FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:So what is the solution that those who are opposed to this redistricting plan (which allegedly hasn't been formulated yet) seeking?

Is it to:
A.) Not do any redistricting, and allow our overcrowded schools to stay overcrowded, while underutilizing schools elsewhere?
B.) Only do redistricting within existing pyramids (which can only partially address the problem)?
C.) Accept that redistricting needs to be done, but rally the people in your neighborhood to scream the loudest so that it isn't done to your kids?
D.) Is there another proposed outcome I'm missing?


Yep. Redistrict as needed to address capacity issues like they have been doing (albeit poorly) for the last forty years. Their first consultant's finding, which they have ignored, is that stability is one of the most important issues for kids, and is the issue parents care about most. There is absolutely no need or appetite for a start from scratch boundary review, especially one tainted by the overwhleming evidence that the school board's primary driver is socioeconomic rebalancing/One Fairfax and not capacity and utilizaton optimization.


Where can I find the results of this first study? When was it done? I'd like to see the information.


https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/C9L3KJ073EA6/$file/MGT%20Boundary%20Policy%20Presentation.pdf

Of particular note:

Page 27: #1 reason respondents picked their current residence was to have kids attend a particular base schoool

Page 33: Highest priority to address overcrowding should be the construction of addition or additional facilities on school grounds

Page 34: Highest priority to address under-enrolled schools should be program modifications rather than boundary changes

Page 36: When boundary changes are being made, "balance" to reflect county-wide demographics and elminating attendance islands are low priorities

Page 37: Highest priority for implementation of boundary changes is grandfathering of students within existing pyramid


The problem with the Page 33 priority is that it leads to situations like the expansion of West Potomac when there is space available right next door at Mt. Vernon. Terrible stewardship of taxpayer dollars. That is why you can't always build. Or take West Springfield
- if it continues to grow do you add to it or use the space available next door at Lewis? I know what the WS people will say.

In a county of 25 pyramids, you can't let individual pyramids decide how to use facilities.


WSHS classrooms are not at capacity.

The classes are fewer than 30 students.

The school is not overcrowded.


There are no trailers.

The halls are not packed.

The cafeteria has capacity. They only have 3 lunch shifts.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We are a federal government family. The White House announced today a mandate for more reduction in force plans. We are terrified of what’s to come. This area is going to lose so many in, and supporting, this workforce - can FCPS pause so we can deal with one hurricane at a time?


People asked the School Board to pause the Langley/McLean boundary study, which took place during Covid when FCPS had lost students and was so unsure about future enrollments that it didn't even include five-year projections in the CIP that came out that year. We told them - correctly - that they'd get it wrong and surely either move too many or too few students.

Elaine Tholen and her colleagues refused. They had started something and so they just wanted to finish it. I wouldn't hold out much hope that FCPS will pause this time, either, even though they should.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Grandfathering only seniors is bullsh*t. All sophomores, juniors and seniors deserve to be grandfathered. As well as rising 8th graders and 6th graders. Hell no one deserves to be yanked out of their schools.


Disagree. It's unfortunate but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that makes sense. There can't be accommodations for grade levels, siblings, etc. It'll hurt in the moment, but rip the band-aid off.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So what is the solution that those who are opposed to this redistricting plan (which allegedly hasn't been formulated yet) seeking?

Is it to:
A.) Not do any redistricting, and allow our overcrowded schools to stay overcrowded, while underutilizing schools elsewhere?
B.) Only do redistricting within existing pyramids (which can only partially address the problem)?
C.) Accept that redistricting needs to be done, but rally the people in your neighborhood to scream the loudest so that it isn't done to your kids?
D.) Is there another proposed outcome I'm missing?


Yep. Redistrict as needed to address capacity issues like they have been doing (albeit poorly) for the last forty years. Their first consultant's finding, which they have ignored, is that stability is one of the most important issues for kids, and is the issue parents care about most. There is absolutely no need or appetite for a start from scratch boundary review, especially one tainted by the overwhleming evidence that the school board's primary driver is socioeconomic rebalancing/One Fairfax and not capacity and utilizaton optimization.


