UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?

[Anonymous]

My husband's been wanting to do the Trans-Saharan highway for years. He hasn't gone because he's not stupid and listens to travel warnings, but hey, looks like he should totally go now because everyone supports boys being boys and blah blah blah Trump will rescue him if anything happens. MAGA!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this a partisan issue? I am a Democrat who has no love for N Korea.

Re-read this thread.

DP. You can't honestly believe that non-hypocritical conservatives also think Otto should have never been in NK. Requiring someone to think and take personal responsibility does not equate to lack of sympathy for his current medical condition. However, you must agree that it could have all beeen avoided.

I think that liberals are blaming Otto for what happened because he's a white 'frat boy'. He was on a legal and legitimate tour.

Sponsored by China. That the US State Department told him was dangerous. And color has nothing to do with stupid. You have to have money to be able to afford to fly to China and jump through the hoops to get a visa while in China and join a Chinese tour group. Beyond that, stupid is raceblind.

[Anonymous]

I feel sorry for the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel sorry for the parents.

Me too; now their son is a vegetable. It's unfortunate their son made such poor choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband's been wanting to do the Trans-Saharan highway for years. He hasn't gone because he's not stupid and listens to travel warnings, but hey, looks like he should totally go now because everyone supports boys being boys and blah blah blah Trump will rescue him if anything happens. MAGA!

Go for it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this a partisan issue? I am a Democrat who has no love for N Korea.

Re-read this thread.

DP. You can't honestly believe that non-hypocritical conservatives also think Otto should have never been in NK. Requiring someone to think and take personal responsibility does not equate to lack of sympathy for his current medical condition. However, you must agree that it could have all beeen avoided.

I think that liberals are blaming Otto for what happened because he's a white 'frat boy'. He was on a legal and legitimate tour.

When in Rome, do as the Romans. If the law says you don't remove political signs, you don't remove political signs.

In the end, this is what matters. When you are in another country, you follow their laws. If you don't like it, don't go. Your rights do not extend beyond US borders and every single country page on the State Department website has warned for years that local laws apply in other countries and if you break them, they can't help you. It doesn't matter if you think the law is stupid or wrong. I'm not even convinced that going to NK was the fatal mistake here--thousands of people have gone there as tourists, behaved themselves, and come back fine. If you are not prepared to toe the line exactly, you should not go. Warmbier didn't deserve the severity of these consequences but I 100% believe he swiped that sign because it sounds exactly like what a dumb college kid would do in an American hotel if he liked the bathrobe or the design on the matchbook covers or something. He should have known better. It's not like the North Koreans are secretive about how seriously they take this stuff and how draconian they can be. Bad choice, disproportionately bad consequences. I'm sorry for him, but this is not our government's responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Not sure if it is our government's responsibility or not. However I do think the fact that NK finally released him at this time indicates they do not want to further irritate our curent president.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband's been wanting to do the Trans-Saharan highway for years. He hasn't gone because he's not stupid and listens to travel warnings, but hey, looks like he should totally go now because everyone supports boys being boys and blah blah blah Trump will rescue him if anything happens. MAGA!

Are you comparing your DH to a 21 year old college kid? Sad!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta LOL. The Party of Personal Responsibility strikes again. People are responsible for doing stupid things. Unless they are wealthy white men. Or POTUS. In which case-- let's nuke them. Just awesome.

+1

White privilege at it's finest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this a partisan issue? I am a Democrat who has no love for N Korea.

Re-read this thread.

DP. You can't honestly believe that non-hypocritical conservatives also think Otto should have never been in NK. Requiring someone to think and take personal responsibility does not equate to lack of sympathy for his current medical condition. However, you must agree that it could have all beeen avoided.

I think that liberals are blaming Otto for what happened because he's a white 'frat boy'. He was on a legal and legitimate tour.

When in Rome, do as the Romans. If the law says you don't remove political signs, you don't remove political signs.

In the end, this is what matters. When you are in another country, you follow their laws. If you don't like it, don't go. Your rights do not extend beyond US borders and every single country page on the State Department website has warned for years that local laws apply in other countries and if you break them, they can't help you. It doesn't matter if you think the law is stupid or wrong. I'm not even convinced that going to NK was the fatal mistake here--thousands of people have gone there as tourists, behaved themselves, and come back fine. If you are not prepared to toe the line exactly, you should not go. Warmbier didn't deserve the severity of these consequences but I 100% believe he swiped that sign because it sounds exactly like what a dumb college kid would do in an American hotel if he liked the bathrobe or the design on the matchbook covers or something. He should have known better. It's not like the North Koreans are secretive about how seriously they take this stuff and how draconian they can be. Bad choice, disproportionately bad consequences. I'm sorry for him, but this is not our government's responsibility.

A legal and legitimate tour to Hong Kong or to North Korea?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if it is our government's responsibility or not. However I do think the fact that NK finally released him at this time indicates they do not want to further irritate our curent president.

North Korea knows a few things about capricious and insane dictators, so that makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if it is our government's responsibility or not. However I do think the fact that NK finally released him at this time indicates they do not want to further irritate our curent president.

I assumed it was because his condition had started to deteriorate and they knew he would die because they didn't either know how or did not have the equipment capable of keeping him alive.

I assumed that he was in his current state as the result of physical abuse. I also doubt he has been in this condition for a year. Maybe a few weeks? Possibly recent incident and then recent brain swelling that they didn't know how to treat and normally people would die from that situation in their country but once the State Dept started paying attention and asking questions, they realized that it was better to produce a live person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if it is our government's responsibility or not. However I do think the fact that NK finally released him at this time indicates they do not want to further irritate our curent president.

Maybe when Trump opens up his hotel in NK he can name the lobby bar IHO Otto.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this a partisan issue? I am a Democrat who has no love for N Korea.

Re-read this thread.

DP. You can't honestly believe that non-hypocritical conservatives also think Otto should have never been in NK. Requiring someone to think and take personal responsibility does not equate to lack of sympathy for his current medical condition. However, you must agree that it could have all beeen avoided.

I think that liberals are blaming Otto for what happened because he's a white 'frat boy'. He was on a legal and legitimate tour.

When in Rome, do as the Romans. If the law says you don't remove political signs, you don't remove political signs.

In the end, this is what matters. When you are in another country, you follow their laws. If you don't like it, don't go. Your rights do not extend beyond US borders and every single country page on the State Department website has warned for years that local laws apply in other countries and if you break them, they can't help you. It doesn't matter if you think the law is stupid or wrong. I'm not even convinced that going to NK was the fatal mistake here--thousands of people have gone there as tourists, behaved themselves, and come back fine. If you are not prepared to toe the line exactly, you should not go. Warmbier didn't deserve the severity of these consequences but I 100% believe he swiped that sign because it sounds exactly like what a dumb college kid would do in an American hotel if he liked the bathrobe or the design on the matchbook covers or something. He should have known better. It's not like the North Koreans are secretive about how seriously they take this stuff and how draconian they can be. Bad choice, disproportionately bad consequences. I'm sorry for him, but this is not our government's responsibility.

Screw you, you stupid apologist.

If the Republicans in charge take this sitting down and don't exact severe retribution on the sadistic North Korean dogs who deserve to burn in hell, we truly are just a third-world country now.

[Anonymous]

LOL, based on the stupid Rs posting here, Trump would be advised to start a war in N. Korea because...Otto! Then people will not be talking about his obstruction or collusion, they'll be nodding approvingly because..war. strong. Otto.