How is the elimination of APs going for your DC

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

So…you think a school like Harvard Westlake or Andover or STA or NCS are offering “lowest level” curriculum?

Andover does not offer AP courses. You appear to have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, AP courses are the lowest level curriculum which is why it is available at every public school including below average and low achieving ones.

One minute APs are the lowest of the low, the next minute APs ask too much and the teachers need the freedom to slow down and skip topics. But it’s definitely not a marketing move to extract money from foolish, snobby parents who are willing to pay for the opportunity to sniff at public school students. Definitely not.

The APs in the Humanities do NOT ask TOO MUCH. They ask for the WRONG kind of learning and require teachers to cover an absurdly long list of terms instead of spending time having students explore and understand material.

I know that you will never, ever, ever grasp that distinction, but I'll make it again for the benefit of other readers.

Put it this way - good grades at a private's humanities courses pretty much assure passing an AP exam. AP students, however, will not learn the actual college-level skills that good teachers can impart in that same classroom time allotment.

A large proportion of people will never grasp that memorization and learning are often not the same thing, often drastically not.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. You have a strange idea of what an AP class actually looks like in a strong classroom with a talented teacher. Do you really think H-WL and struggling city school are teaching their AP classes the exact same way? Are you for real under the impression that AP courses are memorization lessons?

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Anonymous wrote:This is fascinating. You save a fortune by going off to college with a bunch of APs and coming from public school my child was offered quite a few scholarships which also save us a lot of money. I cannot imagine paying private school tuition not to have the level of rigor guaranteed that is needed to pass an AP exam. I also cannot imagine colleges won't look down on this unless these are families that could potentially be massive donors. Who came up with this idea?

I myself went to private school and we had plenty of APs. I didn't send my own kids because I don't want them in a wealthy bubble.

You may save money or you may not. At most top schools, you get no credit for APs, so if you are a strong student at a top private looking to a top college, APs are unimportant.

It depends. Calculus AP often doesn't help you get credit if you are STEM major, but if you are in liberal arts it may. Often AP History is accepted. Look into it.

Most students are not going to attend the very few schools that do not offer AP credit. Maybe 5 or 6 kids from any given graduating class per year at any local school. The rest of the colleges will give credit to most students who have decent AP scores for most of the exams. You are arguing against offering AP tests because few kids might end up not getting credit if they choose a given college over other options they will also have.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

Troll. There is no such thing as one "AP program" or "curriculum."

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Anonymous wrote:AFAIK, the schools that don’t offer AP classes are only Landon, Holton, Maret, GDS, Potomac, and Sidwell. That’s more than 10% of area private schools (unless there really are 60 private high schools in the DMV), but not a majority.

There are more than 60 private high schools in the DMV.

Really? Is there a list somewhere? Serious question. I had no idea there were that many.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

So…you think a school like Harvard Westlake or Andover or STA or NCS are offering “lowest level” curriculum?

Andover does not offer AP courses. You appear to have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, AP courses are the lowest level curriculum which is why it is available at every public school including below average and low achieving ones.

One minute APs are the lowest of the low, the next minute APs ask too much and the teachers need the freedom to slow down and skip topics. But it’s definitely not a marketing move to extract money from foolish, snobby parents who are willing to pay for the opportunity to sniff at public school students. Definitely not.

The APs in the Humanities do NOT ask TOO MUCH. They ask for the WRONG kind of learning and require teachers to cover an absurdly long list of terms instead of spending time having students explore and understand material.

I know that you will never, ever, ever grasp that distinction, but I'll make it again for the benefit of other readers.

Put it this way - good grades at a private's humanities courses pretty much assure passing an AP exam. AP students, however, will not learn the actual college-level skills that good teachers can impart in that same classroom time allotment.

A large proportion of people will never grasp that memorization and learning are often not the same thing, often drastically not.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. You have a strange idea of what an AP class actually looks like in a strong classroom with a talented teacher. Do you really think H-WL and struggling city school are teaching their AP classes the exact same way? Are you for real under the impression that AP courses are memorization lessons?