Where can I find the results of this first study? When was it done? I'd like to see the information.


https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/C9L3KJ073EA6/$file/MGT%20Boundary%20Policy%20Presentation.pdf

Of particular note:

Page 27: #1 reason respondents picked their current residence was to have kids attend a particular base schoool

Page 33: Highest priority to address overcrowding should be the construction of addition or additional facilities on school grounds

Page 34: Highest priority to address under-enrolled schools should be program modifications rather than boundary changes

Page 36: When boundary changes are being made, "balance" to reflect county-wide demographics and elminating attendance islands are low priorities

Page 37: Highest priority for implementation of boundary changes is grandfathering of students within existing pyramid


The problem with the Page 33 priority is that it leads to situations like the expansion of West Potomac when there is space available right next door at Mt. Vernon. Terrible stewardship of taxpayer dollars. That is why you can't always build. Or take West Springfield
- if it continues to grow do you add to it or use the space available next door at Lewis? I know what the WS people will say.

In a county of 25 pyramids, you can't let individual pyramids decide how to use facilities.


WSHS classrooms are not at capacity.

The classes are fewer than 30 students.

The school is not overcrowded.


Design Capacity says otherwise. Or the former facilities guy (WS grad) had even more space added than he claimed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So what is the solution that those who are opposed to this redistricting plan (which allegedly hasn't been formulated yet) seeking?

Is it to:
A.) Not do any redistricting, and allow our overcrowded schools to stay overcrowded, while underutilizing schools elsewhere?
B.) Only do redistricting within existing pyramids (which can only partially address the problem)?
C.) Accept that redistricting needs to be done, but rally the people in your neighborhood to scream the loudest so that it isn't done to your kids?
D.) Is there another proposed outcome I'm missing?


Yep. Redistrict as needed to address capacity issues like they have been doing (albeit poorly) for the last forty years. Their first consultant's finding, which they have ignored, is that stability is one of the most important issues for kids, and is the issue parents care about most. There is absolutely no need or appetite for a start from scratch boundary review, especially one tainted by the overwhleming evidence that the school board's primary driver is socioeconomic rebalancing/One Fairfax and not capacity and utilizaton optimization.


Where can I find the results of this first study? When was it done? I'd like to see the information.


https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/C9L3KJ073EA6/$file/MGT%20Boundary%20Policy%20Presentation.pdf

Of particular note:

Page 27: #1 reason respondents picked their current residence was to have kids attend a particular base schoool

Page 33: Highest priority to address overcrowding should be the construction of addition or additional facilities on school grounds

Page 34: Highest priority to address under-enrolled schools should be program modifications rather than boundary changes

Page 36: When boundary changes are being made, "balance" to reflect county-wide demographics and elminating attendance islands are low priorities

Page 37: Highest priority for implementation of boundary changes is grandfathering of students within existing pyramid


The problem with the Page 33 priority is that it leads to situations like the expansion of West Potomac when there is space available right next door at Mt. Vernon. Terrible stewardship of taxpayer dollars. That is why you can't always build. Or take West Springfield
- if it continues to grow do you add to it or use the space available next door at Lewis? I know what the WS people will say.

In a county of 25 pyramids, you can't let individual pyramids decide how to use facilities.


WSHS classrooms are not at capacity.

The classes are fewer than 30 students.

The school is not overcrowded.




Design Capacity says otherwise. Or the former facilities guy (WS grad) had even more space added than he claimed.


I've never seen so many capacity changes. Funny how that works.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So what is the solution that those who are opposed to this redistricting plan (which allegedly hasn't been formulated yet) seeking?

Is it to:
A.) Not do any redistricting, and allow our overcrowded schools to stay overcrowded, while underutilizing schools elsewhere?
B.) Only do redistricting within existing pyramids (which can only partially address the problem)?
C.) Accept that redistricting needs to be done, but rally the people in your neighborhood to scream the loudest so that it isn't done to your kids?
D.) Is there another proposed outcome I'm missing?


