asian 19%
Black 14% (5% lower)
Multiracial/Other* 13% (6% lower)
Hispanic 21%
White 17%

Can you update the chart?

Because the only group that seems to have decreased is asians while every other group increased.
That really seems like an attempt to racially balance the school

Except the number of Asian students enrolled at TJ has not decreased.

If you look at the four years before the admissions change and the four years after, there are on average MORE Asian students at TJ today.



It wasn't about reducing the number of Asian students; it was about adding others. It wasn't zero sum - they added seats to open up access to kids from across the county. There are just as many Asian students there today as there were before.

What about the percentages?

from another thread:

Along with the admissions change, the total number of seats were expanded by 100 seats, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. There are consistently 1200+ declined Asian applicants each year, largest among all ethnicities, and none of them are allowed to receive a single seat from the expanded seat quota.

As has been posted countless times, the numbers in this chart are WRONG (not to mention meaningless). Stop pushing false data.

You have hard time accepting facts. "the proportion of Asian Americans decreased from 73.05% to 54.36%", TJ wikipedia.

The graph is wrong. Fix it or delete it.

Here are the correct numbers:

2016 69%
2017 75%
2018 65%
2019 71%
2020 73%
2021 54%
2022 60%
2023 62%
2024 57%

Fix your graph or delete it.

Stop pushing misinformation.

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Anonymous wrote:All I hope is that FCPS doesn’t double down and expect people to pretend TJ is special or really a place for the best and the brightest any longer. It’s just a not very convincing demonstration project for FCPS to tout its flimsy commitment to promoting URMs within the system.

Was it though, really?

Yes, it is an amazing place for the right fit. My hope is that those kids still made it through this new process that devalued merit and focused on diversity factors.

Did you read the OP? If they ticked the wrong race, they did not

It’s a race blind process. Stop lying.

Yes, they're focused on pushing this false narrative, but if they had even a shred of evidence to support this baseless conspiracy theory, they could take it to court. They tried and failed miserably.

Yup. It’s election season and Republicans love to push their lies.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are saying kids run out of math classes - don't a lot of these kids start taking college level math NOVA at this point? I honestly don't know. Seems like the logical next step?

If NOVA at base schools was considered acceptable, TJ would have never existed in the first place. TJ academics are far more rigorous than NoVA courses of the same level.

TJHSST exists in the first place because (1) otherwise one of the three high schools in that general area - Annandale, Jefferson, or Stuart - would have been closed due to declining enrollments in the mid-80s; and (2) county officials, mostly Republican at the time, thought a STEM-oriented high school would help market Fairfax County to West Coast defense contractors looking to establish an East Coast presence in the Reagan era.

It wasn't created to meet a particular educational need, or because NOVA couldn't offer college-level math courses. You can argue TJHSST became something else over time, but it wasn't created originally because math classes at base high schools or NOVA were deemed lacking.

TJ was created in 1995.
Clinton was president and we were working on that "peace dividend"
TJ was created as a governors school to address the needs of the gifted.

I thought it started in the mid to late 80s.

Sorry typo. 1985

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are saying kids run out of math classes - don't a lot of these kids start taking college level math NOVA at this point? I honestly don't know. Seems like the logical next step?

If NOVA at base schools was considered acceptable, TJ would have never existed in the first place. TJ academics are far more rigorous than NoVA courses of the same level.

TJHSST exists in the first place because (1) otherwise one of the three high schools in that general area - Annandale, Jefferson, or Stuart - would have been closed due to declining enrollments in the mid-80s; and (2) county officials, mostly Republican at the time, thought a STEM-oriented high school would help market Fairfax County to West Coast defense contractors looking to establish an East Coast presence in the Reagan era.

It wasn't created to meet a particular educational need, or because NOVA couldn't offer college-level math courses. You can argue TJHSST became something else over time, but it wasn't created originally because math classes at base high schools or NOVA were deemed lacking.

TJ was created in 1995.
Clinton was president and we were working on that "peace dividend"
TJ was created as a governors school to address the needs of the gifted.

I thought it started in the mid to late 80s.

Sorry typo. 1985

So then it was reagan era.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are saying kids run out of math classes - don't a lot of these kids start taking college level math NOVA at this point? I honestly don't know. Seems like the logical next step?