Yes, they think that because they have no idea wtf they are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

Troll. There is no such thing as one "AP program" or "curriculum."

Yeah, I’ve read enough of this thread to know there is one particular troll here who keeps making the most outlandish comments possible about AP courses. It’s bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

Troll. There is no such thing as one "AP program" or "curriculum."

It would be troll behavior to deny that there is an AP program and an AP curriculum. While there is some variation, there are requirements for approval and ultimately any AP course is judged based on AP test scores requiring adherence to the AP exam prep curriculum. It restricts teachers and limits what students can learn.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

So…you think a school like Harvard Westlake or Andover or STA or NCS are offering “lowest level” curriculum?

Andover does not offer AP courses. You appear to have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, AP courses are the lowest level curriculum which is why it is available at every public school including below average and low achieving ones.

One minute APs are the lowest of the low, the next minute APs ask too much and the teachers need the freedom to slow down and skip topics. But it’s definitely not a marketing move to extract money from foolish, snobby parents who are willing to pay for the opportunity to sniff at public school students. Definitely not.

No college would follow the AP outline for teaching these courses. Colleges can do much better and so can good high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it closer to 50% at the elite privates?

What do you mean by "elite"? Schools with the wealthiest parents?

Elite high schools are private with sizable endowments and a track record of top college matriculation.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

Troll. There is no such thing as one "AP program" or "curriculum."

It would be troll behavior to deny that there is an AP program and an AP curriculum. While there is some variation, there are requirements for approval and ultimately any AP course is judged based on AP test scores requiring adherence to the AP exam prep curriculum. It restricts teachers and limits what students can learn.

A school doesn’t need to offer AP courses to be judged based on AP test scores. Despite not offering any AP tests, Sidwell is on the AP Honor Roll as a silver medal school. https://apcourseaudit.inflexion.org/ledger/school/ai/090200

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

So…you think a school like Harvard Westlake or Andover or STA or NCS are offering “lowest level” curriculum?

Andover does not offer AP courses. You appear to have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, AP courses are the lowest level curriculum which is why it is available at every public school including below average and low achieving ones.

One minute APs are the lowest of the low, the next minute APs ask too much and the teachers need the freedom to slow down and skip topics. But it’s definitely not a marketing move to extract money from foolish, snobby parents who are willing to pay for the opportunity to sniff at public school students. Definitely not.

No college would follow the AP outline for teaching these courses. Colleges can do much better and so can good high schools.

It’s funny that you have such a low opinion of AP courses and such a high opinion of college intro courses. It’s almost like you don’t know anything about either one.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

So…you think a school like Harvard Westlake or Andover or STA or NCS are offering “lowest level” curriculum?

Andover does not offer AP courses. You appear to have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, AP courses are the lowest level curriculum which is why it is available at every public school including below average and low achieving ones.

One minute APs are the lowest of the low, the next minute APs ask too much and the teachers need the freedom to slow down and skip topics. But it’s definitely not a marketing move to extract money from foolish, snobby parents who are willing to pay for the opportunity to sniff at public school students. Definitely not.

No college would follow the AP outline for teaching these courses. Colleges can do much better and so can good high schools.

It’s funny that you have such a low opinion of AP courses and such a high opinion of college intro courses. It’s almost like you don’t know anything about either one.

I have a PhD and have taught many college courses. I find it funny that AP courses are considered anything more than just standard high school level preparation for college.

Students these days are so poorly prepared for college even with 5s on their AP tests. The AP system is a failure.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

So…you think a school like Harvard Westlake or Andover or STA or NCS are offering “lowest level” curriculum?

Andover does not offer AP courses. You appear to have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, AP courses are the lowest level curriculum which is why it is available at every public school including below average and low achieving ones.

One minute APs are the lowest of the low, the next minute APs ask too much and the teachers need the freedom to slow down and skip topics. But it’s definitely not a marketing move to extract money from foolish, snobby parents who are willing to pay for the opportunity to sniff at public school students. Definitely not.