Yep. Redistrict as needed to address capacity issues like they have been doing (albeit poorly) for the last forty years. Their first consultant's finding, which they have ignored, is that stability is one of the most important issues for kids, and is the issue parents care about most. There is absolutely no need or appetite for a start from scratch boundary review, especially one tainted by the overwhleming evidence that the school board's primary driver is socioeconomic rebalancing/One Fairfax and not capacity and utilizaton optimization.


Where can I find the results of this first study? When was it done? I'd like to see the information.


https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/C9L3KJ073EA6/$file/MGT%20Boundary%20Policy%20Presentation.pdf

Of particular note:

Page 27: #1 reason respondents picked their current residence was to have kids attend a particular base schoool

Page 33: Highest priority to address overcrowding should be the construction of addition or additional facilities on school grounds

Page 34: Highest priority to address under-enrolled schools should be program modifications rather than boundary changes

Page 36: When boundary changes are being made, "balance" to reflect county-wide demographics and elminating attendance islands are low priorities

Page 37: Highest priority for implementation of boundary changes is grandfathering of students within existing pyramid


The problem with the Page 33 priority is that it leads to situations like the expansion of West Potomac when there is space available right next door at Mt. Vernon. Terrible stewardship of taxpayer dollars. That is why you can't always build. Or take West Springfield
- if it continues to grow do you add to it or use the space available next door at Lewis? I know what the WS people will say.

In a county of 25 pyramids, you can't let individual pyramids decide how to use facilities.


WSHS classrooms are not at capacity.

The classes are fewer than 30 students.

The school is not overcrowded.




Design Capacity says otherwise. Or the former facilities guy (WS grad) had even more space added than he claimed.


I've never seen so many capacity changes. Funny how that works.


DP. It’s usually the program capacity that gets changed (and is the benchmark for assessing overcrowding). Are they changing the design capacities as well?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Grandfathering only seniors is bullsh*t. All sophomores, juniors and seniors deserve to be grandfathered. As well as rising 8th graders and 6th graders. Hell no one deserves to be yanked out of their schools.


Disagree. It's unfortunate but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that makes sense. There can't be accommodations for grade levels, siblings, etc. It'll hurt in the moment, but rip the band-aid off.


Junior year is a critical year for college bound students. Moving them between 10th and 11th grade is unconscionable. There is a risk for academics to suffer, the loss of relationships with teachers and guidance counsellors as well as likely loss of leadership roles in clubs and sports due to being new. Not to mention not being able to finish study of a foreign language started in middle school and the IB vs AP issues. The class and of ‘28 is going to hurt significantly if grandfathering is not expanded.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Grandfathering only seniors is bullsh*t. All sophomores, juniors and seniors deserve to be grandfathered. As well as rising 8th graders and 6th graders. Hell no one deserves to be yanked out of their schools.


Disagree. It's unfortunate but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that makes sense. There can't be accommodations for grade levels, siblings, etc. It'll hurt in the moment, but rip the band-aid off.


School board’s thinking right here. F your kids. F their futures. Rip your kids out of their schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Grandfathering only seniors is bullsh*t. All sophomores, juniors and seniors deserve to be grandfathered. As well as rising 8th graders and 6th graders. Hell no one deserves to be yanked out of their schools.


Disagree. It's unfortunate but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that makes sense. There can't be accommodations for grade levels, siblings, etc. It'll hurt in the moment, but rip the band-aid off.


But the hurt only hurts the current teenagers. Parents and the decision makers aren’t really going to “hurt.” So you are basically cold-heartedly saying it is fine to both social, mentally and academically hurt a bunch of teenagers. That children have worse outcomes when switching schools for at least a year is proven in multiple studies about school change. And you think that is cool.

First, do no harm.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So what is the solution that those who are opposed to this redistricting plan (which allegedly hasn't been formulated yet) seeking?

Is it to:
A.) Not do any redistricting, and allow our overcrowded schools to stay overcrowded, while underutilizing schools elsewhere?
B.) Only do redistricting within existing pyramids (which can only partially address the problem)?
C.) Accept that redistricting needs to be done, but rally the people in your neighborhood to scream the loudest so that it isn't done to your kids?
D.) Is there another proposed outcome I'm missing?