If NOVA at base schools was considered acceptable, TJ would have never existed in the first place. TJ academics are far more rigorous than NoVA courses of the same level.

TJHSST exists in the first place because (1) otherwise one of the three high schools in that general area - Annandale, Jefferson, or Stuart - would have been closed due to declining enrollments in the mid-80s; and (2) county officials, mostly Republican at the time, thought a STEM-oriented high school would help market Fairfax County to West Coast defense contractors looking to establish an East Coast presence in the Reagan era.

It wasn't created to meet a particular educational need, or because NOVA couldn't offer college-level math courses. You can argue TJHSST became something else over time, but it wasn't created originally because math classes at base high schools or NOVA were deemed lacking.

TJ was created in 1995.
Clinton was president and we were working on that "peace dividend"
TJ was created as a governors school to address the needs of the gifted.

This is not correct: The school became Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology on December 20, 1984
The school board chose Thomas Jefferson High School as the location for the new magnet school in June 1984 and approved the funding in February 1985.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are saying kids run out of math classes - don't a lot of these kids start taking college level math NOVA at this point? I honestly don't know. Seems like the logical next step?

If NOVA at base schools was considered acceptable, TJ would have never existed in the first place. TJ academics are far more rigorous than NoVA courses of the same level.

TJHSST exists in the first place because (1) otherwise one of the three high schools in that general area - Annandale, Jefferson, or Stuart - would have been closed due to declining enrollments in the mid-80s; and (2) county officials, mostly Republican at the time, thought a STEM-oriented high school would help market Fairfax County to West Coast defense contractors looking to establish an East Coast presence in the Reagan era.

It wasn't created to meet a particular educational need, or because NOVA couldn't offer college-level math courses. You can argue TJHSST became something else over time, but it wasn't created originally because math classes at base high schools or NOVA were deemed lacking.

TJ was created in 1995.
Clinton was president and we were working on that "peace dividend"
TJ was created as a governors school to address the needs of the gifted.

You have your facts completely wrong. It was opened in the mid-80s and very much tied to increased defense spending in the Reagan-Bush era.

Meeting the “needs of the gifted” was a secondary concern at the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are saying kids run out of math classes - don't a lot of these kids start taking college level math NOVA at this point? I honestly don't know. Seems like the logical next step?

If NOVA at base schools was considered acceptable, TJ would have never existed in the first place. TJ academics are far more rigorous than NoVA courses of the same level.

TJHSST exists in the first place because (1) otherwise one of the three high schools in that general area - Annandale, Jefferson, or Stuart - would have been closed due to declining enrollments in the mid-80s; and (2) county officials, mostly Republican at the time, thought a STEM-oriented high school would help market Fairfax County to West Coast defense contractors looking to establish an East Coast presence in the Reagan era.

It wasn't created to meet a particular educational need, or because NOVA couldn't offer college-level math courses. You can argue TJHSST became something else over time, but it wasn't created originally because math classes at base high schools or NOVA were deemed lacking.

TJ was created in 1995.
Clinton was president and we were working on that "peace dividend"
TJ was created as a governors school to address the needs of the gifted.

You have your facts completely wrong. It was opened in the mid-80s and very much tied to increased defense spending in the Reagan-Bush era.

Meeting the “needs of the gifted” was a secondary concern at the time.

Do you have any sort of support for the notion that TJ was opened to attract defense contractors?

How was TJ going to attract more defense contractors.

Where is the wiki history of governor's schools:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor%27s_Schools_(Virginia)

And here is the Virginia Department of Education's description of the purpose of governor's schools:

"The Virginia Governor's School Program has been designed to assist divisions as they meet the needs of a small population of students whose learning levels are remarkably different from their age-level peers. The foundation of the Virginia Governor's School Program centers on best practices in the field of gifted education and the presentation of advanced content to able learners."

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching-learning-assessment/specialized-instruction/governor-s-schools

I see nothing about defense contractors or Reagan.
Do you have a source for any of this or are we supposed to just trust you?

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There was an old school in that same location with similar name, Thomas Jefferson High School (TJHS) which was closed and merged with Annandale High School, and the new governor school (current TJHSST) was phased in.

History of TJHS:
https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/history/closed/jefferson

History of TJHSST:
https://citizendium.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_High_School_for_Science_and_Technology