No college would follow the AP outline for teaching these courses. Colleges can do much better and so can good high schools.

It’s funny that you have such a low opinion of AP courses and such a high opinion of college intro courses. It’s almost like you don’t know anything about either one.

I have a PhD and have taught many college courses. I find it funny that AP courses are considered anything more than just standard high school level preparation for college.

Students these days are so poorly prepared for college even with 5s on their AP tests. The AP system is a failure.

So you know as a professor what your students’ AP scores were back in high school, especially for a class you aren’t even teaching since they likely already got credit for it if they got a 5?

How fun it is to make things up on the internet.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

So…you think a school like Harvard Westlake or Andover or STA or NCS are offering “lowest level” curriculum?

Andover does not offer AP courses. You appear to have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, AP courses are the lowest level curriculum which is why it is available at every public school including below average and low achieving ones.

One minute APs are the lowest of the low, the next minute APs ask too much and the teachers need the freedom to slow down and skip topics. But it’s definitely not a marketing move to extract money from foolish, snobby parents who are willing to pay for the opportunity to sniff at public school students. Definitely not.

No college would follow the AP outline for teaching these courses. Colleges can do much better and so can good high schools.

It’s funny that you have such a low opinion of AP courses and such a high opinion of college intro courses. It’s almost like you don’t know anything about either one.

I have a PhD and have taught many college courses. I find it funny that AP courses are considered anything more than just standard high school level preparation for college.

Students these days are so poorly prepared for college even with 5s on their AP tests. The AP system is a failure.

So you know as a professor what your students’ AP scores were back in high school, especially for a class you aren’t even teaching since they likely already got credit for it if they got a 5?

How fun it is to make things up on the internet.

Students with a score of 5 are eligible for a separate class beyond the standard one. It is intended to be more advanced but the students just cannot handle it. A score of 5 does not exempt them from anything in our department.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools eliminated APs?

Sidwell, GDS, Potomac, Holton, and Landon. Also a bunch of boarding schools in New England.

13 pages about 5 DMV schools that dropped APs and the 8 colleges that don’t give credit for them. Got it.

No these are just examples, it is much more widespread.

It’s not…and it’s odd why people are so invested that it is.

Again, 90% of all private schools (it’s probably more) still offer AP classes and AP tests (including schools like Andover and other boarding schools in certain subjects). 99% offer AP tests even if they don’t technically have AP classes.

Because these people have no idea about AP classes one way or the other but they’ve fully bought their school’s line about why the school got rid of them.

We are intimately familiar with the AP program and are glad to have better options. It is pretty much the lowest level curriculum you can find.

So…you think a school like Harvard Westlake or Andover or STA or NCS are offering “lowest level” curriculum?

Andover does not offer AP courses. You appear to have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, AP courses are the lowest level curriculum which is why it is available at every public school including below average and low achieving ones.

One minute APs are the lowest of the low, the next minute APs ask too much and the teachers need the freedom to slow down and skip topics. But it’s definitely not a marketing move to extract money from foolish, snobby parents who are willing to pay for the opportunity to sniff at public school students. Definitely not.

No college would follow the AP outline for teaching these courses. Colleges can do much better and so can good high schools.

It’s funny that you have such a low opinion of AP courses and such a high opinion of college intro courses. It’s almost like you don’t know anything about either one.

I have a PhD and have taught many college courses. I find it funny that AP courses are considered anything more than just standard high school level preparation for college.

Students these days are so poorly prepared for college even with 5s on their AP tests. The AP system is a failure.

So you know as a professor what your students’ AP scores were back in high school, especially for a class you aren’t even teaching since they likely already got credit for it if they got a 5?

How fun it is to make things up on the internet.

Students with a score of 5 are eligible for a separate class beyond the standard one. It is intended to be more advanced but the students just cannot handle it. A score of 5 does not exempt them from anything in our department.

And at Harvard a 5 exempts kids from many intro classes. Which is also the case at most universities. Because most college intro classes are not some deeply rigorous endeavor.