Yep. Redistrict as needed to address capacity issues like they have been doing (albeit poorly) for the last forty years. Their first consultant's finding, which they have ignored, is that stability is one of the most important issues for kids, and is the issue parents care about most. There is absolutely no need or appetite for a start from scratch boundary review, especially one tainted by the overwhleming evidence that the school board's primary driver is socioeconomic rebalancing/One Fairfax and not capacity and utilizaton optimization.


Where can I find the results of this first study? When was it done? I'd like to see the information.


https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/C9L3KJ073EA6/$file/MGT%20Boundary%20Policy%20Presentation.pdf

Of particular note:

Page 27: #1 reason respondents picked their current residence was to have kids attend a particular base schoool

Page 33: Highest priority to address overcrowding should be the construction of addition or additional facilities on school grounds

Page 34: Highest priority to address under-enrolled schools should be program modifications rather than boundary changes

Page 36: When boundary changes are being made, "balance" to reflect county-wide demographics and elminating attendance islands are low priorities

Page 37: Highest priority for implementation of boundary changes is grandfathering of students within existing pyramid


The problem with the Page 33 priority is that it leads to situations like the expansion of West Potomac when there is space available right next door at Mt. Vernon. Terrible stewardship of taxpayer dollars. That is why you can't always build. Or take West Springfield
- if it continues to grow do you add to it or use the space available next door at Lewis? I know what the WS people will say.

In a county of 25 pyramids, you can't let individual pyramids decide how to use facilities.


WSHS classrooms are not at capacity.

The classes are fewer than 30 students.

The school is not overcrowded.


Design Capacity says otherwise. Or the former facilities guy (WS grad) had even more space added than he claimed.


Go visit the school or talk to students there.

WSHS doesn't even have or need a single trailer. They don't need them and won't need them, as every replacing class coming up from Irving and the elementary schools is smaller than the graduating class they are replacing.

Once WSHS gets into requiring trailers, you can maybe talk about overcrowding.

But right now there are several open spaces in every class, there is empty classroom space to accomodate more students and more classes without trailers, even if it means the teachers move between rooms during the planning periods of other teachers.

The school is not over crowded, has classroom space to grow if needed, does not have or need trailers, is performing very successfully as consistently ranking as one of the top ten high schools in the state, and does not need to be rezoned.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Grandfathering only seniors is bullsh*t. All sophomores, juniors and seniors deserve to be grandfathered. As well as rising 8th graders and 6th graders. Hell no one deserves to be yanked out of their schools.


Disagree. It's unfortunate but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that makes sense. There can't be accommodations for grade levels, siblings, etc. It'll hurt in the moment, but rip the band-aid off.


But the hurt only hurts the current teenagers. Parents and the decision makers aren’t really going to “hurt.” So you are basically cold-heartedly saying it is fine to both social, mentally and academically hurt a bunch of teenagers. That children have worse outcomes when switching schools for at least a year is proven in multiple studies about school change. And you think that is cool.

First, do no harm.


I sadly feel like the school board and some posters on this board see this as acceptable collateral damage. I have a current 9th grader. I am absolutely sick over this. My student is on a sports team they love and are excelling on and in an honor society for language they are truly passionate about. (and are considering going to college in a country that speaks that language) that is not offered at any of the schools they'd likely be moved to. We've moved around as a military family and planned this final move to provide stability during high school, and that is likely going to be ripped away if we aren't able to find a house to move to closer in bounds (we won't be alone in that effort.)

The school board would win a lot more good will if they would grandfather and phase. If these boundary changes MUST truly be done (and there are some valid questions about that), this first boundary review will be the major one to reset the boundaries and the subsequent ones should be smaller, in both cases, grandfathering and phasing would achieve the balancing they desire, just a bit more slowly, and it would show that they have at least some concern for the kids who are being moved. There hasn't been a major boundary review/reset in 40 years. Why does this one have to abrupt and instantaneous? So far, most of the school board has shown nothing but callousness and indifference, which is appalling for people elected and charged with the well-being of students.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Grandfathering only seniors is bullsh*t. All sophomores, juniors and seniors deserve to be grandfathered. As well as rising 8th graders and 6th graders. Hell no one deserves to be yanked out of their schools.


Disagree. It's unfortunate but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that makes sense. There can't be accommodations for grade levels, siblings, etc. It'll hurt in the moment, but rip the band-aid off.


Junior year is a critical year for college bound students. Moving them between 10th and 11th grade is unconscionable. There is a risk for academics to suffer, the loss of relationships with teachers and guidance counsellors as well as likely loss of leadership roles in clubs and sports due to being new. Not to mention not being able to finish study of a foreign language started in middle school and the IB vs AP issues. The class and of ‘28 is going to hurt significantly if grandfathering is not expanded.


My family moved between 11th and 12th. I lost access to the language I had studied and the sport that I played, due to them not being offered. I overcame that obstacle and was offered admission to multiple T25 schools. I pivoted and joined new organizations and excelled.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Grandfathering only seniors is bullsh*t. All sophomores, juniors and seniors deserve to be grandfathered. As well as rising 8th graders and 6th graders. Hell no one deserves to be yanked out of their schools.


Disagree. It's unfortunate but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that makes sense. There can't be accommodations for grade levels, siblings, etc. It'll hurt in the moment, but rip the band-aid off.


Junior year is a critical year for college bound students. Moving them between 10th and 11th grade is unconscionable. There is a risk for academics to suffer, the loss of relationships with teachers and guidance counsellors as well as likely loss of leadership roles in clubs and sports due to being new. Not to mention not being able to finish study of a foreign language started in middle school and the IB vs AP issues. The class and of ‘28 is going to hurt significantly if grandfathering is not expanded.


My family moved between 11th and 12th. I lost access to the language I had studied and the sport that I played, due to them not being offered. I overcame that obstacle and was offered admission to multiple T25 schools. I pivoted and joined new organizations and excelled.


Good for you! However, it doesn't diminish the fact that this is probably the worst possible year to move students. Also, your family's move was tlikely heir choice to some degree. Even if it was a military move, your family likely targeted neighborhoods and schools. A forced redistricting is not comparable.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are a federal government family. The White House announced today a mandate for more reduction in force plans. We are terrified of what’s to come. This area is going to lose so many in, and supporting, this workforce - can FCPS pause so we can deal with one hurricane at a time?


People asked the School Board to pause the Langley/McLean boundary study, which took place during Covid when FCPS had lost students and was so unsure about future enrollments that it didn't even include five-year projections in the CIP that came out that year. We told them - correctly - that they'd get it wrong and surely either move too many or too few students.

Elaine Tholen and her colleagues refused. They had started something and so they just wanted to finish it. I wouldn't hold out much hope that FCPS will pause this time, either, even though they should.


+1
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Grandfathering only seniors is bullsh*t. All sophomores, juniors and seniors deserve to be grandfathered. As well as rising 8th graders and 6th graders. Hell no one deserves to be yanked out of their schools.


Disagree. It's unfortunate but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that makes sense. There can't be accommodations for grade levels, siblings, etc. It'll hurt in the moment, but rip the band-aid off.


Junior year is a critical year for college bound students. Moving them between 10th and 11th grade is unconscionable. There is a risk for academics to suffer, the loss of relationships with teachers and guidance counsellors as well as likely loss of leadership roles in clubs and sports due to being new. Not to mention not being able to finish study of a foreign language started in middle school and the IB vs AP issues. The class and of ‘28 is going to hurt significantly if grandfathering is not expanded.


My family moved between 11th and 12th. I lost access to the language I had studied and the sport that I played, due to them not being offered. I overcame that obstacle and was offered admission to multiple T25 schools. I pivoted and joined new organizations and excelled.


Dumb argument by example. With your logic skills I’m guessing you declined all the college offers that you received.
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